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[Hpn] Does everyone really need to live in a fixed building?
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Hi there,
I am the owner of a group on Yahoo! called vagabond2 or Vagabond Too. The URL is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2 and I question the notion that so-called homeless people are necessarily in need of any "help" or "assistance." To the extent that people actually want to be "helped" then I think they should be helped, but there are many people who choose to be without a fixed address from a permanent building on land they have rights to by owning or renting. Society calls them vagrant and tries to force them into fixed abode, even if that is jail or another institution.
Historically, serfs were bound to the land and yet today so many of us are modern-day serfs. We spend the majority of our life's effort trying to keep a fixed roof over our heads. Many of the other things we do are also dictated by this same effort. The gas-guzzling cars most of us drive is necessitatd by our need to earn enough money to pay the rent and these cars cost money too. Same with clothing. Without the need to punch the clock, we could get by with just a few simple casual clothes. Even recreation and vacations are to a large part dictated by our need to escape mind-numbing repetition of regular jobs. Real estate directly or indirectly holds us all in a state of bondage for most of our lives.
Many "Homeless" groups seek to place "homeless" people in the same kind of permanent dwellings on the same kind of fixed real estate that dooms the rest of us to serfdom. Those who want it may well seek it, but the attitudes of society to force us all into fixed abodes is unfair and wrongheaded. Many people seek freedom from the system and choose to be voluntarily "homeless." Yet societal pressures in most cases forces these people back into traditional homes and apartments.
My own ancestors were forced into a state of homedwelling. I am 1/4 Native American and 3/4 Romani (Gypsy). Both groups historically have been assimilated under intense pressure from society at large and forced into a state of homedwelling. But how much happier they might be living communally in portable dwellings that it forces me to speak up in protest.
Many people today live in their vehicles. Generally if those people are unemployed and poor, they are harasses by local police where if they have fat pensions and live in RV parks, they are treated with the utmost deferance. Many people live in their boats on salt water and that is considered acceptable I think mostly because they are more afluent, generally and can often fight back. However, "homeless" people's shanty towns are regularly buldozed into oblivion and their occupants forced into "shelters." Of course we all know these shelters provide shelter from the rain but not from being victimized by other people. Congregated here they are easy targets. Many of these "homeless" would happily chose to live on their own but are not permitted to do so.
It is unfair to force everyone to follow the same cultural model of housedwelling. "Homeless" people who live in squatter villiages and shanty towns should be allowed to remain there by our communities.
Well, this problem is a big one and frankly I don't know how to solve it--how to stop society from imposing their narrow-minded notions of home-dwelling on the minority of people who seek to live otherwise, but my group, the Vagabond Too group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2 seeks to do what it can by empowering people such as those who live in their vehicles.
For those who agree with me, I invite you to join my group and we'll work to empower each other and help those homeless who would chose to be free from modern-day serfdom.
Take care,
Rom Publius
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<DIV>Hi there,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am the owner of a group on Yahoo! called vagabond2 or Vagabond Too. The URL is: <A href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2</A> and I question the notion that so-called homeless people are necessarily in need of any "help" or "assistance." To the extent that people actually want to be "helped" then I think they should be helped, but there are many people who choose to be without a fixed address from a permanent building on land they have rights to by owning or renting. Society calls them vagrant and tries to force them into fixed abode, even if that is jail or another institution.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Historically, serfs were bound to the land and yet today so many of us are modern-day serfs. We spend the majority of our life's effort trying to keep a fixed roof over our heads. Many of the other things we do are also dictated by this same effort. The gas-guzzling cars most of us drive is necessitatd by our need to earn enough money to pay the rent and these cars cost money too. Same with clothing. Without the need to punch the clock, we could get by with just a few simple casual clothes. Even recreation and vacations are to a large part dictated by our need to escape mind-numbing repetition of regular jobs. Real estate directly or indirectly holds us all in a state of bondage for most of our lives. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many "Homeless" groups seek to place "homeless" people in the same kind of permanent dwellings on the same kind of fixed real estate that dooms the rest of us to serfdom. Those who want it may well seek it, but the attitudes of society to force us all into fixed abodes is unfair and wrongheaded. Many people seek freedom from the system and choose to be voluntarily "homeless." Yet societal pressures in most cases forces these people back into traditional homes and apartments.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My own ancestors were forced into a state of homedwelling. I am 1/4 Native American and 3/4 Romani (Gypsy). Both groups historically have been assimilated under intense pressure from society at large and forced into a state of homedwelling. But how much happier they might be living communally in portable dwellings that it forces me to speak up in protest. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many people today live in their vehicles. Generally if those people are unemployed and poor, they are harasses by local police where if they have fat pensions and live in RV parks, they are treated with the utmost deferance. Many people live in their boats on salt water and that is considered acceptable I think mostly because they are more afluent, generally and can often fight back. However, "homeless" people's shanty towns are regularly buldozed into oblivion and their occupants forced into "shelters." Of course we all know these shelters provide shelter from the rain but not from being victimized by other people. Congregated here they are easy targets. Many of these "homeless" would happily chose to live on their own but are not permitted to do so.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is unfair to force everyone to follow the same cultural model of housedwelling. "Homeless" people who live in squatter villiages and shanty towns should be allowed to remain there by our communities. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well, this problem is a big one and frankly I don't know how to solve it--how to stop society from imposing their narrow-minded notions of home-dwelling on the minority of people who seek to live otherwise, but my group, the Vagabond Too group at <A href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vagabond2</A> seeks to do what it can by empowering people such as those who live in their vehicles. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For those who agree with me, I invite you to join my group and we'll work to empower each other and help those homeless who would chose to be free from modern-day serfdom.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Take care,</DIV>
<DIV>Rom Publius</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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