it's Madcatz, so if it's anything like their controllers... then the answer is yes.

"if it's anything like their controllers"

I haven't experienced any lag yet. Their buttons do tend to jam after 140 or so hours of play.

on the 360 no.

Although I am not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to this, HDMI carries a Digital signal, whereas VGA converts the signal from the Xbox to an analog signal, then re converts it when it gets to your TV...I think.

HDMI, therefore, shouldn't cause any loss in signal while it's traveling from place to place. There's at least one reason to use it.

As for the topic at hand, I am happy with my plain old component cable thanks. Plus, I am in danger of failing into the group whose 360s are eventually going to break, at which point I will get a swanky HDMI ready one anyaways.

Sorry MadCatz, as cool as having a "z" at the end of your name makes you, I don't need this particular piece of junk.

Sam Earl; You're right, however that digital signal which this HDMI converter is sending along has actually already been converted to an analogue signal. So it's just re-converting an analogue signal into a digital signal again. Hence, there is actually more chance of there being quality loss using this peripheral than just using VGA. Of course, if you have no VGA/Mono,Stereo,video ports in your TV (could happen) this would be good.

Well, I'm currently in the situation where my 1080p HDTV won't accept a 1080p signal over anything other than HDMI -- and my 360 happens to be one of the few HDMI-less models that hasn't broke (lucky me).

I currently have the 360 connected via the VGA cable, but that means that I'm really running at 1024x768 -- again, my TV will not accept a 1080p signal over anything besides HDMI and 1024x768 was the highest resolution that it will accept over VGA.

I would use the component cables, except that I've only got two inputs for component on the TV, and both the Wii and PS2 are taking them up.

It's a shame that this is $90 -- if it was less, I would stop secretly wishing for my 360 to fail and buy this instead.

Smiley dude, why are you sacrificing your 360 picture quality for the sake of your PS2 or Wii, they both run almost as well on regular composite, but the 360 runs much better at 1080p over 4:3 anything.

ok, let me clear up the hdmi/component/vga debate. the best possiable video connection is going to be hdmi, if the signal is kept 100% digital.

This device offers no benefit in picture quality, since the source was an analog signal. Analog signals must be interpreted by a a-to-d converter to display on modern displays (anything not a tube tv). This is because the multiplexer to set the matrix of pixels on your flat panel needs a digital signal. So, what mad cats is selling you is a $90 a-to-d. Keep in mind that this is already built into your tv since your panel needs a digital signal to display an image.

In other words, this is a complete waste of money. It will most likely be bought by the same people that buy HDMI cables from best buy for $120, when you can get the exact same thing from amazon for $15. General consumers are just gullible, and madcatz is really good at taking advantage of that. So is monster cable.

Why did you say HD-DVD in here?
The 360 can upconvert dvds using vga or hdmi.
No need for the HD-DVD drive.

Note: The xbox360 is a terrible DVD player and should never ever be used as such.

Seriously, a 20quid DVD player at your local supermarket would be a better option.

I dunno what you're talking about TomCo, I use my 360 for DVD's because of the nice upscaling it does over the VGA to my TV. It makes regular DVD's look twice as good as my "20 quid" DVD playing we used to have hooked up at the same time.

My 360 plays dvds as well or better than any other dvd player I have owned. I don't really think I need to rush out and get this for my STILL RUNNING launch day 360 because I can't imagine that it will make that much difference. Not to mention, one of my favorite parts of HDMI is that I can run a single wire to my receiver and just switch the input. This leaves a tidy single wire to the back of my tv (I also have an elite connected to my big tv).

I have to say that the 360 is terrible for DVD. But as I only have component, and a launch console that wont die I don't know if it upconverts better via VGA because I am stuck with 576p.

I would like to know, does the 360 think this is the VGA cable, or the Component cable. If it thinks it is VGA you are fine, because you can get 1080p from it, but if it thinks it is a component you are locked to just 1080i for HD-DVD or EDTV for DVD without the HD-DVD add-on. Which is poor, as my TV does 1080p over component and the only problem is the 360 wont give it to me.

huh? new TVs aren't dropping component, its not going away. any new TV will have component inputs. two or three even.

Digi: I know you in person bro, don't make me walk over to your apartment and throw a milkshake on you! Where are my tools you borrowed? And my '2001' blu ray!?

I'm talking about how a tv from 3 years ago might have had more component inputs than they do now, as HDMI becomes the new standard. I know it's a lot to grasp, but don't worry: I'll keep reminding you over the next year or two as it happens.

First of all, this is NOT the same thing. This unit just converst component or VGA to HDMI, it's NOT the same thing as a xbox with true HDMI-output.
Secondly, HDMI carries audio too, so not everyine needs optical audio too.
Third, the problem is that the optical out is on "standard" cable normally, and that cable won't fit at the same time as a hdmi-connector. It's nothing that MS has done to get more money. You can actually just remove the casing from the original connector to get it to fit at the same time: http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50

Your better off running 720p rather than 1080i. It's all very complicated but I read somewhere about 'i' being half the amount of lines on the screen. So 1080i is something like 540, whereas 720p means 720 lines. I know very little about the complexities for these things but I think it goes something like that.

Laggy,

Please look up interlacing. I assure you that 1080i has a resolution of 1920x1080 on screen at any given time. The i refers to how the lines are updated.

True, but usually 720p IS the better option for gaming. Games that need to run at a solid 60fps (twitch fests, fighters etc) in order to get pixel perfect timing really benefit from a progressive signal (720p). While the seolution is higher in 1080i, only half the screen is refreshed every cycle, which *can* appear as lag or distortion in fast paced games, much like the ghosting effect on LCD screens. 1080i isn't the same as 540p, but 720p is the better option for gaming overall.

AirIntake, please educate yourself on interlacing.

An interlaced signal only shows half the number of line in any given frame as the advertised resolution. Your 480i TV is actually only capable of displaying 240 lines at a time. They get away with 1080 because they take a 1080 source, and display the odd numbered lines in one frame, and then the even numbered lines the next. You TV never shows more than 540 lines in a frame, but because your eye and brain aren't fast enough, it thinks its seeing the whole 1080 image.

Believe me, it matters. I had my PC running a 1080i to my old crt HDTV over component. You could not read the text on the screen due to the flicker caused by the interlacing process.

The flicker is less noticeable with pictures, but its still present.

An analogous situation would be if you have an 800x600 LCD, but it was able to accept 1280x960 input. Sure, the source is 1280x960, but what you're going to see op screen isn't nearly that high a quality.

Until you try to plug an HDMI cable into it: then you'll have a problem.

don't believe the hype.

again, unless you need to plug into a digital-only Apple Cinema Display or other niche case, the 360 does full 1080p for games through component fine out the gate.


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Except all the arcade games will become broken unless logged into Live.

So if I ever take my 360 somewhere where there isn't an internet connection (like, my parents house over Christmas) then I can't play any of the live games.

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^ i was commenting how i like my new avatar, somehow i got cut off.

I totally agree. This 'get an HDMI on back' thing is not really happening yet, if ever. They have a huge amount of broken 360s that they are likely going through and repairing, and that's what you end up with. I've never heard of anyone getting back an HDMI 360 unless that's what they already owned.

Also in the "something I haven't seen before" catagory: my friend's 360 just went down, and when he got it back, it was the same unit (same serial number), repaired. Everyone else I know who bothered to check the serial number before they sent it back for repair got a different refurbished one back.

Sorry, slight copy-paste error... that's really supposed to say "This 'get an HDMI on your replacement unit when you get it back' thing is not really happening yet, if ever."

That's the first I've heard of that as well ill Trooper. All six of our "repaired" units had in fact been refurbished replacements. Perhaps things have slowed enough that they can actually do some repair work.

This is further backed up by the fact that this device doesn't appear to have an external power source. If you're going to be doing any kind of conversion from analog to digital, you need to have an external power source, because whatever the small voltage that the port provides isn't going to be enough to handle the signal processing.

Well, MS DID say a long time ago that the original 360 mobo was capable of HDMI, so it would seem that this adapter is indeed just tapping into a native digital signal. When the HDMI mobo's were released, everyone just assumed the old version wasn't capable of HDMI and called MS liars, but it looks as if MS just figured it was better to add a port on their mobos than to sell (or package) a separate adapter/dongle.

If thats the case, my interest in this product has just increased.