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Chanukah and Thanksgiving: A Brief History

Chanukah and Thanksgiving: A Brief History

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Question:

Is it true that . . .

  • Thanksgiving falls on Chanukah this year,
  • it’s never happened before, and
  • it will never happen again?

Answer:

Yes, no, and maybe.

Yes, this Chanukah, if you’re celebrating Thanksgiving, you’ll want to light the second candle of the menorah at your turkey dinner.

No, it’s not true that this has never happened before. Let’s work this through step by step:

Chanukah was declared a Jewish national holiday 2178 years ago. Thanksgiving was declared a national American holiday on the last Thursday of every November by Abraham Lincoln in 1863. Before then, Thanksgiving was celebrated on different dates in different states, so we won’t count those. But, using the Chabad.org Date Converter, you will see that Thanksgiving coincided with the first day of Chanukah on November 29, 1888. It also coincided with the fourth day of Chanukah on November 30, 1899.

On November 28, 1918, Thanksgiving was on Chanukah eve. But since it’s still Thanksgiving until midnight, and Jewish days begin at night, that would still mean that Jewish Americans would have eaten their turkeys that Thanksgiving to the light of their first Chanukah candle.

It gets more complicated. Originally, Thanksgiving was always on the last Thursday of November. In 1939, FDR decided it would be good for the economy to push Thanksgiving back a little, so he declared the fourth Thursday of that November to be Thanksgiving—even though there were five Thursdays to November that year. In 1942, that became federal law. But not all states went along with it. As late as 1956, Texas was still celebrating Thanksgiving a week later than the rest of the country.

Which means that if you were a Texan Jewish family, you would be eating that turkey to the light of your first Chanukah light in 1945 and 1956.

Will it ever happen again? Interesting question. If we project forward, assuming that:

  1. Thanksgiving will be celebrated on the same schedule,
  2. The people celebrating Thanksgiving will continue following the Gregorian calendar without modification,
  3. The Jewish calendar will continue on its current 19-year cycle,

. . . then the next time the two will coincide would be when Thanksgiving falls on Chanukah eve in the year 2070. That would repeat itself in 2165.

Let’s chart this out:

Thanksgiving Dates

Chanukah Dates

11/29/1888

Kislev 25, 5649—2 candles that night

11/30/1899

Kislev 29, 5660—5 candles

11/28/1918

Kislev 24, 5679—1 candle

11/29/1945 (Texas only)

Kislev 24, 5706—1 candle

11/29/1956 (Texas only)

Kislev 24, 5717—1 candle

11/28/2013 (you are here now)

Kislev 25, 5774—2 candles

11/27/2070 (theoretically)

Kislev 24, 5831—1 candle

11/28/2165 (theoretically)

Kislev 24, 5926—1 candle


You’ll notice that these dates are getting further and further apart. That’s not just FDR’s fault. Both the Gregorian calendar and the Jewish calendar are slowly drifting in relation to the actual solar year—but at different rates. After 2165, Chanukah would have completely drifted out of November—unless one of these calendars (or Thanksgiving) is changed.

The most important codification of the laws of the Jewish calendar was written by Maimonides in the 12th century. The standard medieval commentary to that text points out that the calendar is set up in such a way that eventually it will self-obsolesce. By the year 6000 (that’s 2240 on the Gregorian calendar), the holidays—most importantly, Passover—will start falling in the wrong seasons.

His conclusion: Before that time, Moshiach is expected to arrive and gather the Jews from the diaspora. At that point we will return to establishing the calendar on a month-by-month basis, as was done originally, before the current diaspora.1

Yes, making appointments is going to be a bit of a challenge, but there will certainly be solutions. At any rate, the benefits far exceed the inconvenience.

One thing is certain, however, as Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman wrote in the 13th century:2 We will forever continue to light the Chanukah lamps for eight nights, every Chanukah. Some lights can never be extinguished.


For more on the connection between Thanksgiving and Chanukah, read Thanksgiving Meets Chanukah.


Video: In 1984, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, the Rebbe, of righteous memory, highlighted some of the correlations between Chanukah and Thanksgiving in a public address:

FOOTNOTES
1. Peirush to Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Kiddush ha-Chodesh 9:11. See also Ittim le-Binah, Maamar 12; Torah Sheleimah vol. 13, Sod ha-Ibbur, ch. 2.
2. In his commentary to Numbers 8:2.
By Tzvi Freeman
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November 26, 2013
@Stewart Eastman, November 24
When discussing the status of two days of Rosh Hashana outside Israel, the Gemara in Beitzah mentions that we keep two days of Yom Tov nowadays, despite that there is seemingly no reason to, because our forefathers in the times of the Temple had a doubt when the holiday was. In those days witnesses would come to court and testify they saw the new moon. If it was Tishrei, the day they came would be Rosh Hashana, and only one day. Far away from Jerusalem, where they didn't get the news quickly, they kept two days, just in case. Eventually, a sage known as Hillel established the calendar we have nowadays. The Gemara also comments that there may come a time where we don't know the calculations behind the calendar and we will be force to accept witnesses once more, thus creating a mess regarding when the holidays are.
To answer your questions, nobody nowadays has the authority to change the calendar, and when Mashiach comes, we'll all be in Jerusalem and therefore can accept witnesses np.
Anonymous
Awaiting Moshiach
November 26, 2013
Re: Correction
Thanks for pointing out that slip! Fixed!
Tzvi Freeman
November 24, 2013
Re: 79,000 years
The sites claiming that the next overlap won't happen for more than 79,800 years are answering a DIFFERENT question, namely:
When will Thanksgiving again occur on the FIRST DAY (or second evening) of Chanukah?

In contrast, this site explores the more general occurrence of Thanksgiving anytime during the Chanukah holiday.

The reason for the 79,800+ years is that the earliest possible Gregorian date for the first day of Chanukah will soon drift from the present Nov. 28 to Nov. 29, due to the very slight discrepancy between the Gregorian and 19-year-cycle Hebrew calendars. Currently the latest possible date for Thanksgiving is Nov. 28 (if November begins on a Friday, as it does this year).

In theory it would take nearly 80,000 years for the gradual shift in the earliest possible Chanukah date (by the Gregorian calendar) to move through the entire year, and eventually back to the point where Nov. 28 is again possible.

But of course there will be calendar adjustment long before then.
Paul Goldstein
Vindenes, Norway
November 24, 2013
thanksgiving shares Chanukah
Thank you for sharing history of the past regarding how two different calendars share time for this thanksgiving/chanukah 2013. Also, the Jewish historically development of the calendar. Living on two calendars is not difficult it's part of life living in the United States. Thankful for your organatiion and sharing. Adamarie Adams
adamarie adams
chico, Calif
November 24, 2013
Correction
According to the calendar, 11/30/1899 was Kislev 28, the 5th candle, and not Kislev 29, the 6th candle!
Anonymous
November 24, 2013
Correcting the calendar?
I've noticed here and elsewhere comments that the Hebrew calendar is not going to be allowed to drift indefinitely because, for instance, Passover must be in the Spring. Although, come to think of it, it is only in the Spring in the Northern Hemisphere. But, who exactly changes it? Is there anyone, or any group or body, who would be authorized to change the calendar? It sounds like the sort of thing people would debate nearly forever. Perhaps we should start now, while we still have a few thousand years to settle the question.
Stewart Eastman
Abita Springs
November 24, 2013
Re: Yom Kippur and Thanksgiving
As per the explanation in the article, Americans have no worries about missing their turkey due to Yom Kippur.

In Canada, however, where Thanksgiving is on the second Monday of October, these two holidays are set to coincide on Monday, October 11, 2027.
Tzvi Freeman
November 22, 2013
Yom Kippur and Thanksgiving
Giving the shifting of the calendar mentioned above with Passover, can it be possible that Thanksgiving and Yom Kippur coincide? If so, when will that happen? Has it happened already? I know it happens fairly regularly in Canada as Canadian thanksgiving is in mid-October.
Larry Viezel
Fair Lawn
November 19, 2013
Not John Hanson
The comment about John Hanson is wrong. It is a myth. He was only the president of the congress, like the Speaker of the House today, and he did not proclaim an ongoing Thanksgiving holiday. You can look for more information on the history myths website.
Stewart Eastman
Abita Springs
November 19, 2013
Confusion between Thanksgiving and Chanukah
Many journalists seem to believe that Chanukah is a one-day holiday, same as Thanksgiving. But, Chanukah is not simply one day. Thanksgiving can fall on the first, second, or further day of Chanukah and the two holidays will coincide.
George Cooke
Orlando, Florida
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