Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/07/Category:Air force of Turkey

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Category:Air force of Turkey

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This category have to be redirected to Category:Turkish Air Force. But User:Foroa revert it. As we know, when we chose the name of category, we behave according to the name in English Wikipedia. As long as I known, User:Foroa also always behave so. In this case, en:Turkish Air Force & en:Category:Turkish Air Force are used in English Wikipedia. Takabeg (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think;

Takabeg (talk) 17:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I restored it to its original naming. Commons don't necessarily uses the names of the English Wikipedia. We avoid the thousands of categories such a Turkish singers, Turkish politicians, ... Just look at the other air forces in the by country category. Moreover, many countries got several names for their marine, air force, army in the course of history: all them fit better in a general "Air Force of ..." category. Please use move request before undertaking such important renamings. --Foroa (talk) 16:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sitution in Turkish Army, Turkish Navy, Turkish Air Force etc. is different from one of en:Category:Turkish singers, en:Category:Turkish politicians etc.. I also feel some usage of the term "Turkish" such as Turkish singers, Turkish politicians may be considered as ethnical categories. So I avoid those names when I create new categories related with people from Turkey. But Turkish Army, Turkish Navy, Turkish Air Force etc. are proper nouns (names), just like Category:Hellenic Army, Category:Hellenic Navy, Category:Hellenic Air Force etc.. If we denies this fact, we will become extremists. "Turkish Stars" is also a proper name and we cannot change it into "Stars of Turkey" :) Thank you. .Takabeg (talk) 17:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In the course of history, the air force of Turkey contained at least Ottoman Air Force and General Directorate of Air Forces, so this top level cat has to stay. If the current name en:Turkish Air Force is a formal official name or just another wikipedia style of translation needs to be seen and might become a subcategory. Turkish Navy is not necessarily a proper name, "Turkish Stars" probably is their commercial name. --Foroa (talk) 18:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We have to use [[::Category:Turkish Air Force]] for images after 1949 (The Turkish Air Force) and to use Category:Military aviation of Turkey for images between 1923 (1920)-1949. In fact, there was no general of the Turkish Air Force before 1949, and leaders of military aviation of Turkey were generals of the Turkish Army (for example Category:Muzaffer Ergüder). Takabeg (talk) 06:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can live with that, but since you reverted my changes to reinstate Air force of Turkey, I've got to revert to the previous situation. Anyway, air force of Turkey has to be interpreted in the broadest sense: it should contain all items related to military airborne activity in its complete history. A person with a picture of a Turkish military air plane from 1912 cannot necessarily know by whom it was owned or managed.
 Support I support this changes. Also I believe that Category:Gendarmerie of Turkey should be redirected to Category:Turkish Gendarmerie. We can see many examples of this such as Category:Ottoman Gendarmerie, Category:Romanian Gendarmerie, Category:Greek Gendarmerie... I explained additional reasons of this on this page in Turkish.--Reality006 (talk) 20:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As to Gendarmerie (Jandarma), according to Google books Ngram Viewer, Turkish Gendarmerie is common name of this organization. But I prefer to use titles in English Wikipedia automatically on the purpose of avoiding needless discussion in Commons in the case naming comventions. Because I believe we must consume our energy for uploading images not for such discussions. I recommend you (Reality006) to go to English Wikipedia to change the title en:Gendarmerie (Turkey) to Turkish Gendarmerie. If the tile would be changed, I will be able to support Category:Turkish Gendarmerie. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 07:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Commons naming convention if <Topic> <Qualifier> and can only be overridden if a formal other name exists. Wikipedia naming convention is often <Qualifier> <Topic>, which makes that en:wiki names are not necessarily the reference. To avoid all such discussions as we have to concentrate indeed on organising pictures, Commons tries to be more consistent and uniform in its naming and to avoid such discussions. --Foroa (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: per Foros, kept "Air force of Turkey", as many examples in Category:Air_force_by_country. Ruthven (msg) 14:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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