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The X-T1 is Fujifilm's first weather-resistant interchangeable X-series camera. It is built around a 16.3 MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS II sensor housed in a die-cast magnesium body. Offering a traditional design with five physical top plate dials, two command dials, and six programmable function buttons the X-T1 also has a high resolution OLED viewfinder.
In the latest in our series of real-world video tests, we took the X-T1 to a local studio, to see how it would perform in the hands of a professional fashion and portrait photographer.
It was a little humorous to see Barney describing some technical features to the photographer as her eyes glazed over. You could almost hear her thinking "Just give me the darn camera and let me take pictures." Dpreview attracts serious camera geeks (like myself) but many pro photographers are more like Olivia.
Very nice Barney, quite funny too. Did you actually give up on the 56mm AF or was it just simpler to work manually? I know that modelling lights are not usually all that bright.
I wonder what other cameras DPreview team has in the pipeline for Real World Test series. Would love to see more of these tests that seek to challenge common preconceptions in photography whilst reviewing some of the more interesting aspects of the products at the same time. I enjoy this review a lot (and the Samsung NX1 test), having said that, I personally think that it would be great if the review could dial up the criticism a little. I'm sure that both the NX1 & XT1 are wonderful cameras for professionals; I think it'd be valuable to highlight the various limitations one might encounter when adopting the reviewed systems.
"I personally think that it would be great if the review could dial up the criticism a little. I'm sure that both the NX1 & XT1 are wonderful cameras for professionals; I think it'd be valuable to highlight the various limitations one might encounter when adopting the reviewed systems."
VERY GOOD POINT
I have actually voice this in comments in both video. Interesting how both NX1 and X-T1 had been criticize on their AF system and yet DPR seems to just brush through it.
Having said that source from an Australia company who also do video reviews told me that most of the time such videos has some degree of manufacturer involvement So it is also not feasible for them to have heavy criticize comment. Then again Digitakrev and TCS has done it many times and so as Matt Granger. I wonder why.
Such videos are not easy to make, may be a little scripted and a very easy to criticize. A few hours guided tour of a camera is not a very long time to become familiar with the equipment and to learn how/what to hate about it. It's a chance for an artist that is probably only used to some ancient canon DSLR technology to experience something new.
Pretty nicely produced segment... Kinda surprised a pro found the Wi-Fi feature that appealing, tho it's something I really dig too, possibly took to it more cause she's younger? My biggest takeaway as far as in studio shooting was how personable she was, which I'm sure helps immensely in connecting with the subject... No amount of tech helps there!
I still wish Fuji would have gone with 2nd gen X-tran sensor but I guess it have to be pushed back for X-Pro2. Still, as a X-E1 user, I feel I don't trust Fuji cameras as much as I would Olympus and Nikon. The AF is not as great and Fuji have some eccentricity with its menu and file name.
Good to hear many of you have moved from heavy hitting SLR's and Medium format to the Fuji and are happy. Once I find a Raw converter I''m comfortable with I should be joining the happy Fuji club. As it is I'm pretty happy, even with just the Jpegs. But I miss the latitude one gets in editing Raws. I don't care what anyone says, I virtually never have any OOC images that I don't feel is improved with some tweaking/editing and Jpegs have very limited room in that regard.
DP Review, why is the 7D Mark II review out already while the XT1 , D810 and the D750 reviews are still taking time ? Is it because the 7D is easier to test ?
Barney to you and your guests/colleagues who make these video reviews possible, a great Thanks from me! They get to the heart of the equipment far better than the normal reviews, which I still appreciate.
Liked the video very much, but would have liked to see the result of the post-processing and some of the range of the RAW. Barney mentions it has plenty of latitude but we are left with nothing to evidence this.
BTW, that is an awfully dark thumbnail you used for the teaser. You might consider brightening it up.
Enjoyed the video. Bit of a puff piece. Would any pro really use instead of a full frame for their own paid work? Is the Fuji any better or worst than say the Oly 10 or what ever is the competing model? Anyway I did enjoy.
Own the XT-1, do mostly travel and landscape work, still trying to get the best from the camera. Great Jpegs best I have seen. Canon Jpegs suck big time. Still need to find a good Raw converter, any advise is appreciated. As a long time Canon user always shot and worked with Raw.
Any camera can be professionally usable nowadays if a) you don't need very fast AF b) you don't need exotic focal length or lens speed c) you can live with limited accessories support.
Currently fuji don't have 14-24/24-70/70-200 2.8 equivalents, and continuous focusing is not up most SLRs, and flash support is also quite terrible. For landscape photography they can be negligible, but for some other field it can matter a lot.
Irident RAW Developer, if you're the Mac Guy....or RAW Therapee (OpenSource - free of charge) should work great for FUJIs X-Trans Sensor...Windows 64bit, of course. ;)
I haven't used Irident as the previous poster, but I have used several others for Mac. The best detail in landscapes and skin color have come from Capture One for me. I don't absolutely love the asset management it has, but it does have a difference in quality over Lightroom or Aperture. Silkypix makes beautiful files, but I want to bang my head against a wall using it and waiting for it to do it's thing. Lastly, Lightroom 5.7 has narrowed the gap to just a bit less than Capture One 8 I feel. Much better than previous versions.
@peterwr: Now there are lots of articles on equivalence out now showing it's NOT only DOF being affected. Exposure isn't e.th., S/N ratio is another factor. At f2.8 the FF lens gathers more photons (larger sensor) than the APSC lens. If you only work in studio at f8, it doesn't really matter.
I have had the X-T1 since the day it was released and have loved every minute with it. My other camera system is a Hasselblad H3D and more and more I am putting it down and picking the Fuji up. Today I picked up the 50-140...all I can say is WOW. That lens is SHARP and the Bokeh is nothing short of DREAMY! Best telephoto I have ever owned, and I have owned plenty!
XT-1 is nice and all but I think it's still seriously overpriced. Should be similar to a6000 ($700-800 range at most) considering it only has 16MP APS sensor and lacks IBIS.
Nothing really wrong with 16mp sensor. In the sense the dF/D4/D4S should be lower than the asking price because of just having a 16mp sensor and the A7S should be lower as well because of the 12mp sensor (compared to other FF cameras)?
Higher resolution is always better given everything else being equal. Nikon always priced 'X' series higher than non-X or 'H' series for their pro models, even though higher-resolution 'X' model usually have slower shoot shooting speed (D1x, D2x and D3x). If they released a 24MP or 36MP D4X, it would be priced higher than regular D4 series.
And sony DID priced A7R (higher MP, no PDAF, slower shooting) higher than A7. A7S is a special version with much better movie capability than regular A7, unlike all-around flagship model as XT-1.
Like what...because their sensor is too big? or have too many mpx??
For me I would love to liberate my shutter by the high ISO of the body. I initially get caught with the "clean" Fuji stuff. More study and compassion you do and you will agree that Fuji just apply heavy NR by default.
I wonder why sony is keep slashing the prices, but that is actually good for customers. I have found that it is extremely hard to see another fellow fuji user around yet (and I have seen tons of nex users and some tens of A7 users so far)
Look the clean files from Fuji aren't just noise reduction.....look how good the new sony 12mp is at high ISO...
With current sensor tech the lower mp sensors have less noise...just like the d7100, which I owned has more noise than the 16 mp d7000 it replaced...There are real trade offs with higher MP with current sensor tech.
There is noise and there is detail. Purpose of a RAW file is to retain the detail and let the user control the noise in post. Also pixel count doesn't always mean more noise. Take a look at this:
One of my favorite spot on the test scene. See how the D750 is cleaner and retain more detail. I would say the A72 has about the same amount noise to XT1 but retain more detail. D7100 while noiser (just by a bit), again more detail.
Since 6400 is as far as Xtrans can go. you can compare recent releases in the test scene and you will realize how much detail is gone.
One more thing see how the Xtrans2 sensor render the red strings..OMG what happen there??
Comparing cameras with similar sensor size, I certainly would expect a very well-built, weather-sealed prosumer body to be more expensive than a mid-range, non-sealed body, which is what the A6000 is. If build quality and ruggedness isn't that important, then certainly the A6000 offers better value for money, considering its great IQ and AF performance.
Another well developed story team Dpr! Really like you guys bringing out new stuff in more ways .. Different than general blogs .. better than youtube reviews ..
Is that the best you can do is to put out a 15 minute video on the XT-1? How many people are interested in THAT camera? There must be some other interesting cameras that could be chronicled that more people are interested in :/
That camera is old news and the percentage of people who own it and/or are interested in it is minuscule. Please try to keep up with more current cameras that people are actually interested in, thank you.
Wow that comment seems just a little narcissistic. "Please only show videos of the camera I am interested in." As if there isn't 1000 other videos of every CaNikon ever made.
Fun, informative video. Good job Barney! I've been feeling really good about my purchase of the XT1 and the 18-135 last week. As Barney and the fashion photographer found, there's a lot to love about the Fuji. Even the recessed buttons and dial locks work just fine for me! Worth every penny.
Olivia is SERIOUSLY HOT!!! (I need to go out more.. I know)
Now on to the serious stuff. I hear you mention you shoot at ISO 400, isn't that affecting your DR since maximum DR for Xtrans sensor starts at ISO 800. Since you shoot RAW, I assume you use LR5. Most Fuji shooter can't get the best sharpness with LR5. Did you over come that problem?? Also you guys don't find the "Processed RAW" from Fuji a problem?
The controls on the X-T1 is excellent though. All the essential dials on the top ready for access. I think this is one of it key attraction.
Although not direct related to this shooting. It would be nice if you can mention the hunting problem of the AF system in AFC mode. This is actually the main reason stop me from upgrading from my X-E1.
Also Fuji need to price its product better. Currently X-T1 w XF 18-55mm goes for au$1,635.00 while I can get the brand new A7ii with 28-70 for au$1739 another reason stop me from upgrading..in fact thinking of switching.
Sony A7ii is nice but Sony doesn't have the zooms to compete with Fuji. I know because I have both platforms and move back and forth between them. Sony does have a nice series of APSC primes though.
APSC Vs FF Lens arguments will never end, just a dew comment up: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2224400831/real-world-test-shooting-fashion-with-the-fujifilm-x-t1?comment=7290364351
but that is the only we can compare....
Not sure pricing else where but Sony Australia has put A7(s) pricing on Nitrous. As I wrote b4 the A7 kit is 1075 the 70-200 F4 is 1399 so just under 2.5K while the X-T1 is 1635, add he XF 50 140 @ 1799 come to 3.5K. A whopping 1K difference. At 35eq the two set spec is very similar. Now be fair if you have this price in fornt of you. What will you pick??
Unfortunately, I'm just returning a Sony 70-200 F4. The performance was pretty disappointing. I may try another copy. The Sony 24-70 kit zoom lens is actually very good, on par with the Fuji 18-55 zoom kit lens. I paid less for the A7 kit than I did for the X-T1 body. :-(
The focus performance of the A7 is not nearly as good as the X-T1.
Really!!! That is interesting intel. I original have plan to purchase the X-T1 when Christmas sale comes (Body at about 1K) and I have 3 x-mount lens. Or I can switch and sell all my Fuji gear. What is your opinion since you have both??
I bought an A6000 along with the A7 thinking I would migrate away from Fuji but the excellent Fuji zoom lenses have kept me in the Fuji camp. The 55-200 punches way above it's weight class. Just picked up a Fuji 10-24 and have been enjoying the heck out it. If Sony ever catches up with zoom lenses I will switch but by then Fuji might have a 24Mp body.
The other thing that has impressed me with Fuji is how well it works on full auto. My partner uses the X-T1 with all the dials turned to the red A mode and gets great pictures.
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I bought the A6000 because it's tracking performance is supposed to be better than the X-T1. It is, but I don't find it's single shot performance to be any better and in fact it is worse in low light vs. the X-T1. The Fuji X-T1, coupled with the 55-200 is a very quick camera. The A7 has dismal focus tracking performance compared to the X-T1, let alone the A6000.
Is there some reason that the brand on all the totally obviously identifiable items in this are covered with gaff tape? I SORT of get it with street photography but what's the motivation here?
Why should you need permission to photograph something you own? I think it is more related to not giving away free advertising. Product placement is an entire industry.
Fujis feel really good in the hand. I've shot with the X100 and really liked it. The skin tones are also very good right out of the box. If I didn't print huge, I'd shoot with it exclusively.
Why not? i think both of the guys, namely Olivia and Barney did a great job here, explaining & showing things, how it works. Also, i've found the model shots came out quite nice, too.
Very good video - more DPRVideo stuff about practical Camera use, guys! That's much better than just a typical review with all the pro and contra. Yes, it's more costly, but it'll be nice *if* DPR would do videos like that for instance added to a specific DSLR or DSLM review...so that the interested user can also see how it'll work in real life circumstances.
For example, you also don't buy a car just by looking at it, or at the facts - and/or the reviews, you want to take place behind the steering wheel and give your object of desire a spin, and take a ride to check it out.
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Funny how Olivia is a beautiful woman who could clearly be the model and yet she is the photographer. I am sure that people think of me in that way when I am behind the camera...Not!
I thought the same, and i'm not cute enough for in-front of camera work, i feel mostly uncomfortable, but otherwise i feel way nice when i have the gear into my hand and photograph just the things that i like - as a amateur. barney looks better then me, i'm not the guy for shots like that. :)
What i do love onto the X-T1 is it's classical DSLR design, lots of external, direct controls, with a great viewfinder..that's simply priceless. Sad, but true...native Fuji XF lenses aren't cheap - and they're the E-Mount advantage in terms of cheap adapters from xy to NEX/E-Mount, because of that i went this route with Sony then.
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Great work dpr. The XT 1 is a beautiful camera but still expensive. I wonder how the mirror less cameras are expensive and near the price of some wonderful full frame cameras. Still wondering why manufacturers of mirror less cameras insist on the small size of the body whereas the lenses are huge.
1. The price is determined by the market. Every company will try to get the highest profit they can with any product, so they will price the cameras as high as the market can bear.
2. There are also both large bodies and small lenses available for the mirrorless systems. Anyone can find whatever feels great in their hands.
Is that true that the X-TRANS sensor becomes ISOless from 400 on? (By ISOless, I mean there is no noise penalty if we increase exposure in post rather than increasing sensitivity in camera while shooting).
@helltormentor That's not what Barney said at all. He said that she didn't have to worry about slight underexposure, since there's virtually no noise at the chosen setting of ISO 400.
I know that he didn't make such statement explicitly, but underexposing in camera and increasing exposure in post is harmless only for sensors that become ISOless from certain values on, otherwise it is much much better to get the exposure right in camera or even blow out highlights that are unimportant to keep and decrease exposure in post to make the image look cleaner. This is a method which is practiced by many Canon shooters, for instance since the sensor is not ISOless. Barney said that she could increase exposure in post since it was noise free. I might be wrong in my conclusion from what he meant but I believe it is not a good thing to underexpose if you know there would be more noise penalty in post by increasing exposure rather than increasing sensitivity in camera while shooting.
Fashion photography seems a pretty easy gig for any half decent camera system. Lots of light and small apertures is a forgiving combination for focussing, lens sharpness and aberrations. Timing is rather leisurely, so you can fiddle with features and setup. Most any m4/3 or APS-C body with premium lenses could have handled this assignment.
I think fashion photography is mostly about creativity and post-processing.
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Runway is not. It's very challenging, and very few people do it right; only those that can deal with inconsistent lighting conditions and the runway's unpredictable nature can excel. Also, those that have professional experience in shooting sports seem to adapt to it well....
Peter, I used to own XE1, and yes the raw is 'strange' one - more like processed. this was early days and it was challenging to post process the raws. I have the same impression about XT1 but maybe XT1 better now and i guess you are good at processing the XT1 raws. the XE1 jpegs are excellent. But most whom buys camera like this wants workable raw files.
A very timely video considering I'm about to pull the trigger on an X-T1 and a couple of awesome primes! How would you rate that 50-140 compared to the 70-200s for DLSRs?
"The lens is as good as it gets in the mirrorless world." "...equal to or better than similar lenses I've used from Canon, Nikon etc. Not an easy thing for me to say because I'm a fan of all versions of the Canon EF70-200mm especially. ... The Fuji tops Canon in sharpness, color and contrast and equals it in terms of the build. Auto Focus speed goes to Canon but not by a huge margin."
Olivia & Barney, very nicely done, although I find the small camera's a little awkward to use, probably because I've use Hasselblad for so long, just purchased the Canon EOS 7D MK 2, that would be interesting to see your thought in a similar studio setting. Thanks Barney
So in the spirit of cross marketing, where does MFT fit into niche markets. Could an EM1 with a prime and/or 35-100 fit an event photographer's needs? I know the roller derby segment was done some time ago....
I had a bit of that and would consider a change to a larger format....of course, I am an enthusiast getting more comfortable with photography...
Thanks Barney! This was great! I'd like to see DPR do more of these "real world" use studies with various systems, get them out of the test studio at DPR and into the hands of non-reviewers. This really helps paint a complete picture and the combination of the video + tech / DPR style review really sets DPR apart from others IMO. Thanks!
I am curious what aperture you landed on for most shots. I usually use f5.6 to f8 depending on the camera and sensor. You mentioned the f1.2 I am guessing you were not going for shallow DOF.
I think I was flitting around between F4-8 on the 56mm for enough DOF to cover both of the model's eyes, when I was shooting. Olivia was mostly shooting at F8-11 on the 50-140mm.
Historianx, do you use f13 on a crop sensor or M43? I am just curious if you worry about diffraction. I used f8 on my crop sensor and I rarely needed more, even with groups.
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