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Nikon D810: A sport photographer's impressions

UK-based sports photographer Guy Swarbrick recently got the opportunity to shoot the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, Scotland. Just before the games he took a delivery of Nikon's latest full-frame DSLR the D810, and in this article he shares his experiences of using the camera.


I’m unusual – but by no means unique – among sports photographers in shooting Raw plus (small, basic) JPEG. My workflow at events involves using the JPEGs to deliver timely content for online customers, then switching to the Raw files for print work. When the D800 came out I was tempted by the idea of using it as a high-resolution second body alongside my D4, to supplement my old D300. In the end though, I decided that the workflow for 36MP files was likely to be simply too slow and the amount of landscape work I did simply wouldn’t justify the expense.

By the time the D810 was announced, the D4S was my main camera, my D300 was broken and I was again considering a higher-resolution backup body. The two things that clinched the deal in favor of the D810 were the addition of the excellent Group Area AF mode from the D4S and my accreditation to the Commonwealth Games, with the prospect of some great backdrops at the mountain bike and road events.

The D810 arrived just over a week before the start of the Games, while I was covering some elite road races in Yorkshire. This gave me an opportunity to get used to the D810 and another recent addition to my camera bag, the 80-400 VRII. Quickly I was impressed by the flexibility that the D810 gave me, and at just how well it performed as an out-and-out sports camera. 

My first low-light experiment with the D810 – at Reading Track League the day before I drove to Glasgow – was really a 'no light' experiment – with the floodlights aimed over the velodrome and on to the running track. So, as a pre-cursor to what I intended to do at the mountain bike race at the Commies, I tried out my four-head Speedlight stand, which worked a treat. Sadly, I would get to the Games to discover that because of broadcast TV restrictions, flash was banned at all venues.

This shot was taken on the final day of practice at the velodrome in Glasgow. We got a chance to practice podium portraits with some visitors from the Commonwealth. This shot of Prince Charles was taken in 'Small' Raw mode.

Workflow was my main concern with the D810 and working with 36MP, Raw images is of course slow. In practice, though, while I did use DX crop mode a couple of times to 'pre-crop' images I knew I would have to tighten up in post, my JPEG now / Raw later workflow meant that file size was rarely an issue.

Even in Small Raw mode (9MP) and at relatively high (ISO 1600) ISO, the detail in images from the D810 is more than sufficient for most of the applications for which these images are likely to be used.

When shooting sport I shoot in either shutter priority or full manual mode, and almost always with ISO sensitivity set to 'Auto'. With the D810, I almost always use Group Area AF mode. 

I took the new Nikkor 80-400mm along to the velodrome as an experiment. I had my trusty 70-200mm in my bag and was pretty sure I would be switching to that after a few quick shots with the 80-400mm. In the end, the shorter lens didn’t come out of the bag until the mountain bike races, almost a week later.

This indoor shot demonstrates the AF performance in Group AF mode. It may look a fairly straight forward image but it’s actually shot from a very restricted photo position on the entry to the first bend and between the solid wooden fence and a steel rail. The gap is about 30cm, but you have to shoot down at an angle through it and there is a curved 'upright' joining the rail to the fence just to the rear of the rider in the shot.

Getting the shot here involved picking up the focus on the rider's head to the left of the upright – virtually head on – and panning 'through' the upright and following the rider as they transition on to the bend the D810 had no trouble locking and holding focus even in the relatively low light of the velodrome.

I took this shot at 1/400sec (ISO 800, F4.8) to allow for some blur on the wheels but give a good chance of a sharp image.

Podiums and medal ceremonies were what I expected to use the D810 for and it didn’t disappoint. The new 'highlight priority' spot metering – designed for theatrical work – did the trick here, too.

The lighting in the velodrome is aimed at the track surface, not the track centre, so the medal ceremonies tend to be a bit gloomy, making VR almost essential. This shot was taken at the long end of the 80-400mm at ISO 2800, 1/200sec at F5.3. In experiments shooting static subjects, I've found that the 80-400 is capable of producing sharp images at 400mm with shutter speeds as low as 1/10 sec.

For 60kph head on shots, like this one of New Zealand sprinter Stephanie Mackenzie, you really need to be at 1/500 sec or faster. In fact, to be absolutely sure, this one is at 1/800 sec – which at f5.6 required me to bump the ISO sensitivity up to 12,800. While there is some noise clearly visible at 100%, the text on the jersey is clearly legible and with 5678 pixels horizontally in this crop, you’d barely notice it on a double page spread – let alone the 1024 pixel web gallery it was shot for. 

The light in the velodrome is rather patchy and tends to pool. This DX crop image was shot at ISO 9000, at 1/640sec and F5.6. 

Another use for cropping of 'standard' images to provide a different product for the client.

This might look a like a studio closeup but it's actually a picture of New Zealand's Shane Archbold on the podium, at 400mm. Here I was working at ISO 14,400, hand-held at 1/640 sec.

This  2109 x 3169 pixel (6.6MP) crop is a great example of the flexibility the D810's resolution gives you.

The Commonwealth Games mountain bike venue had spectacular views over the city of Glasgow, but was challenging in terms of the amount of unattractive course furniture that intruded into almost every shot. Again, the huge resolution of the D810 allowed me to crop out the worst of it without losing important background features – like the rain shower over the city centre in this image.

The most interesting parts of the mountain bike course were also pretty gloomy – although not as dark as the velodrome. I used my 70-200mm here was used here because of its slight weight and size advantage over the 80-400mm. Shooting at 1/800 sec wide open at ISO 800 still left a little blur on the spokes but captured the texture of the dust thrown up from the wheels.

That dust coated every inch of my equipment, but didn't cause any obvious harm to the D810 – not even a speck on the sensor.

Road Time Trials are difficult to shoot at the best of times – with the fastest riders off last and a relatively short time to get to the finish, so those of us shooting the event alone were really limited to one of three shots – wide at the start ramp (a great shot but with limited places which meant that photographers were rotated in and out), long towards the start ramp and long at the finish.

The start ramp was in the centre of the Arch at the edge of Glasgow Green, which made a decent enough background – although the locals’ description of it as Glasgow's Arc de Triomphe was stretching things a little. This shot is a crop of the starting gate taken from my original capture with the 80-400mm at 110mm, 1/800 sec and F5.6.

What you want from a sports camera is the ability to capture the action – no matter where on the field of play it is or the form that it takes. In the game of hockey, the ball moves fast and freezing the spray from the water-soaked artificial turf in this shot required a high shutter speed of 1/2500 sec.

As with any field sport, it’s almost impossible for one photographer to cover both ends of the hockey pitch – and certainly not with only one camera. For the England vs New Zealand Women’s Hockey Semi-Final I again used the D810 and 80-400mm and positioned myself at the end that New Zealand was attacking.

The combination of the 80-400mm's telephoto reach and the D810's pixel count meant that I didn't have to miss the action at either end of the field.

Decisive moments are what sport is all about and this England goal in the penalty shoot-out – while not the final goal, was the most dramatic and illustrated the team's determination. Again, this is a tight crop with the D810 providing plenty of detail, but I also supplied looser crops of the same capture in case a picture editor might want to run the image across a spread with some text over the green of the field.

Heavy rain shows in the evening sessions at Hampden Park provided huge variation in lighting. This shot of Kwemoi of Kenya stumbling after having his heels clipped in the Men’s 1500m was an 'accident' – I had the D810 set up to capture the action at the pole vault at the opposite end of the stadium. Exposure settings of 1/1600 sec at F8, ISO 2000 wouldn't be my natural choice for this kind of shot but the high shutter speed does freeze the action nicely.

Another example of a fairly extreme crop – this time forced on me because as I mentioned in the previous slide, the pole vault competition was happening at the other end of the stadium. At 2199 pixels high, this image isn't as useful as it would have been had I gotten closer (or been able to shoot with a longer lens) but it could certainly run at full height on a single magazine page with a column of text alongside.

Cropping from the D810 isn’t just about achieving usable shots despite not being able to get in to the perfect position – it’s also about flexibility. Do you need a double page spread of the entire field in the 4x100m relay? Or just the podium positions? Or just Usain Bolt? No problem.

Here's the original full-resolution 36MP capture, from which the above crop is taken.

The isolated Bolt pic is ‘only’ 1662 pixels tall – good for about 14cm at 300dpi – but for many sports and news publications, that’s plenty.

And yes, the D810 is water resistant. On a day when planes were diverted from Glasgow airport and only 12 of the 139 starters finished the race, the camera (and the non-wholly-internal-zooming 80-400) performed flawlessly.

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NSyncPhoto

Good article and insight. We primarily shoot cycling, triathlon, and running events. Because of the amount of shooters we use and supplying their equipment, we use D200's and D300's exclusively. Group Dynamic focusing with lock-on tracks just fine with high speed cyclists. All my guys/gals use manual mode with auto-iso on using spot metering and have no issues. Sure, the D200's iso of 1600 can get a bit noisy, but ok for column prints. High iso is still unusable (Hi1, Hi2). Since we shoot in Fine mode and at 10mp, filesize and workflow isn't a problem either. Don't think were going to upgrade equipment anytime soon either. Just goes to show that a intimate knowledge of our tools can and will get the job done.

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Shella

i love cycling photography so much

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munro harrap

Well nothing with a mirror that goes up and down between exposures actually does this very well, however much you pay.
There are very serious inherent problems and stated frames per second are not in fact as claimed. One has to assume, wrongly I feel, that during the time of mirror- blackout between shots that the lens is refocussing, but this must be the case when adding mirror blackout times to exposure times. Given the lag inherent whilst the mirror goes up and then down the fastest rates can therefore only be achieved at very high shutter speeds, but in a best case, in theory the Canon SHOULD be twice as fast as the D810 Nikon. Whether either or both focus track what you want infocus is another thing! Prefocussed the lag on a D810 is still less than the 7DII, but not by much, but with a cheeter charging at me, I'd be way too scared !! Which is the best for self defence?

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Guy Swarbrick

Having just spent a weekend trying to do the same thing with (one of) the mirroless cameras that claims to have the fastest AF in the world, I can assure you that a mirror going up and down between exposures still wins - by a HUGE margin.

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Johnny Braggo

Im afraid I'm going to have to disagree too! Taken away from a studio into the real world,even the best Mirrorless today,couldn't even touch an Older body like the 7D with a 70-200 2.8L II.Take both combinations into a dimly lit arena and the SLR would floor the Mirrorless.Simply Put,That "Flapping Mirror" and Prism allow for Totally separate sensors for auto focus and metering,and allowing it all to instantaneously work separately but together,instantly.This is why less than perfect lighting conditions also cause Mirrorless cameras big issues.I personally think SLRs are far from a dying breed.Having said that,what Sony and Fuji have done,is to be respected-and they make magnificent cameras,for certain applications they make an ideal choice.But not sports,not by a long shot-and we haven't even touched Durability etc.Then we come on to the buffer,something which in my opinion crippled the D800E for any action sequences,glad to see Nikon have improved it in the D810.

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Hibiscusbloom

Would anyone recommend the d810 over the 7d2 for high action photography? The former would have better iq for sure but it's the accuracy and tracking abilities that I am interested in. Is the d810 capable of nailing 100% of the shots in, say, a cheetah racing towards the camera at 70mph even at 6fps or 7fsp? Will the 7d2 also nail them at 100%? If both do 100%, then there is a difference of 3fsp; the d810 with better iq and the 7d2 with three extra frames to choose from (which can be crucial is selecting the ultimate frame). That said, if both are equally capable in acquiring 100% frame rate, the d810 allows for crazy enlargements; not that the 7d2 is not capable unless one is pixel peeping. Can the d810 match the 7d2 in accuracy and tracking abilities, putting aside that extra three frames?

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Guy Swarbrick

Personally, I'd buy a D4S for that.

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tbcass

Shooting bicycles, field Hockey and Track and Field is easy compared to Basketball where there is constant change of direction and people moving in and out of the scene. I've shot Baseball, Soccer, Lacrosse, bicycles, Hockey and Basketball. I find Basketball the hardest by far.

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Guy Swarbrick

If there had been any basketball at the Commonwealth Games I could have gone. As there wasn't...

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Segaman

Bicycle are not easy, it needs a fast focus cause it keeps moving at you, and the moment you snap it, the rider is already out of focus cause he is going at full speed.
It all depends of lens, condition and type of pics you want to take, in all fields

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tbcass

The reason I said easy is because the movement is predictable. As long as the camera focuses fast enough (continuously) it's easy. Of course that eliminates most mirrorless cameras but with most DSLR type cameras it's easy and takes little skill. It takes a better focusing camera and lens yet for basketball for the reasons I already mentioned.

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Guy Swarbrick

You've not shot a lot of cycling, have you? There are all sorts of reasons why it's difficult for an AF system to cope well with it, but the most significant is the depth of the target. Unlike a field sports player, a cyclist has a bicycle which sticks out a couple of feet ahead of them, the furthest forward part of which they hold on to. In very, very good light it's all within the depth of field, so if the AF grabs at an arm or a handlebar stem it doesn't matter too much. Indoors it matters enormously.

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tbcass

I'll admit I've never photographed bicycles indoors so you have a point. If I did I'd probably use spot focus or a closely bunched zone and aim for the face.

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Guy Swarbrick

And a superb AF system would lock on the face and hold it. The D4S does; the D4 doesn't do nearly so well; the D810 is somewhere in between.

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Don Romano

Nothing about sport panning shots?

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Guy Swarbrick

Image 5 is a panning shot. The point of the article, though, wasn't to provide a sports tutorial and motion blurred panning shots - while they require a lot of practice to do well - aren't a particularly good test of a camera. In fact, if I found myself at an event with a camera with low IQ and/or poor ISO performance a slow shutter speed, motion blur panning shot would probably the best option given the limitations of the equipment. They have their place, but, personally, I don't think they would have added anything to what was essentially a camera test.

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zakk9

The D810 does have an advantage for pan shots though: The possibility of going to very low ISO 32 negates the need for ND filters when doing pan shots at very slow shutter speeds.

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Craig49

Remarkable captures. Inspirational quality.

Thanks to Mr. Swarbrick for sharing.

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cannotshoot

Nice photos. In some photos, if you view in full res there's noise.

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Guy Swarbrick

Of course The question is how much noise there would have been with a different camera and whether it would have caught and held the focus in the available light.

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tbcass

Yet another view at gigantic full resolution noise addict!!! Do you realize how huge a full res 36mp image is?

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Saffarinia

Sharp photos at relatively medium ISO with some noise that may have been associated with your shooting angle. Migrating from D700 to D810 still under consideration for me.

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Pat Cullinan Jr

I think Guy Swarbrick deserves a round of applause from everyone for the generosity with which he gave his time and bestowed his expertise in answering so many of our posts. His professionalism at all levels is plain to see.

Thank you very much, Guy.

--Pat Cullinan, Jr.

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lindseyp

#12 is a great photo, IMO. Getting that water spray adds to the intensity.

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Guy Swarbrick

Thanks - I know almost nothing about hockey, so I was pretty much shooting blind. I had been briefed about the water, though and it was a good tip!

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Mikael Risedal

compared to what? " I think you force use D810 in indoor sports photography."
The IQ in d810 is better at 25600iso than canon 6D at 25600iso
and 6D is better than 5dmk3, not bad for a camera with highest resolution, best DR at base iso and now also good as or even better than 5dmk3 , 6D at 25600iso, just finished a test between my 6D and d810
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54214812

Ps how often do you use 25600iso when you are shooting indoors sport?
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Reality Check

While your perception of IQ (each persons that is) can certainly be a relevant assessment of performance, you could not be honest if you did not acknowledge there is also a percentage of that perception (a significant % for some people) that is nothing more than what you 'want' to see as opposed to what you can 'actually' see.

To quote a debated source (though universally referenced when it agrees with someone's point) 'a measurement difference of approximately one point is imperceptible.' Therefore the 'less than' one point higher measurements (DR only) of the D8xx do not actually yield a better looking image, and that ~.5ev gain at base ISO doesn't make up for the lower measurements in SNR, TR, CS at base ISO and beyond. Its pixel count does certainly yield a 'bigger' image, but not a 'better' image - unless of course bigger is needed over better.

Many cameras out there provide higher IQ than the D8xx series beyond ~.5ev of DR at base ISO, and all measurements of IQ at higher ISO.

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Wubslin

I know someone shooting roller derby (indoors, fast action, poor lighting) who would definitely be interested.

But he still uses Canon... I wonder why that would be.

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StrongArm

I think you force use D810 in indoor sports photography.

If you intend to advertise the strengths of D810, you should pick the photos in outdoor sports photography, not indoor photography.

As you know, D810 has very high pixel densities so noise tends to increase dramatically as ISO speed ratings is increased.

You show the weakness of D810 using your indoor sports photography...

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Guy Swarbrick

It's true that - all other things being equal - higher pixel densities mean that noise increases as ISO speed ratings increase. Other things aren't necessarily equal, though.
Here's how the D810 does against it's close rivals - look at the Sports low light ISO rating (higher is better...)
http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Nikon-D810-sensor-review-New-DxOMark-leader/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-D810-has-slight-advantage-over-nearest-rival

...but more importantly, look at it vs other cameras where indoor sports photography is absolutely what they're designed for. You would expect the D4s to outperform it and it does. Nothing else comes close. But vs Canon's 1Dx, the D810 wins...
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Nikon-D4s-versus-Canon-EOS-1Dx___963_945_753

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Reality Check

Not to play the proverbial Devils Advocate.. but you are 'quoting' data that is nothing more than a theoretical mathematical hypothesis of (high ISO) performance when applied to (base ISO) measurements - not - a physical measurement taken at those (high ISO) settings.

If you look at the physical sensor measurements taken across the ISO ranges (not the hypothetical theoretical mathematically downsampled scores) the 5D3, along with many other cameras, has higher IQ measurements (including DR) above 'base ISO' than the D8xx. (in the case of the A7S, those 'higher ISO' measurements start as low as ~ISO140)

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HFLM

RealityCheck: Do you refer to overall scores or the measurements? Sure, a higher MPix camera has lower S/N and DR per pixel. But we know, too, that downsizing increases both. 5DM3 measurements are even lower at pixel levels below ISO800. Above a certain ISO a camera designed for low light shooting like the A7s will be better, but up to ISO12800 downsized to 12MP a 5DM3 or D810 or A7r can easily compete (dppreview itself showed a comparison recently). So you need to make a choice which camera suits your needs best. For me a D810 is perfect, for other an A7s might do it.

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Guy Swarbrick

There are pictures of their hypothetical model here...

http://www.dxomark.com/About/In-depth-measurements/Measurements

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Reality Check

The actual measurements (taken at the sensor level) which physically dictate/limit any resulting output, not merely contribute to it.

At the sensor is the only point at which DxO actually measures the image data - everything else DxO publishes, including their scores/rankings, are theoretical and based on perceptually flawed mathematics. For example, if color depth is increased in printing/downsizing ('normalizing' as DxO commonly references) that is something being done by the print engine or software, not what the sensor is doing. While that could certainly be relevant for some, especially if using hardware/software capable of producing those same enhancements, not everyone uses the same hardware/software. It is simply an inaccurate method of evaluation in the context of what DxO provides - in-depth, technology evaluation, applicable to all - and certainly not the empirical results they tout.

They are simply trying to sell software, their software, and so few seem to realize that.

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Reality Check

As you mention though, and as even I have stated before, if the output serves ones needs, if it provides one the ability to express themselves, that is what matters most in the end to each person.. =)

(though it doesn't change what is technically going on) ;)

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tbcass

How did photographers manage to get such great indoor sports shots 8 years ago with equipment much inferior to the D810? Just because a camera isn't the absolute best at something doesn't mean it cannot achieve excellent results. I think some people tend to get overly anal in their quest for IQ perfection without realizing something a little less still is great.

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Mikael Risedal

well compared to Canons best cameras the D810 impresses huge in terms of DR , IQ , resolution etc etc

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Wubslin

No. Still not buying one. Not impressed at all.

Does it even focus properly, or is this miracle of technology too far beyond Nikon?

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Eyeglass10101

Please give further details in how your experience with the D810 has not lived up to your technical know-how of proper focusing. How do you shoot sports? Explain your reasoning.

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Eyeglass10101

Do you use a certain tracking feature on your current DSLR that is far superior? Or do you prefer the tried and true method of single point panning? Please I am dying to know your answer.

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Guy Swarbrick

> Does it even focus properly

Yes. Yes, it does.

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Wubslin

@Eyeglass10101: Nikon's AF may be terminally broken but my sarcasm detector is in perfect working order.

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tbcass

Ah, a Canon fanboy shill.

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Wubslin

@tbcass: Hardly. I don't have a digital camera, and wouldn't consider buying a Canon either. Keep playing though, it's fun.

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MikeF4Black

I traded in my one and a half year old D800 for a discounted new D800E yesterday. I must be the only person on earth to do that.

Reasons? The AF of this particular sample of the E seemed a lot more accurate and reliable than my 800's. Slightly more acuity to the images. Uhh...

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davids8560

I'm thinking of getting a used D300 or D300S. I just want a decent Nikon. And I can only spend so much. But if I did get a D300 and then by chance got a chance somehow to use this camera, how sorry would I be?

Thanks.

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Guy Swarbrick

It depends what you're going to use them for. I loved my D200, before I got my D3, and got some great images with it. When I replaced it with a D300S I was somewhat disappointed - not because it wasn't better than the D200 - it clearly was - but at just how far off the D3's performance it was, particularly indoors.

If it's going to be for general purpose use it'll be fine - they're both good cameras. If you're going to be doing any indoor sport, I'd look at a used D3 or D700 rather than a D300/s.

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achilles1974

I am upgrading from a D3, lightly used, to the D4S. If you are interested in the D3, let me know. I'll make you a great deal. Sports photography is my passionate hobby. My career is in Finance. I don't need a financial return from photography, so I can let it go cheap. I get all my gear from B&H. Jason Vance.

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jljones

Are all the images above jpegs straight from the camera?

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Guy Swarbrick

No, none of them are - they're all RAW files output from Lightroom. That's what I typically send my clients, so I have no interest in how good or otherwise the OOC JPGs might be (other than how close they are to what I might send my client for immediate use at the venue, obviously, but that's typically 800 pixel wide web images anyway... they barely need to be in focus.).

I know it's an oft-requested thing in reviews, but in practice, even on the rare occasions I send a client a file straight out of the camera, it won't be with the default JPG settings. Contrast, sharpening and D-Lighting will almost certainly have been changed from the defaults.

And I wasn't resetting all of that for a major championships to provide default JPGs for an article (that I didn't know I was writing when I started!). :)

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Guy Swarbrick

I still have all the OOC JPGs, if anyone is interested - with those caveats...

Note also the discussion elsewhere on spot metering. It's the best way to get accurate exposures on the riders if you can nail the head, but with some kits - all black and all white, in particular, a couple of cm out and you'll be under or over by a stop or more, which obviously has to be corrected in post and is much easier to do with the RAW file.

Often what you'll find is a sequence of four or five frames with a rider moving towards you with one or two slightly off on the exposure and the rest spot on...

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jljones

Just wondered - I only shoot RAW ... no call for jpegs in what I do. Will be getting an 810 in due course...

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Guy Swarbrick

I may dig a few out, just for my own amusement.

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MPA1

I have to agree with Guy here. I have never sent a client (commercial & documentary work) a OOC jpeg yet. I do not really know why the professional level cameras even have the option to shoot them to be honest. I'd love a Nikon camera with RAW only, no video, an F3 HP style high eye point finder and inbuilt GPS.
On the rare occasion I have shot both, the OOC is never as good as what I can achieve in LR or similar and I am no great expert in LR.

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jljones

As I mentioned, never use jpegs and rarely use the option in camera. Pro cameras keep it in for the sports people who have to send images at half time say... makes sense for them.

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Guy Swarbrick

To be clear, I do send edited JPGs for time sensitive clients, which is why I use a RAW+JPG workflow, but very rarely send a JPG straight OOC.

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munro harrap

There are other things you can do to maximize the already wonderful IQ. If you have a D800 and want to get rid of the low-pass filtering as best you can, Photoshop and Capture NX2 have in their sharpening software a section called "gaussian blur" (Elements has Gaussian Blur, then Lens Blur and then Botion Blur).

Best to do your noise reduction BEFORE sharpening, then simply zero the gaussian blur (which is 0% and 100 I think in Elements) and you will notice that your image does in fact then resolve more without sharpening, giving you a "Poor Man's" D810 effect on a D800, though not as good as the D810's hardware absence of low-pass filter.

This only works if your noise floor is reduced below the visible threshold, as otherwise you of course then get higher resolution noise as well!

Best at lower ISOs for 2 metre wide gallery prints. (Painting really IS dead now!!)

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munro harrap

With the resolution at APS-C crop almost the same as the D4s, I never understood why people were still prepared to use them rather than the D800, so it is what I decided to get. The D810 reputedly has a stop noise advantage over the "old" machine. If this is the case, there is now even less need for D4s and their Canon equivalents, as at the same magnification you will not notice a lot of difference and with the group AF reintroduced, I can only envy those who waited!!
The Group AF and the extra stop are the clinchers for me, as resolution vanishes when noise gets to equal fine detail in size- why I returned my D300 in disgust.

But how are the orange-reds?? and the shocking pinks? I am still not happy with the colour in these areas at all. Identical subjects with a NEX7 are so much more colour accurate.

The D800s I have used simply cannot do reds properly at all

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Guy Swarbrick

I didn't particularly like the JPG rendition of the red in the England cycling jerseys in the velodrome, but I initially put that down to the lighting and, when the Lightroom upgrade came in towards the end of the week the RAW files seemed OK. The England hockey shorts and the Virgin Media logos behind them look about right.

Don't think I saw much in the way of shocking pink.

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munro harrap

Using RAW in Lightroom the files are inaccurately rendered compared to Capture NX2 which does do a better job, but after two years with a D800 I have had to give up on colour accuracy here in Cardiff- and you can imagine what that does to festival carnival and- in your area- the rugby shirts and associated gear- its as bad as using a 1Ds MkII again. I chose a NEX7 over the new one as I checked out files online whose tests again showed that as with the D800 , the A6000 reds go too orange. You notice this much less in jpeg files rendered as sRGB but if you use Adobe RGB like me, your troubles are eternal. I am sure there is a firmware fix possible- as the NEX7 sensor is about the same date as the D800's but you will find that you had better set the camera to neutral and minus 2 saturation in picture controls.IF, that is the D810 colour is the same as the D800.

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Guy Swarbrick

Thanks - I'll play around with it.

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Low Budget Dave

Comments on DP Review crack me up sometimes. When someone posts a stunning image, about half the comments are about the camera. When someone posts an image to illustrate a camera feature, we write in with questions about the subject.

When someone posts a photo that simply could not be taken (at all) with traditional cameras, someone will write in to claim it could have been taken with their camera phone.

Indoor sports pics are about the most demanding thing you can do with a camera, unless you are using it to hammer in your tent stakes. The need to focus fast in low light reduces most cameras to tears. Freezing the action (or shooting handheld) with a boatload of pixels leaves the tears blurry and black-and-white..

Delta 3200 (35mm) film used to have a nice gritty look to it. You could push it to 6400, and it wasn't great, but still had more texture and "feel" than almost any digital. Not so any more. The high ISO files you published had a lot more to work with than even high-ISO film.

Now I want an 810. It is out of my price range for an "armature" photographer, but nice to know it can jump through hoops when needed. Thanks for the article.

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Peter K Burian

I am also testing the D810 and it is a fabulous camera and performed well during BMX races and a cycle road race. The 5fps drive speed is better than 4fps, but still a tad slow.

In my view, it's the kind of camera I would want as an extra body (to the D4s) when shooting aspects at an event that do not require high speed drive. But I still wonder why 36 megapixels would be required for most sports event photography. (Why buy a 36MP camera to shoot 9MP RAW files?) Of course, it's not billed as a sports photography camera and would be ideal for wedding photography, for example. (I know several wedding pros who use the D800.)

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Guy Swarbrick

That's kind of where I stood with the D810 before the test. There are some subjects that lend themselves to big files - I expect to use it in the Brecons ffor the Junior Tour of Wales in a couple of weeks to do some 'race through landscape' images that I wouldn't previously have bothered with - but I think for me it's the ability to shoot wide and have the option to crop tight and the ability to shoot in DX and get the 'crop factor' but still at D4-type resolution.

And if it genuinely ends up being a backup for the D4s, you can always squeeze and extra fps or two out with crop modes and the grip...

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HarryLally

Are you the Guy Swarbrick that used to edit PCW? (And very well, may I say). Interesting that you've gone down the photography route, as has another PCW ex-editor Gordon Laing who runs his CamerLabs website from Queenstown, NZ.

Very good article BTW.

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MikeF4Black

Guy, the Junior Tour of Wales should make for some great images! Small riders against an overpowering background, threatening weather, rays of sunshine. Could you let us know where we can see them?

Cheers,

Michiel

P.s.: I used to ride criteriums in Holland, and once (many years ago) raced in England (Surrey League) and Wales (near Llangollen).

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Guy Swarbrick

HarryLally - Aaaargh! Can I never escape!? I left 22 years ago! But yes, that was me. One of the best jobs I've ever had. I made a few mistakes... including hiring Gordon! :)

He's still running CameraLabs but is now back in the UK (when he's not travelling). Great bloke.

MikeF4Black - The JToW is a great event. The pics will be at britishcycling.org.uk

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AKH

You could get 6 fps in 1.2x mode or 7 fps in DX-mode.

Set auto focus setting a6 to off and you will get a grayed out frame, making the cropped frame much easier to use.

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Guy Swarbrick

You do need to be using an EN-EL18a battery or AAs in the grip, though, bizarrely...

The a6¦off tip is a good one - thanks.

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AnHund

You are welcome Guy and you are absolutely right about the batteries, just forgot to mention it.

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Gordon Laing - Camera Labs

HarryLally I think there were so many Editors of PCW that two of us would eventually share the same job again! And yes it was Guy who hired me back in 1992, giving me my first job in journalism, which eventually lead onto my current career reviewing cameras (now back in the UK after a while in NZ).

I'm also really enjoying Guy's work on Facebook, especially when he ditches his big DSLRs for more svelte mirrorless models and finds they can sometimes deliver fantastic results in a pro sporting environment... Great article here too Guy, and well done on dealing with the comments!

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Guy Swarbrick

Thanks Gordon.

I'll be completely neutral about it if I can ever 'ditch the DLSRs' for something better, but we're a long, long way from that.

Playing with the X-T1 in practice sessions and at Track League isn't the same as using it commercially 'in a pro sporting environment'. I didn't even take the Fujis to the Commies.

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billslatteryjr

Thanks for the review Guy. I shoot a bunch of different sports for 2 local newspapers mostly with a D4. Like you I shoot in raw and basic JPG and find the new 80-400 an outstanding versatile daylight sports lens. But I'm tired of the D4 drawing attention to me, no way I'm getting the just as loud D4S, and I'm thinking on sacrificing the extra FPS for a D810. What else do you think one would lose going from a D4 to a D810 for varied sports use? I already have a D800.

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Guy Swarbrick

A little bit of ergonomics, workflow (unless you shoot small RAW/DX crop most of the time) and AF ability - although with a D4 rather than a D4s you gain Group AF, so it's not all bad news.

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EricCul

Great article. Thanks for taking the time to let us know of your experience with the Nikon D810.

The camera and photos are indeed so good, that it brings out a mean streak in some armchair photographers. :)

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papa natas

I would strongly recommend to visit Mr. Swarbrick's on line portfolio.
A man of many moods, a photographer worth of positive value.
But above all: a Gentleman.

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