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Maybe the Formation box sought to avoid such matters as contained in the following abbreviated excerpt from PBS in Wiki Talk in Nazi Germany: "The change in the Basic Law after the reunification of the two parts [of Germany] by a dejure alteration to the German constitution[,] [reflected the desire] to define the current territory of Germany as [the totality of] German territory." <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.14.240.177|76.14.240.177]] ([[User talk:76.14.240.177|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The 3rd Reich should not be mentioned in the infobox ''because'' (1) the Holy Roman Empire denotes (or is meant to denote, see below) the first-ever German state, (2) the Creation of the German Empire denotes the extant (!) German state (according to German jurisdiction, whatever may be interpreted politically), (3) the creation of the Federal Republic denotes the extant political form of the state, and (4) the Reunification denotes the extant (and final) territorial form, as well as it was ''the'' major change in the history of Western Germany as well, and last but not least it is ''the'' national holiday. The German Confederation of 1815, the Weimar Republic, the Third Reich, and the German Democratic Republic, all historical, are not mentioned, because it is an infobox on formation and not on history. I do not think that for the sole fact of its evilness the Third Reich should be mentioned here, and this would even imply that today's Germany was somehow ''formed'' by Hitler becoming chancellor (an incorrect, and ugly thought). -- By the way, the Holy Roman Empire should be called ''of German nation'', because the H. R. E. in itself was already created in 800 and not 962 (or, if the continuity is disputed, at least ''a'' H. R. E.). Even more, it should be replaced in the info box by "Kingdom of Germany" with the date of 843 or 914, as if we are talking about the state of Germany, this is when the Kingdom was formed, in 962 "no more" happened that its king became Emperor. That's why I said "is meant to denote" above. -- Last point: We have to keep in mind that if we call the Third Reich this way (which has become a historical name, that's why I do it) and especially if we likewise call the H. R. E. the first and the German Empire of 1871 the second, we are following Nazi propaganda: The name of the state during the Weimar Republic was "Deutsches Reich" (German Realm) as well. --[[Special:Contributions/84.154.43.233|84.154.43.233]] ([[User talk:84.154.43.233|talk]]) 19:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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