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== [[WP:BLP]] violations and editing with sources ==
Hi {{ping|Death Editor 2}}, I noticed that you are adding death information to biographies on here without adding reliable sources. Simply copying url links into the summary box of your edit is not sufficient, the page itself must be referenced with reliable sources (read [[WP:RS]] if unsure) in all instances of displaying death information for subjects (i.e. infobox, lede, main body OR categories at the foot of the page). To not do this, and edit as you have done [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alton_H._Maddox_Jr.&oldid=1151577383 here] is a serious violation. Hope you understand and that you'll use sources in future. Thanks [[User:Jkaharper|Jkaharper]] ([[User talk:Jkaharper|talk]]) 09:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
== Introduction to contentious topics ==
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== May 2023 ==
[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to [[:Vichy France]]. Doing so violates Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view policy]] and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-npov2 --> [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 03:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
:But Vichy france was quite literally fascist, it was lead by a fascist, had fascists in government, and was a puppet state of nazi germany, a well known fascist state. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Vichy France]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[WP:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, it may be appropriate to [[WP:Requests for page protection|request temporary page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.''' <!-- Template:uw-ew --> [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 03:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
:Tell me why Vichy France isn't fascist, when it was lead by a fascist, had a fascist government, and was a puppet state of another fascist regime. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not add [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|unsourced]] or [[Wikipedia:No original research|original content]]{{#if:Weldon Olson|, as you did with <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weldon%20Olson&diff=1155177982 this edit]</span> to [[:Weldon Olson]]}}. Doing so violates Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]]. If you continue to do so, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia.<!-- Template:Huggle/warn-unsor-3 --><!-- Template:uw-unsourced3 --> [[User:I dream of horses|I dream of horses]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contribs/I dream of horses|(Contribs)]] [[User talk:I dream of horses|(Talk)]]</small></sup> 01:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:Than remove his death from 2023 deaths page. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 01:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
== Rashid died on May 18th of this year actually ==
The information you wrote of his death date is wrong [[Special:Contributions/2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D]] ([[User talk:2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|talk]]) 02:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you random BoN! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 02:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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== September 2023 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of [[Special:Contributions/Death Editor 2|your recent contributions]], such as the edit(s) you made to [[:Danny Masterson]], did not appear to be constructive and have been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]]. You can find information about these at our [[Help:Getting started|welcome page]] which also provides further information about [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia|contributing constructively to this encyclopedia]]. If you only meant to make test edits, please use [[User:Death Editor 2/sandbox|your sandbox]] for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on [[User_talk:Glman|my talk page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-disruptive1 --> [[User:Glman|glman]] ([[User talk:Glman|talk]]) 21:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
:He is literally in prison, he is a FORMER american actor. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 21:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
== Historical accuracy ==
I reverted your removal of the "Historical accuracy" section at [[Valkyrie (film)]]. Such sections are completely appropriate for historical films. See [[WP:FILMHIST]]. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 16:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
== Edit warring in the article [[Yaroslav Hunka]] ==
Please, cease your [[WP:WAR|edit war]] in the article about [[Yaroslav Hunka]]. Wikipedia rule [[WP:BLP]] specifically says that: ''"BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement"''.
By categorizing this article into "white supremacists" category, you are adding a very controversial statement, ungrounded in any secondary reliable source, which could harm a living person. This directly violates a number of Wikipedia rules. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:I want you to calmly and kindly explain to me why a member of the literal paramilitary branch of the NSDAP wasn't a white supremacist. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 20:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:: You are thinking too much. In Wikipedia, editors don't think much. We simply take reliable secondary sources which state something like "Mr. N is a Canadian white supremacist". Then we copy such statement to Wikipedia and we provide a reference. That's it.
:: If you don't have a source which says exactly this then such category is unwarranted. Especially because this made up claim is about a living person. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
::: Death Editor 2, you are being asked: don't think for yourself, and that's not even meant as irony! --[[Special:Contributions/87.170.197.110|87.170.197.110]] ([[User talk:87.170.197.110|talk]]) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
== Starship Flight Tests Article ==
Your edits to change the number of planned flight tests from 2 to 1 with a clear consensus against you constitutes vandalism. Please stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:You said and I quote "Sure. The NASA Commercial LEO Development page for SpaceX had the first payload Q1 2024 '''(the site was taken down later, or at least the bookmark I had made is now broken).'''" Can you see the problem? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::The consensus is against you (out of the 4 editors to comment, 3 were against you), so that changes nothing.
::You also have a large history of policy violation (this is the 6th warning you have received).
::So, consider this your last warning. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::"'''(Moving to the left) I don't see how flight 4 planned for Q1 2024 would imply flight 3 to happen in 2023. If the second flight is successful, it's even possible SpaceX does not launch S26 at all and goes directly to S28. A third flight in 2023 looks very unlikely now, but I don't mind either way for the graph.'''" Another quote from another editor who does not really care either way, so it does not seem like 3 people are against me, just you. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::1: When a consensus cannot be reached, the status quo is maintained. So even if there isn't a consensus, then your edits still constitute vandalism.
::::2: "With New Year's eve being more than 3 months away and the precedence of flights happening days after receipt of permit, I would say to keep the table as is for now. [[User:Lklundin|Lklundin]] ([[User talk:Lklundin|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)"
::::No one has taken your side here. So stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::New year's eve is less than three months away, and given your source has been taken down I am simply following the logical conclusion that only one more flight will happen in 2023, maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::That's called [[Wikipedia:No original research|Original Research]]. I recommend reading the attached policy. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have a source that hadn't been taken down? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Do you have a reliable source that directly states "there will only be two flights in 2023"?
::::::::I'd love to see one. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test.
:::::::::2. I don't, but I do have a source that says the next test flight might happen in 2024 that you removed for some reason. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I removed it because the listed date was NET. No Earlier Than. Adding on the 2024 note was pointless.
::::::::::And what even is the point of "1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test."? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Because one flight definitely happened in 2023, and the second flight in 2023 is highly unlikely maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Your sources didn't state what your saying. They stated that it might, not that it's likely or unlikely. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::anyways none of this matters, the third flight is made up with no sources what so ever. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That doesn't negate that you made several edits in violation of a consensus, then readded them after they were reverted. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::alright, I will ask for Consensus. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:Shifting left.
:You can't just ask for a consensus. A consensus is formed by an agreement between editors. Currently, that agreement is against you. So please, self-revert your edits. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::You possibly made up a source and that fact wasn't known to other editors at the time. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I just checked the source again and it's back online. It's right here:[https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/saa/domestic/38918_SpaceX_CCSC2_SAA-UA-23-38918_Baseline_signed.pdf].
:::It is out of date, though (it listed Q3 2023 for IFT-2). [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::If it's out of date, than it cannot be used. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::If one piece of the source is out of date, that does not invalidate the entire source.
:::::For example:
:::::In the [[SpaceX Super Heavy]] article, citation 41 is a tweet from Elon, stating [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1414284648641925124 "Final decision made earlier this week on booster engine count. Will be 33 at ~230 (half million lbs) sea-level thrust"]. However, the thrust per engine was later changed to 269 tons per engine. The source is still useful, as it states the final decision on the engine count of the booster. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::embarrassing that we are using Elon Musk as a source. Also it invalidates your entire point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::How does it invalidate the point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Because it obviously has been pushed back if the second flight is happening in 2023 Q4. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::It's a delay of roughly 1 month. And that's not really how SpaceX operates.
:::::::::B10 is receiving engines (so is S28), S29 has underwent cryogenic testing, and S26 is awaiting static fire testing. So a delay to IFT-2 doesn't mean a delay to IFT-3. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::The second launch isn't going this year to happen due to the wildlife agency not approving their launch. So the third launch is literally impossible. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::No...
:::::::::::As I said on August 25, "Permission to fly wasn't granted until 6 days before IFT-1 (and 3 days before the first attempt). Removing the graph because they don't have approval would make no sense whatsoever"
:::::::::::The FWS investigation could conclude this month, or next month. Just because the flight doesn't have the license doesn't mean it isn't planned.
:::::::::::But this is the wrong place to have this debate. It belongs [[Talk:SpaceX Starship flight tests#the FAA refuses to give SpaceX permission to fly again and as such there cannot be two scheduled flights for 2023|here]]. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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:All I did was remove the beheading part from it because I believe the evidence is too weak and the IDF too inconsistent for us to put it in the methods section. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
::Ok, but please use edit summaries. I disagree with you on the above, but disagreement is no problem. Removing content without an edit summary is almost always a problem. [[User:Jeppiz|Jeppiz]] ([[User talk:Jeppiz|talk]]) 17:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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== May 2023 ==
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:But Vichy france was quite literally fascist, it was lead by a fascist, had fascists in government, and was a puppet state of nazi germany, a well known fascist state. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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:Tell me why Vichy France isn't fascist, when it was lead by a fascist, had a fascist government, and was a puppet state of another fascist regime. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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:Than remove his death from 2023 deaths page. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 01:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
== Rashid died on May 18th of this year actually ==
The information you wrote of his death date is wrong [[Special:Contributions/2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D]] ([[User talk:2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|talk]]) 02:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you random BoN! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 02:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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:He is literally in prison, he is a FORMER american actor. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 21:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
== Historical accuracy ==
I reverted your removal of the "Historical accuracy" section at [[Valkyrie (film)]]. Such sections are completely appropriate for historical films. See [[WP:FILMHIST]]. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 16:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
== Edit warring in the article [[Yaroslav Hunka]] ==
Please, cease your [[WP:WAR|edit war]] in the article about [[Yaroslav Hunka]]. Wikipedia rule [[WP:BLP]] specifically says that: ''"BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement"''.
By categorizing this article into "white supremacists" category, you are adding a very controversial statement, ungrounded in any secondary reliable source, which could harm a living person. This directly violates a number of Wikipedia rules. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:I want you to calmly and kindly explain to me why a member of the literal paramilitary branch of the NSDAP wasn't a white supremacist. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 20:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:: You are thinking too much. In Wikipedia, editors don't think much. We simply take reliable secondary sources which state something like "Mr. N is a Canadian white supremacist". Then we copy such statement to Wikipedia and we provide a reference. That's it.
:: If you don't have a source which says exactly this then such category is unwarranted. Especially because this made up claim is about a living person. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
::: Death Editor 2, you are being asked: don't think for yourself, and that's not even meant as irony! --[[Special:Contributions/87.170.197.110|87.170.197.110]] ([[User talk:87.170.197.110|talk]]) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
== Starship Flight Tests Article ==
Your edits to change the number of planned flight tests from 2 to 1 with a clear consensus against you constitutes vandalism. Please stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:You said and I quote "Sure. The NASA Commercial LEO Development page for SpaceX had the first payload Q1 2024 '''(the site was taken down later, or at least the bookmark I had made is now broken).'''" Can you see the problem? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::The consensus is against you (out of the 4 editors to comment, 3 were against you), so that changes nothing.
::You also have a large history of policy violation (this is the 6th warning you have received).
::So, consider this your last warning. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::"'''(Moving to the left) I don't see how flight 4 planned for Q1 2024 would imply flight 3 to happen in 2023. If the second flight is successful, it's even possible SpaceX does not launch S26 at all and goes directly to S28. A third flight in 2023 looks very unlikely now, but I don't mind either way for the graph.'''" Another quote from another editor who does not really care either way, so it does not seem like 3 people are against me, just you. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::1: When a consensus cannot be reached, the status quo is maintained. So even if there isn't a consensus, then your edits still constitute vandalism.
::::2: "With New Year's eve being more than 3 months away and the precedence of flights happening days after receipt of permit, I would say to keep the table as is for now. [[User:Lklundin|Lklundin]] ([[User talk:Lklundin|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)"
::::No one has taken your side here. So stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::New year's eve is less than three months away, and given your source has been taken down I am simply following the logical conclusion that only one more flight will happen in 2023, maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::That's called [[Wikipedia:No original research|Original Research]]. I recommend reading the attached policy. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have a source that hadn't been taken down? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Do you have a reliable source that directly states "there will only be two flights in 2023"?
::::::::I'd love to see one. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test.
:::::::::2. I don't, but I do have a source that says the next test flight might happen in 2024 that you removed for some reason. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I removed it because the listed date was NET. No Earlier Than. Adding on the 2024 note was pointless.
::::::::::And what even is the point of "1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test."? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Because one flight definitely happened in 2023, and the second flight in 2023 is highly unlikely maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Your sources didn't state what your saying. They stated that it might, not that it's likely or unlikely. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::anyways none of this matters, the third flight is made up with no sources what so ever. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That doesn't negate that you made several edits in violation of a consensus, then readded them after they were reverted. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::alright, I will ask for Consensus. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:Shifting left.
:You can't just ask for a consensus. A consensus is formed by an agreement between editors. Currently, that agreement is against you. So please, self-revert your edits. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::You possibly made up a source and that fact wasn't known to other editors at the time. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I just checked the source again and it's back online. It's right here:[https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/saa/domestic/38918_SpaceX_CCSC2_SAA-UA-23-38918_Baseline_signed.pdf].
:::It is out of date, though (it listed Q3 2023 for IFT-2). [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::If it's out of date, than it cannot be used. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::If one piece of the source is out of date, that does not invalidate the entire source.
:::::For example:
:::::In the [[SpaceX Super Heavy]] article, citation 41 is a tweet from Elon, stating [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1414284648641925124 "Final decision made earlier this week on booster engine count. Will be 33 at ~230 (half million lbs) sea-level thrust"]. However, the thrust per engine was later changed to 269 tons per engine. The source is still useful, as it states the final decision on the engine count of the booster. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::embarrassing that we are using Elon Musk as a source. Also it invalidates your entire point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::How does it invalidate the point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Because it obviously has been pushed back if the second flight is happening in 2023 Q4. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::It's a delay of roughly 1 month. And that's not really how SpaceX operates.
:::::::::B10 is receiving engines (so is S28), S29 has underwent cryogenic testing, and S26 is awaiting static fire testing. So a delay to IFT-2 doesn't mean a delay to IFT-3. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::The second launch isn't going this year to happen due to the wildlife agency not approving their launch. So the third launch is literally impossible. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::No...
:::::::::::As I said on August 25, "Permission to fly wasn't granted until 6 days before IFT-1 (and 3 days before the first attempt). Removing the graph because they don't have approval would make no sense whatsoever"
:::::::::::The FWS investigation could conclude this month, or next month. Just because the flight doesn't have the license doesn't mean it isn't planned.
:::::::::::But this is the wrong place to have this debate. It belongs [[Talk:SpaceX Starship flight tests#the FAA refuses to give SpaceX permission to fly again and as such there cannot be two scheduled flights for 2023|here]]. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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:All I did was remove the beheading part from it because I believe the evidence is too weak and the IDF too inconsistent for us to put it in the methods section. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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:But Vichy france was quite literally fascist, it was lead by a fascist, had fascists in government, and was a puppet state of nazi germany, a well known fascist state. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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:Tell me why Vichy France isn't fascist, when it was lead by a fascist, had a fascist government, and was a puppet state of another fascist regime. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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:Than remove his death from 2023 deaths page. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 01:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
== Rashid died on May 18th of this year actually ==
The information you wrote of his death date is wrong [[Special:Contributions/2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D]] ([[User talk:2600:1014:B00F:16A0:4195:3828:7BB:A88D|talk]]) 02:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you random BoN! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 02:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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== September 2023 ==
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:He is literally in prison, he is a FORMER american actor. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 21:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
== Historical accuracy ==
I reverted your removal of the "Historical accuracy" section at [[Valkyrie (film)]]. Such sections are completely appropriate for historical films. See [[WP:FILMHIST]]. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 16:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
== Edit warring in the article [[Yaroslav Hunka]] ==
Please, cease your [[WP:WAR|edit war]] in the article about [[Yaroslav Hunka]]. Wikipedia rule [[WP:BLP]] specifically says that: ''"BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone, avoiding both understatement and overstatement"''.
By categorizing this article into "white supremacists" category, you are adding a very controversial statement, ungrounded in any secondary reliable source, which could harm a living person. This directly violates a number of Wikipedia rules. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:I want you to calmly and kindly explain to me why a member of the literal paramilitary branch of the NSDAP wasn't a white supremacist. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 20:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:: You are thinking too much. In Wikipedia, editors don't think much. We simply take reliable secondary sources which state something like "Mr. N is a Canadian white supremacist". Then we copy such statement to Wikipedia and we provide a reference. That's it.
:: If you don't have a source which says exactly this then such category is unwarranted. Especially because this made up claim is about a living person. --[[User:Amakuha|Amakuha]] ([[User talk:Amakuha|talk]]) 20:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
::: Death Editor 2, you are being asked: don't think for yourself, and that's not even meant as irony! --[[Special:Contributions/87.170.197.110|87.170.197.110]] ([[User talk:87.170.197.110|talk]]) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
== Starship Flight Tests Article ==
Your edits to change the number of planned flight tests from 2 to 1 with a clear consensus against you constitutes vandalism. Please stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:You said and I quote "Sure. The NASA Commercial LEO Development page for SpaceX had the first payload Q1 2024 '''(the site was taken down later, or at least the bookmark I had made is now broken).'''" Can you see the problem? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::The consensus is against you (out of the 4 editors to comment, 3 were against you), so that changes nothing.
::You also have a large history of policy violation (this is the 6th warning you have received).
::So, consider this your last warning. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::"'''(Moving to the left) I don't see how flight 4 planned for Q1 2024 would imply flight 3 to happen in 2023. If the second flight is successful, it's even possible SpaceX does not launch S26 at all and goes directly to S28. A third flight in 2023 looks very unlikely now, but I don't mind either way for the graph.'''" Another quote from another editor who does not really care either way, so it does not seem like 3 people are against me, just you. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 15:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::1: When a consensus cannot be reached, the status quo is maintained. So even if there isn't a consensus, then your edits still constitute vandalism.
::::2: "With New Year's eve being more than 3 months away and the precedence of flights happening days after receipt of permit, I would say to keep the table as is for now. [[User:Lklundin|Lklundin]] ([[User talk:Lklundin|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)"
::::No one has taken your side here. So stop. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 15:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::New year's eve is less than three months away, and given your source has been taken down I am simply following the logical conclusion that only one more flight will happen in 2023, maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::That's called [[Wikipedia:No original research|Original Research]]. I recommend reading the attached policy. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have a source that hadn't been taken down? [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Do you have a reliable source that directly states "there will only be two flights in 2023"?
::::::::I'd love to see one. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test.
:::::::::2. I don't, but I do have a source that says the next test flight might happen in 2024 that you removed for some reason. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I removed it because the listed date was NET. No Earlier Than. Adding on the 2024 note was pointless.
::::::::::And what even is the point of "1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test."? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 16:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Because one flight definitely happened in 2023, and the second flight in 2023 is highly unlikely maybe. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 16:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Your sources didn't state what your saying. They stated that it might, not that it's likely or unlikely. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::anyways none of this matters, the third flight is made up with no sources what so ever. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::That doesn't negate that you made several edits in violation of a consensus, then readded them after they were reverted. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::alright, I will ask for Consensus. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:Shifting left.
:You can't just ask for a consensus. A consensus is formed by an agreement between editors. Currently, that agreement is against you. So please, self-revert your edits. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::You possibly made up a source and that fact wasn't known to other editors at the time. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I just checked the source again and it's back online. It's right here:[https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/saa/domestic/38918_SpaceX_CCSC2_SAA-UA-23-38918_Baseline_signed.pdf].
:::It is out of date, though (it listed Q3 2023 for IFT-2). [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 17:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::If it's out of date, than it cannot be used. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::If one piece of the source is out of date, that does not invalidate the entire source.
:::::For example:
:::::In the [[SpaceX Super Heavy]] article, citation 41 is a tweet from Elon, stating [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1414284648641925124 "Final decision made earlier this week on booster engine count. Will be 33 at ~230 (half million lbs) sea-level thrust"]. However, the thrust per engine was later changed to 269 tons per engine. The source is still useful, as it states the final decision on the engine count of the booster. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:04, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::embarrassing that we are using Elon Musk as a source. Also it invalidates your entire point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4! [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::How does it invalidate the point that the third flight is going to be in 2023 Q4? [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Because it obviously has been pushed back if the second flight is happening in 2023 Q4. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::It's a delay of roughly 1 month. And that's not really how SpaceX operates.
:::::::::B10 is receiving engines (so is S28), S29 has underwent cryogenic testing, and S26 is awaiting static fire testing. So a delay to IFT-2 doesn't mean a delay to IFT-3. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::The second launch isn't going this year to happen due to the wildlife agency not approving their launch. So the third launch is literally impossible. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 18:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::No...
:::::::::::As I said on August 25, "Permission to fly wasn't granted until 6 days before IFT-1 (and 3 days before the first attempt). Removing the graph because they don't have approval would make no sense whatsoever"
:::::::::::The FWS investigation could conclude this month, or next month. Just because the flight doesn't have the license doesn't mean it isn't planned.
:::::::::::But this is the wrong place to have this debate. It belongs [[Talk:SpaceX Starship flight tests#the FAA refuses to give SpaceX permission to fly again and as such there cannot be two scheduled flights for 2023|here]]. [[User:Redacted II|Redacted II]] ([[User talk:Redacted II|talk]]) 18:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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== October 2023, content removal ==
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:All I did was remove the beheading part from it because I believe the evidence is too weak and the IDF too inconsistent for us to put it in the methods section. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 17:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
::Ok, but please use edit summaries. I disagree with you on the above, but disagreement is no problem. Removing content without an edit summary is almost always a problem. [[User:Jeppiz|Jeppiz]] ([[User talk:Jeppiz|talk]]) 17:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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:You got me, this is actually my second account because I lost the password for my first wikipedia account, called Death Editor. [[User:Death Editor 2|Death Editor 2]] ([[User talk:Death Editor 2#top|talk]]) 03:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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