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Inconsistency article/image

I'd very much like to adjust the colors according to the Wikipedia article.

Secondly, please compare the chakra in the flag to this one which is also shown in the English Wikipedia article. Shouln't they be the same? Does anyone know whether the exact shape of the chakra is prescribed by law? Should we rather use this one used on the German and Portuguese Wikipedia articles? --Pumbaa 05:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about the exact size. :( Nichalp 17:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Size of the chakra wheel

This site tells that in practice the chakra wheel on the flag mostly shows a significantly larger diameter than prescribed by law (98% vs 75% of the white stripe). Can anyone authenticate this? If it's true, which version of the flag should we show here? --Pumbaa 05:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's 75%. :) I've featured the w:Flag of India article. :) Nichalp 17:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In response, this is not true and the fact that the size of the wheel was not very clearly defined when the prime minister said in 1947, but said the size of the wheel was almost equal to the white bar, I interpreted that the size of the wheel was smaller than the white bar.The size of the wheel by estimation, the size of the flag number 1-6 according to BIS is the same, if the white stripe is 20 units wide, the size of the wheel is 18.5 units, this is an approximation, there may be some cutting and rounding the decimal point because it is Principles of production of sections in size No. 7B The size of the wheel per width of the white band is 18 units per 20 units, while the size of the number 8-9 is the size of the wheel.About 75% As you said, I may be mistaken in these 2 sizes, I need to find out and will reply again. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2403:6200:8840:B050:ACDE:E88C:14D:C202 (talk) 07:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The flag code of India

This could be a useful resource on the flag design.

The flag code[1] is given at Ministry of Home affairs site[2] Pratheepps 13:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also see this

[3] looks like an exclusive 'indian flag site'!!! Pratheepps 14:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Color Code of Indian Flag is Wrong

As per Flag shown in Prime Minister Office India Website and other internet images. flag color code is wrong

Do you have a reference to exactly what color codes should be used? Since this is an SVG, given corrected info, the fixes can be applied by opening in text editor & updating the relevant code. TSamuel (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have Extracted the Flag from Prime Minister of India Office Website, Enhanced and Uploaded it in SVG Format. File:Flag India.svg Swapnil1101 (talk) 11:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Update

The colour scheme used in this protected file is wrong. There is a visible difference especially in the saffron used when compared to the flag used in ISRO's rocket payload fairings (used as a referance since it is a Government of India agency)

I requested an update. Hope the administrators consider. Editor8220 (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request Unprotection

Hi administrator @Fitindia: ,

Color Code of Indian Flag is Wrong. We need to update it. But page is protected. Kindly decrease the protect level the page for updation. ChiK (talk) 14:50, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Size of the Ashoka Chakra

@ChiK, @Undertiago: The table in IS1 indeed says 185. The construction sheet implies 180. Interestingly W:Flag_of_India#Specifications contains both. My guess is that the construction sheet is wrong or simply rounded down from 18.5 to 18, but I'm not a vexillologist. TilmannR (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Swapnil1101: Hi. The specification in the Indian Standard implies a radius ratio of 9.25, which apparently has been rounded down to 9 in various construction sheets. TilmannR (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The 1968 specification included 7 different flag sizes. It was updated in 1979 to include 9 different flag sizes. All specified dimensions are in millimeters. Looking at the 1979 list, the four largest flags (sizes 1-4) are all scaled versions of each other. The small flags (sizes 5-9) are not simply scaled versions of the large flags. At a quick glance, it appears that some of the numbers on the smaller flag sizes were rounded to the nearest half centimeter. Some of us find this annoying; India is not the only country to do it. Flags on Wikimedia are generally measured in fake pixels that are infinitely scalable, thus millimeter sizing does not apply.
File:Flag of India (Construction Sheet).svg, appears to based off of flag size #7 which is a 450mm × 300mm flag with the Ashoka Chakra measuring 90mm in diameter.
If I had done the construction sheet, I would probably have based it off one of the larger sizes (1-4). MapGrid (talk) 02:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid construction sheets

@User:Swapnil1101: I believe that there are errors in some of your construction sheets (and derivative files) for the Flag of India. Start with these files:

The ratio of the the Ashoka Chakra radius to the hoist is not 9:60 (3:20). I believe you got this ratio from Vexilla Mundi which is not an authoritative source. Looking through the list of nine flags in the government specification; there is only one flag size with that ratio; it is a 450×300mm size that was added in the 1979 amendment with the following notes:

This amendment is being issued to include two additional sizes of flags. The flags of 450×300mm size are intended for use in aircrafts on VVIP flights and 150×100mm size as table flags.

— IS:1-168 amendment no 2 February 1979

I do not think that it is appropriate to for Wikimedia/Wikipedia to present a special aircraft flag as the official version of the Flag of India. Now lets look at your Ashoka Chakra file:

I see you put a lot of work into this file, so I hate to complain, but I do not think the drawing is accurate. Here are some of the issues I have with it:

  • The ratio of the inner and outer diameters on the rim is shown as being 20:23. I don't know where you got this from but it does not match the specs for any of the nine official flag sizes.
  • You have embedded the outer points on the spokes into the rim. I don't deny that this may improve the look of the flag but it does not match the government specification drawing and is therefore not appropriate.
  • You have shown the shorter edges on the spokes converge on a circle that has half the diameter of the hub. In doing so you have taken an approximation and presented it as a fact. By my calculations the ratio is about 0.50147167 which does not equal 0.5.
  • You appear to have shown the shorter edges on the spokes converge inside the hub at an angle of 5+5=10°. By my calculations the angle is supposed to be roughly 14.34734714°.

I have uploaded a new construction sheet which I believe to be accurate: File:Flag of India (construction sheet) (2-3).svg. I did not overwrite any of your construction sheet files at this time because I want to give you and/or others time to comment. MapGrid (talk) 06:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Swapnil1101: Sorry I misinterpreted the 10° label on your drawing last night because I was tired. At closer inspection you are showing the angle between two lines that extend from the center of the Ashoka Chakra to the widest part of a spoke. You show it as being 5+5=10°. This angle should be approximately 10.75875798°. If you create a flag using 10°, the spokes end up being narrower than what is defined in the government specifications. MapGrid (talk) 17:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Either you are stupid or dumb, why any normal person or authority whose job is to create Standard will use 14.34734714° instead of 15°, and 10.75875798° instead of 10°. i appreciate your work contributed on wikipedia by you, but this is plane stupidity. I request you to please check my svg drawing agian.Swapnil1101 (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Colours

@Undertiago: , I am responding to the comments you included with your File:Flag of India.svg upload today. When I uploaded a new copy of File:Flag of India.svg on Feb 9, 2023, I admit I was focusing on geometry and not colours. I just used the colours that were in the previous version. Usually I stay clear of discussions on flag colours. Today I made an exception and had a look at the history. It looks something like this:

  • Dec 22,2022: User:Swapnil1101 uploaded a flag with #ff671f(orange), #046a38(green), and #06038d(blue). This was a large change from pale orange to dark orange. No proper explanation was provided at the time.
  • Jan 05,2022: you (User:Undertiago) uploaded a flag with #f15b2a(orange), #026937(green), and #06038d(blue). You claimed the colours came from www.pmindia.gov.in.
  • Jan 10,2023: User:Swapnil1101 claimed on this very talk page that his colours had also come from the same pmindia webpage.
  • Feb 17,2022 (today): you (User:Undertiago) uploaded a flag with #f15b25(orange), #006934(green), and #2c2c6f(blue). The shade of blue is more purple than what it was on your Jan 5 flag. I would not call it "navy" which I believe is what it is supposed to be.

Now if I look at the pmindia webpage I see a tiny flag that is embedded in a file with URL: www.pmindia.gov.in/wp-content/themes/pmindia2015/images/logo.png. Am I missing something? Is there supposed to be a larger flag somewhere on that website? Anyway I imported the file (logo.png) into Inkscape today for the purpose of examining colours. I sampled over as large an area as possible without going near the edges. This is what I see:

  • blue: #2c2b6f # this is measured off of a single pixel and is a totally unreliable measurement that results in the same purple shade of blue that you got.
  • orange: #f15b2b
  • green: #036a38

All I can say is that I agree that your colours are much closer to what is in the logo.png file than the colours used by Swapnil1101, but measuring a single pixel of blue is somewhat bogus. Now I have to ask: Why are we straying so far from the colours shown at https://knowindia.india.gov.in/national-identity-elements/national-flag.php. Is India officially or unofficially switching to darker colours because the PM does not like the old ones? Is this something that made the news like it did when Macron starting using a darker shade of blue on the French flag? The local flag file at w:Flag_of_India is still light orange. Ultimately it would be nice if it matched the one we have here on Wikimedia Commons. Whether they are dark or light does not matter much to me as long as they are the same.MapGrid (talk) 00:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MapGrid: I actually said that I was appreciating the work that everyone did, but thanks for speaking to me. When I saw that the file of the flag of India changed it's colors on 22 December 2022, I started investigating about the "government regulation" said by SpinnerLaserzthe2nd. I didn't found anything, the only thing I found is the logo at www.pmindia.gov.in which I found it thanks to a file named Flag_India.svg which is linked on Flag_of_India.svg. Firstly I really thought that the colors where changed like the flag of France, so I decided to upload the version with the colors of the Prime Minister of India website. After uploading, no one responded to me about the colors that the file was using. After a long time, when I uploaded the version that is now being used, I reinvestigate and curiosly I found out that the saffron of the file (orange color of the flag) was the same as it was in Vexilla Mundi, which it's not of the best vexilology website, the green wasn't equal but was really similar as the shown there (the shown on this file is 349 C and the shown on Vexilla Mundi is 348 C). I am not saying that the colors of the file where changed because of Vexilla Mundi, I just think it's suspicious.
I think we should contact Swapnil1101 to know where are this colors from, if he doesn't replies or he actually added the colors that seemed correct to him, then we can email the India Government and finally they could share us the official colors of the flag. Undertiago (talk) 06:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Undertiago, The Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) has a three year old blog article about the flag at: bis.gov.in. I just left a comment with some embedded questions. If the comment is approved by a moderator it will become visible to all. Basically I asked if the BIS would ever publish RGB colour codes for the flag of India. I also pointed out the colour discrepancy between pmindia and knowindia. Being that the article was three years I don't have much confidence that I will get a response, but I thought it was worth a try. Emailing the government (as you suggested) is certainly still an option if this goes nowhere. To be honest, I don't believe that the BIS currently has any standard RGB values because if it did, it would surely have published them by now. However if anybody in the government is going to come up with an official set of RGB values in the future, I would assume the BIS would want to be involved. MapGrid (talk) 05:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Based on examination of higher-resolution physical government flags, User:Swapnil1101's colors are more accurate.
Regarding the English Wikipedia: I think we should not change the English Wikipedia file until the color debate is solved.
Regarding the Commons file: I would suggest changing the current blue to navy blue (measurement from a single pixel in a low-resolution image is unreliable) 98.213.225.105 01:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, can you share me the government flag images you examinated please, because most of them have the colors that the actual file uses. The following image is from an indian manufacturer (https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2022/08/bengeri-karnataka-khadi-flags-tricolour-16603379364x3.png) you will see that the colors used for the flags are very similar in comparation with the ones that this file uses. Also, its been exactly two weeks since MapGrid sent a message to the BIS, so I will be emailing the indian government for the color specifications. Undertiago (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And what are the official color specifications that you received? 98.213.225.105 23:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We can see if User:Undertiago is able to get anything from the government. In the meantime, the comments I left on the blog at bis.gov.in did not get approved by a moderator. I would not be surprised if the moderator is a bot that simply deletes all new comments; all the blogs on that site have a box for new comments but none of the blogs have any comments displayed. MapGrid (talk) 04:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for taking this so long, but I'm having some trouble contacting the government, because although I have the letter, I'm not sure to what email should I send it to, as I've never done this before. Undertiago (talk) 01:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Undertiago, I suspect that the Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) is the only body with the authority to define a colour for the flag. However, any changes or additions to the Flag Code might need to be approved by parliament before they could be deemed as official. BIS has an e-mail address at [4]. I doubt you will get the response you are looking for, but it certainly does not hurt to try! MapGrid (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Undertiago Have you received an email yet? 98.213.225.105 14:38, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately not, I sent the email 5 days ago and I think they are ignoring me because it doesn't take much time for them to search that information. Undertiago (talk) 15:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
they will not reply you, only reply you can get from manufacturer that is Khadi India, Karnataka, and they are going to tell you its 165C, 349C. i asked them on phone call Hexadecimal value but they replied with Pantone. this is the first time i got to know about pantone coloring system. I spent ₹300 filing numerous RTI and waited for 6 months to receive reply form Home Ministry, GoI and BIS. home ministry will reply that they forwarded your query to BIS and BIS will never reply you. Swapnil1101 (talk) 14:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The blue should be navy blue

As per legal description. 98.213.225.105 12:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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