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Peter Moore tells Joystiq about the new warranty program

After reading about Microsoft's admirable decision to extend their warranty coverage for those suffering from the Xbox 360's Red Ring of Death error, we were given an opportunity to speak with Peter Moore about the move.
When asked why this move -- a sort of mea culpa of a growing failure rate -- has taken so long, Moore replied that it was important to "gather data and weigh the financial implications" in addition to "preparing logistics and identifying problems." While it may have seemed like a long time for those of us in the grips of the hyperkinetic blogosphere, Moore assures us that, for a multi-billion dollar mega-corporation like Microsoft, they acted with some celerity.

So, they've identified problems? What exactly has been killing these Xbox 360s? Moore said there were "a number of issues" that they discovered from collecting data. When reminded of the great job they've done in servicing 360s to date still hasn't stopped some people from having to get their console serviced numerous time, Moore said that they've put "fixes in place" to address them. He pointed out that Joystiq was a great conduit to that very community and extended (what sounded to us like) a sincere apology. They're fixing these systems because the level has been unacceptable of late ... and no, Microsoft has "no intention" and sees "no value" in sharing what percentage of failure there is.

When asked if the total absence of Xbox 360 Elite on store shelves is related to the discovery and fixing of these flaws, Moore said no. "We're not in the business of taking things off store shelves." In fact, Moore said they've recently had to air freight consoles in to keep up with demand and, while a little early, he was confident the June NPD numbers would show a strong Xbox 360 Elite showing. That said, Moore was unable to confirm the rumors that the Xbox 360 Elite is less prone to the RROD error, stating it would be "irresponsible" to make such a conclusion based on the limited amount of data available following the console's April 29th launch.

Lastly, we wanted to know why the expanded warranty didn't extend to the disc scratching error, which is not covered under the general Red Ring of Death issue, and Moore claimed the numbers on disc scratching were a "very, very, very small percentage ... infinitesimal" even and affecting only a couple of (we're guessing very unlucky) countries.

Since Microsoft will take a $1.05 billion to $1.15 billion pre-tax charge to earnings for the quarter ended June 30, 2007 to pay for the estimated cost of this policy change, consumers can see this as a kind of corporate contrition; Microsoft making sure, at great cost, to do right by their customers.

Tags: joystiqfeatures, PeterMoore, RROD, Warranty

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FTM
FTM
Jul 5th 2007
6:12PM
So... um... what happens to all those people who bought their retail outlet's extended warranty?
Paul
Paul
Jul 5th 2007
6:14PM
To 1:

Suckers!
Steve
Steve
Jul 5th 2007
6:16PM
Quite the straight shooter he is. They want to solve the problem, but they also need to be concerned with their bottom line, like any business would need to be. I'm happy that they're taking a proactive approach to solving this problem.

Oh, and that chair looks comfy.
nerrrrrd
nerrrrrd
Jul 5th 2007
6:18PM
#1... they got suckered and gave that store free money!
nerrrrd
nerrrrd
Jul 5th 2007
6:18PM
when i was at best buy they begged me to buy the $80 service plan for the Elite saying how they "all overheat...not saying it will..." stupid best buy employees! this is the same guy who 5 minutes earlier was trying to tell a customer that Red Steel was a great game cuz they sold so many copies at the Wii launch. I was quick to tell that guy to grab Paper Mario instead.
me
me
Jul 5th 2007
6:18PM
screw the retail warranty, I bought one from MS that they "extended" to next year about 3 months ago. I'm on my 4th 360! Does this jump me to 5 years?
Ice Cold
Ice Cold
Jul 5th 2007
6:18PM
Anyone Notice how the 360 was a Decepticon in the Transformers Movie!


So its gonna cost them 1.15 Billion

that sure is ALOT cheaper than the Madatory Federal Recall they are facing


thats what the BBB and my State Senator tell me since I sent them 4 angry letter each about the 360 failure rate



PS3= Autobot
Wii= Autobot in the Transformer Sequl which has already been shot like LOTR was they shot all 3 at the same time and Kill Bill

J Allard.. supreme/lead 360 engineer, is probably sh!tting his pants right now.. how would you feel if you were responsible for losing.. one billiiiiiiiion dollars!

They may show him the door a la Katarugi..
ShinobiFist
ShinobiFist
Jul 5th 2007
6:20PM
Good to know they have been addressing the issue for quite sometime. But, why don't they want to release the failure numbers? Was the problem that bad?
Ice Cold
Ice Cold
Jul 5th 2007
6:22PM
Vocal Minority my ass you sons of bitches at Microsoft calling us a small Vocal Minority

Major Nelson you have NO credibility left what so ever your the 360's Ronald McDonald



33+% failure rate Nominated as WORST consumer Electronics product ever.

After 3 years its a 100% failure rate


failure rate my N64 SNES and Dreamcast all still work perfectly.

Digi Smalls
Digi Smalls
Jul 5th 2007
6:28PM
i'll miss the crazy theories of how "Micro$oft makes money on repairz!!!!!".





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KL
KL
Jul 5th 2007
6:31PM
so does this mean i get a 3yr warranty if i buy a brand new x360 today?
Grog
Grog
Jul 5th 2007
6:35PM
"After 3 years its a 100% failure rate"

I know, from reading what you wrote, that you are not the most intelligent person who ever lived. I'd ask you to reconsider this statement, however, since *the console hasn't existed for 3 years yet!*
razer
razer
Jul 5th 2007
6:38PM
Ice Cold: It's called business. Do you think they should of came out and said "our product stinks"??

This seems very admirable of MS and they are taking a financial hit because of it. His answers seem very candid and I believe it does take some time to actually find a fix, figure out how to implement it effectively and then weed out the bad units from the good ones. I do not for a minute think there is a %100 defect rate that's insane and consider I'm still running my launch console just fine I am proof. I run the thing for hours sometimes leaving it running over night.. But even if it goes bad I know I am covered and it will be free plus they have a fix that will remedy the problem.
Dave
Dave
Jul 5th 2007
6:39PM
Of the two other 360 owners I know, two of them have experienced the red ring--one multiple times. I imagine the failure rates are excessive. Still, I don't understand why there's so much anger considering they've extended the warranty. Considering some of the responses, you'd think they'd just reduced the warranty period.

#12 Yes--but the third year only covers the red ring defect.
CJ
CJ
Jul 5th 2007
6:43PM
I don't know a single person that has had a failure. 120 people on my friends list and not one has had an issue. These are people from all over the place and almost all of them had their console on release date. I am not sure what the failure rate is but I am fairly convinced that it is nowhere close to 33%.

I think the failure rate is likely unacceptably high, but how much of that is user created failure I do not know. Having worked for a major computer manufacturer i know that the reported failure rate and actual failure rate is vastly different. I am pretty sure that under poor ventilation the system will display this error even though there is no 'flaw'. this could be a design flaw iguess because they did not anticipate where these units were going to be housed and how they were going to be used. A warranty extension of this kind is unheard of in the industry, that shows a lot of commitment on MS's side.

What is the deal with the out of box failure rate of the PS3 by the way. I had to go back to the store 3 times to get one that worked. My friend on Canada had to take 5 trips.

I think both MS adn Sony rushed their product to the market way too much.
Markusdragon
Markusdragon
Jul 5th 2007
6:47PM
@1 "So... um... what happens to all those people who bought their retail outlet's extended warranty?"

They're covered for accidental damage, which Microsoft's warranty probably doesn't sort.
GunForHire
GunForHire
Jul 5th 2007
6:49PM
Brilliant - the same trolls from Engadget have posted the exact same thing over here on joystiq.

Hey losers! STFU, GTFO!
Ice Cold
Ice Cold
Jul 5th 2007
6:51PM
This just in Sales of EB Games Warranty and Best Buy warranties on the 360 decline sharply


Employees at Gamestop EB Games and Best Buy caught on Tape lying to customers about Microsoft's 360 Warranty
James
James
Jul 5th 2007
6:52PM
Knowingly selling defective hardware and simply not charging to fix it for 3 years is NOT doing their customers right.

Right up the ass, maybe.

MS screwed the pooch on this one and have simply found the lowest cost, bare-bones way to address. I'm still not even considering touching an Xbox 360 until the PROBLEMS DON'T EXIST.
GodisaMyth
GodisaMyth
Jul 5th 2007
6:54PM
Geez Joystiq,

Careful, your nose might get alittle dirty if you get to close to Tatoo.

"Moore said that they've put "fixes in place" to address them. He pointed out that Joystiq was a great conduit to that very community and extended (what sounded to us like) a sincere apology. They're fixing these systems because the level has been unacceptable of late ... and no, Microsoft has "no intention" and sees "no value" in sharing what percentage of failure there is."

A sincere apology? No, damage control pure and simple. No value in the failure rate %...ya right, if he did that would be almost certain death for MS.
GJM
GJM
Jul 5th 2007
6:57PM
like clockwork
TC
TC
Jul 5th 2007
7:00PM
What happens to the companies that sold extended warranties and the customers that purchased them? These 3rd party warranties only kick in after the original manufacturer warranty ends. Now that warranty has been extended twice.

Many policies have kicked in and repairs have been made on them by now. Will Microsoft settle with these warranty companies?

If a customer purchased a 2 year warranty at launch: Are they covered till 2010 or do they end up losing out and only have MS coverage till 2008?

How many customers bought an extended warranty for their Xbox 360 but, would not have if there had not been so much RRoD uncertainty?

What will happen to customers and warranty companies that sent of Xbox 360s to 3rd party companies for repair?
rarehero
rarehero
Jul 5th 2007
7:09PM
The games media hates this because it takes away the #1 news item they reported on for the last one and a half years, giving them ad revenue on article clicks.

The fanboys hate this because this makes the 360 the clear and obvious winner this gen.
Digi Smalls
Digi Smalls
Jul 5th 2007
7:10PM
Sony can admit they need to get games out there, didn't have the best launch line up, need to add rumble, get PSN up to par with XBL, WarHawk's singleplayer wasn't good enough to release, and a whole ton of other shit, and that's all "OK".

MS admits their problem, fixes it for the future and the past, and it's a scam somehow. each and every one of you are hypocrites of the first order.

the worst thing that could happen for the PS3 is MS fixing this issue, and now that they're addressing it you're all bugging the hell out. like roaches.

it's like, OH NO, what will i have to talk about now?




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Spitkicker
Spitkicker
Jul 5th 2007
7:25PM
@CJ
How in the hell do you get 120 friends on your list?
ALH
ALH
Jul 5th 2007
7:27PM
hmmm..3 years now? thats a bit of a relief. my current 360 is approaching the 8 month old mark and as much as i've not had any problems with THIS one ( first one was dead out the box) i sure as heck am terrified to play it for long periods of time *just in case.*
Goober
Goober
Jul 5th 2007
7:28PM
Aren't the warranties that are sold by Gamestop and other retailers EXTENDED warranties? That means that they need to cover the product for X amount of years AFTER the manufacturer warranty expires. This means that Gamestop's warranty shouldn't kick in until the end of the third year of ownership.

However I'd probably ask Gamestop this since they'll most likely try to say otherwise?
jchatland
jchatland
Jul 5th 2007
7:28PM
What they are REALLY saying with the extended 3 year warrantee on the 3 red rings of death is that they have fixed the units to display only 2 red rings.......sorry "but you have to have 2 to qualify"
russ
russ
Jul 5th 2007
7:29PM
Well, this is a step forward.

But my 360 died, they wouldnt give me my download content back, and I sold the replacement to get a ps3.

Can I get my £100+ worth of DLC back Microsoft?

I thought not. Odd, because you have my credit card details.

Figboy
Figboy
Jul 5th 2007
7:31PM
admirable? how the flying f*ck is this admirable for Microsoft?

they sold X Box fans a defective piece of kit, blamed the failures on them, charged them for repairs, then decides to extend the warranty for three years to avoid a class action lawsuit?

yeah, real admirable.

when you pay over $400 for *ANYTHING, that sh*t better work.

i own a PS3. yes, it cost me $600, but it's a well built piece of machinery, and it had a year warranty since the *BEGINNING.

i feel sorry for all those 360 owners that bought store warranties (biggest scam in history), and the fact that a lot of new 360 owners have to worry about if their system is going to break down or not. warranty or not.

i may have the warranty on the PS3, but my stomach doesn't churn everytime i turn the thing on, or update the firmware, in fear that it's not going to turn on or get bricked.

this shouldn't be a concern for a single X Box fan out there.

they spent their hard earned money on technology that should be sound.

the PS2 had major issues for the first 6 months or so of release, by it's year birthday, they were sorted out.

the 360 is almost two years old, and people are still having major problems with the software.

this is ridiculous.

it's good that you all got an extended warranty, but you probably would have gotten a lot more if you had all gone through with the Class Action lawsuit.

i really want a 360, but i don't want to deal with the stress of worrying if my console will break down, period.
GJM
GJM
Jul 5th 2007
7:31PM
Oops, russ got caught lying
russ
russ
Jul 5th 2007
7:35PM
and how am i lying GJM? Please justify your comment.
GJM
GJM
Jul 5th 2007
7:40PM
Because you can't lose DLC
russ
russ
Jul 5th 2007
7:45PM
wrong! I paid for games to be played by me and the other accounts on my machine. My primary account was the only one able to play anything other than demos. I spent hours and hours on the phone to india, and went through an endless loop of proving i was the original owner of the account. They finally told me to sign up a backup account, and re-download the content....

That backup account never got credited.

I gave up in the end.

If you are defending microsoft, then you are obviously an employee of MS, or a fanboy.
tituspullo
tituspullo
Jul 5th 2007
7:48PM
damn that's funny how scared the ps3 fanboys are. no what can you say? so i guess we'll be back to "wait until the good games come out"

seriously your getting your money back if you had to pay out of warranty there fixing the problem and extending the warranty to 3 years for the rrod! sounds like good new where i live on earth! and it's sound like some you you nerds need to put down the sony kool-aid, after all it's so bitter.
tituspullo
tituspullo
Jul 5th 2007
7:52PM
hey russ,

you don't get credited, you have to get point codes from the people at tech support. yeah you do get them i got over 26,000 points refunded. you have to set up another account so you can re-download your missing content. i spent 20 min getting about 18 codes but twas worth it for the points. now the whole process takes some days, but you should hold on to your ref # so they know what your talking about.
Digi Smalls
Digi Smalls
Jul 5th 2007
7:53PM
figboy, all those people who paid MS are getting their money back, short of having better manufacturing partners to begin with, every 360 in existence is now back under warranty. that's pretty admirable.

they dont make money on repairs, and claim they've made improvements on the repaired units and new units, maybe its really over.


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GJM
GJM
Jul 5th 2007
7:56PM
"If you are defending microsoft, then you are obviously an employee of MS, or a fanboy."

Nope. I own a PS3, 360, Wii, and everything else. You said you lost it, then you changed your story.
Steve
Steve
Jul 5th 2007
7:57PM
@tituspullo - Somewhere, an English teacher just died reading your comment.
Hatchetforce
Hatchetforce
Jul 5th 2007
7:58PM
It isn't J. Allard crapping his pants, it is that weasel Holmdahl. He is the hardware monkey. Well, too little too late I say. And #37, many of us already had to get a retailer warranty and use that so we didn't get anything for free. My second went rown to RROD and I traded the console as a broken unit rather than pay the $139. The last thing anyone should do is try to paint MS as a Saint. They wouldn't have done this if they could have kept lying.
SuedeGopher
SuedeGopher
Jul 5th 2007
8:02PM
Speaking as someone involved in finance - most likely MS realized that their quarter pre-tax was looking less than smooth and decided to make a little coffer to smooth things out AND get some great PR. I'm saying the figure is probably not all that important and while the figure may have factual forecasting attached to it, most likely the figure represented how much of a hit they needed to take to make things perty.
Gamer XoverY
Gamer XoverY
Jul 5th 2007
8:07PM
I got you fixed the problem thing right here you gay son of a bitçh moore ( sorry no offense to the gay community by comparing moore to you)

Facking liars. I'm not buy a Dam thing from mircosoft or any of its sub-companies any more...Sorry halo 3 (he sighs...then smashs his fist through a copy of VISTA...he then smiles once again after spiting on it)

Hey Peter "Pan" Moore ....YOU SUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.s. I have nothing against Bill Gates :-)
Atelectasis
Atelectasis
Jul 5th 2007
8:28PM
I wonder if these mass failures were planned in order to increase the "numbers"
Tom Hayden
Tom Hayden
Jul 5th 2007
8:33PM
Is that $1B price tag not significant? Why is that little nugget buried at the bottom? I feel like a Billion dollar writedown deserves to be higher up in the column.
Taco_Hell
Taco_Hell
Jul 5th 2007
8:35PM
Man, from reading news about the red ring of death and from the comments here...am I the only one who's had a 360 since launch and never had the red ring of death?
Matt B
Matt B
Jul 5th 2007
8:50PM
If you do a little math, MS is admitting close to a 30% failure rate given the $ invested in "policy change".

$1.15B/$400= 2,875,000 units they figure to have to fix.

They got backed into a corner.

The RROD was hurting them. Lots of people were affected.

This is text book DAMAGE CONTROL.

Score 1 for the gaming community!!!
Spartacus
Spartacus
Jul 5th 2007
9:30PM
Matt B:

Your math isn't off, but your logic is... 1.15 billion has nothing to do with sales figures, which is what $400 would be. It does not cost MS $400 to fix the console. If any figure should be used, it would be the $130 or whatever they charged to fix it. But of course that would throw your math equation into resulting in a near 80% failure rate, which is ridiculous. Basically, your equation is FUBR- it's nonsense.

Back on topic, you really can't fault MS on this. They are addressing an unanticipated issue as best as a corporation with the bottom line in mind ever has. I feel much more secure in my purchase now ;-)

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