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Notability another opinion - Tarsomys orientalis
Hi. I would like to ask for another opinion if this Draft:Tarsomys orientalis already passed the notability criteria, as I'm having doubts. I have submitted it previously, then it was moved to draft, then I improved the article, submitted, then it was moved to draft again. The latest reason in this thread: User_talk:Jp2593#Tarsomys_orientalis_moved_to_draftspace_2 Jp2593 (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The only requirement for species is that
As far as I can tell, none of the academic journals you cite mention a species named Tarsomys orientalis. That's probably the issue. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Their names and at least a brief description must have been published in a reliable academic publication to be recognized as correct or valid.
— WP:SPECIES- @Jlwoodwa There is one in the "Advance articles" portion of the OUP Academic journal (see in this link:https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/advance-articles?login=false) which also links to the source publication. Jp2593 (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a name appearing in a preview in an "advance articles portion" of a journal's website counts as
publication in a reliable academic publication
. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- @Jlwoodwa would a publication(but closed access) be reliable in this instance? Jp2593 (talk) 09:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jp2593 The draft in its current state is already acceptable. The notability standard for species is simply proof of existence and a proper scientific name. Both of which are established by the first published description in a recognized academic journal. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa would a publication(but closed access) be reliable in this instance? Jp2593 (talk) 09:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a name appearing in a preview in an "advance articles portion" of a journal's website counts as
- @Jlwoodwa WP:NSPECIES is NOT a notability guideline, it merely represents the "status quo" of common outcomes at AfD. Cremastra (talk) 00:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa There is one in the "Advance articles" portion of the OUP Academic journal (see in this link:https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/advance-articles?login=false) which also links to the source publication. Jp2593 (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jp2593 You've cited quite a bit of sources. With your 800 edits you should have access to wp:lib, specifically the oxford academic and this source, which is I believe what you are looking for:
- Rickart, Eric A; Rowsey, Dakota M; Ibañez, Jayson C; Quidlat, Roselyn S; Balete, Danilo S; Heaney, Lawrence R (25 May 2024). "A new species of the endemic Tarsomys clade (Muridae, Rodentia) from eastern Mindanao Island, Philippines". Journal of Mammalogy. doi:10.1093/jmammal/gyae051. ISSN 0022-2372.
- JackTheSecond (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think your main problem is that you're citing a Facebook post for a lot of the content, which is self-published. If you can instead cite that stuff to the study, which the agency's Facebook post draws on, you're probably OK. That's what I'd do. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
GA
I know this is quite a weird question, but will 2024 Hualien earthquake page be a good article? It has a B-rating. Also, the grammar, format, and spelling appear to be good. Bakhos2010 (talk) 09:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- In order to be a good article, it must be nominated following the process laid out at WP:GAI. Any significant contributor to the article who believes that it fulfils the Good Article criteria can nominate it. (You do not appear to be a significant contributor, and so should not nominate the article without discussing it on the article talkpage first). I haven't read the article all the way through, but at a minimum the lead is currently way too short and does not sufficiently summarise the content given the length of the article, so I do not think it would pass as-is. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just a note that nominations without significantly contributing to the article are known as drive-by nominations and are frowned upon NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 09:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Bakhos2010 yes but you are not allowed to nominate it as you are not a significant author. 48JCL TALK 22:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates?
How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates? Skinnyshark (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Skinnyshark. You'll have to be clearer with your question. Who is "we"? What do you mean by "moderate"? In what sense is it having "too many updates"?
- The only article you have edited recently is Pawan Kalyan - is that the one you are referring to? There has been a flurry of activity on that article recently, but how is it "too many"?
- It does suffer, however, from having a lot of unsourced, non-neutral text, and I have tagged it as such. ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC) q
- Skinnyshark, on Wikipedia, there is literally no such thing as
too many updates!
unless you can provide solid evidence of disruptive editing. Do you have such evidence? Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC) - Appreciate your response, "too many" means when multiple people update same source without any citations! Anyhow, I'm updated a picture on that page "Pawan Kalyan" and somebody else updated on top of mine with a very bad picture, now i can't update anymore as its saying "check update histy", no how do i update it good picture? Skinnyshark (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of quality, it's important to 1) discuss with the other editors (WP:CONSENSUS is how "many updates" leads to what many editors generally think is a reasonable result) and 2) not ever violate our WP:COPYVIO policy by uploading pictures found on other nonfree websites but instead 3) only use free sources and always give credit to those sources. DMacks (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Skinnyshark, on Wikipedia, there is literally no such thing as
Hi, been a while since I contributed and was hoping anyone could offer some guidance?
I am trying to add one fairly straight-forward factual sentence to a long existing Wikipedia page. The sentence includes 5 hyperlinks to existing Wikipedia pages, and 4 external citations. I am ready to post, however at top of page I have the following message:
Script warning: One or more {{cite web}}
templates have maintenance messages; messages may be hidden (help).
When I try to click on the links at top of page, it says my edits may not be saved if I click on those links. I have been unable to find any specific help on multiple Wikipedia and Google pages for this warning.
Can someone please let me know best way to see the actual "script warnings" they are stating? And / or how to edit / fix?
Thank you. CBrookUM (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, CBrookUM, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to know what's happening when you haven't given us much information. But in most browsers there is a way to pick on a link and open it in another tab (or another window) - sometimes by the middle mouse button (or wheel) if you have one, and more generally by right clicking, and picking "Open in new tab". That way you can look at the message without losing the work you are doing in the first tab or window.
- In fact, you can pick on the links in the warning that you've included in your question above, to see what they are telling you - it appears that at least one of your citations uses a {{cite web}} template, but does not have any named parameters. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CBrookUM, which article are you trying to edit? You might see that type of message for a citation error for a cite that's already in the article, not just added in your edit. Schazjmd (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CBrookUM: "help" in the warning should be a link to Help:CS1 errors#Controlling error message display, but it may be a bit technical for an inexperienced user. If you mean that previewing your edit gives this warning and you don't want to save it in an article then you can save it in User:CBrookUM/sandbox. Then we can see the problem and probably fix it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- CBrookUM, it may be that your citations are fine and that there were pre-existing errors on the page, in which case you may go ahead and save your edit as written. Try this: edit the page, and *without* adding your new sentence, hit the Preview button. Now look at the top of the page. Do you see the same errors noted there as before?
- NO (there are no errors now): this means there was an error with your citations which needs attention. Hit Cancel and seek further assistance.
- NO, BUT (there are some errors, but not as many as before with your sentence): there were pre-existing errors, but your sentence also had some errors. Hit Cancel and seek further assistance.
- YES (exactly the same errors as before): there was no problem with your citations; go ahead and add your sentence with the citations, and hit Publish, ignoring the error notice you see there.
- Try this, and report back what you saw. Other editors will be able to help you further, armed with this information. Mathglot (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you all for the help and guidance, greatly appreciated. After following suggestions it "appears" the very small issue / recommendation listed at top of the existing page I edited (adding one sentence to page) has been corrected. CBrookUM (talk) 02:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Blps Template not Activating
Hi Mods :)!
I copied the Blps template onto my sandbox -- and the template won't show up when published :(. Am I missing a step or another function before the template shows up?
Here is my page: User:Eleniofillyria/sandbox - Wikipedia
I'm rather new here so pardon the snafus ;).
Thanx in advance for your help!
Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- hi @Eleniofillyria and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm assuming you directly typed {{blps}} while using VisualEditor, which it interpreted literally as having been the text itself intsea of a templtae call. that being said, {{blps}} is the wrong template to use in this case, as it is intended for use in talk pages of BLP articles instead of drafts. you may be looking for {{AfC draft}}, which I've gone ahead and added to your draft page.
- I'm not particularly skilled in VisualEditor myself as I primarily use the source editor (which is probably harder to learn if you don't already have a programming background), but to insert templates in VisualEditor you may press Insert > Template to paste a given template. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Melicie & Primehunter :)!
- Thank you to you both for such a quick reply to my query :).
- This is actually the specific kind of template I'd like to open on my sandbox page (the one with the picture on the right side of the page): Template:Biography - Wikipedia
- In Visual Editor, I don't see the code or words I need to insert. How do you write it out so that this kind of layout shows up on my sandbox page?
- In Source Editing, do I just type the blps code on the 1st line? I don't think the {{AfC draft}} is what I'm looking for since it's too general :(?
- Again, thanx for your advice! I await your clarification.
- Warmest regards,
- Eleni
- P.S: I'm also not adept yet at Visual Editing Melicie ;). But I do have some vague familiarity with the earlier versions of HTML, so I can do a few troubleshoots now and then ;). Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know why it's so difficult to write on that AFC template :(! Why is there a box there and it's so hard to replace the words in the box :(. Could I just have a template on Biography as I had indicated in my previous message?
- Some of the words are confusing on the template. If I just have the biography template, I certainly will be "substituting" the words there for the text of the article I have already written on MS Word.
- Please, please help :O!
- I await your pleasant but speedy reply Melicie or PrimeHunter :)!
- Warmest regards,
- Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Eleniofillyria: In VisualEditor you have to follow the procedure at Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates to add templates. Click the "Insert" menu, click "Template", write
subst:Blps
(without curly brackets) in the the box, click "Add", click "Insert". Template:Biography uses {{Infobox person}}. If that's the template you want then replacesubst:Blps
withInfobox person
(most templates don't usesubst:
). {{Infobox person}} has a lot of parameters. You can fill out some of them between clicking "Add" and "Insert", or you can come back later to do it. There are many different infobox templates, also for different kind of people. What or who do you want to write about? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- Hi PrimeHunter :)!
- Thank you for responding so quickly ;). I will attempt to open a biography template again today following your instructions. Pray that I am successful -- or I will bother you again for instructions -- har har ;)!
- Regarding subject of article, I would like to write about this accomplished person in the space exploration and development industry who can be a great inspiration to the youth, particularly the less privileged young people in the third world. I believe I have enough resources and references to fulfill the requirements stipulated by Wikipedia -- but that is for the editors to determine ;).
- Again, my profuse thanks PrimeHunter for your help! Chat again soon, of course, on less troublesome topics :).
- Regards,
- Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Eleniofillyria: In VisualEditor you have to follow the procedure at Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates to add templates. Click the "Insert" menu, click "Template", write
- @Eleniofillyria: I was writing a reply while melecie answered. I will still post it in case it's helpful too:
- You used VisualEditor. Most of our documentation is written for the source editor where you can write
{{subst:Blps}}
. If you try to write that in VisualEditor then it automatically adds undisplayed code to deactivate the template call and merely display the code of the call instead. See Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates for how to add templates in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- Thanx PrimeHunter for the quick reply :)! Please do check my answer to Melicie above which I addressed to you both ;).
- Have a smashing day and hear your advice soon :)! Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Editing semi-protected pages
There is a semi-protected page I wish to edit, but my attack account lacks sufficient... establishment. How can I meaningfully build up enough contributions without just making bogus edits?
10 edits isn't a lot but I'd feel bad just farming them on my userpage or something, but I also don't know how I'd track down things to meaningfully improve. Kisequé (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kisequé the Task Center has some beginner-friendly tasks you might be interested in. You can also use the {{edit semi-protected}} template on talk pages of semi-protected articles, and someone else will implement the edits on your behalf. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kisequé, just edit productively and do not try to game the system. Please explain why you are in such a rush to edit highly controversial articles? That often ends badly. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not in a rush and it's not a "highly controversial" article, just minor protection because of persistant vandalism some 10 years ago. I don't use Wikipedia a massive amount so I don't come across opportunities to make edits very frequently, which is why I was seeking ways to more efficiently build up credibility. Kisequé (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kisequé, just edit productively and do not try to game the system. Please explain why you are in such a rush to edit highly controversial articles? That often ends badly. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Your attack? You can also consider using the article talkpage or ask for input at related Wikiprojects. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps you meant "account"? David notMD (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That does make sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I had meant to say account, yeah. Is it considered acceptable to edit messages to fix mistakes of that type?
- Honestly rather confused on how I even made that error, I'm not on mobile so it couldn't have been auto-correct... Kisequé (talk) 15:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is fine to edit them, though it's best to do so before anyone else has replied. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kisequé: Sometimes I'm thinking of a similar word and type that down instead of what I meant to say. For editing comments that have been replied to, best practice is to follow what WP:REDACT says:
—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)- Any deleted text should be marked with
<del>...</del>
, which renders in most browsers as struck-through text, e.g., deleted. - Any inserted text should be marked with
<ins>...</ins>
, which renders in most browsers as underlined text, e.g., inserted.
- Didn't know about those tags, thanks! Kisequé (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any deleted text should be marked with
- That does make sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps you meant "account"? David notMD (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Assistance Needed for Varun Choudhary's Draft Rejection
Hi Wikipedia Teahouse,
I recently submitted a draft article for Varun Choudhary, the National President of the National Students' Union of India (NSUI), which is the student wing of the Indian National Congress. The draft was declined with the feedback that it does not meet the notability criteria under WP, and the references do not show significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources.
Here is the link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Varun_Choudhary
Points of Coverage: - Varun Choudhary's significant role as the National President of NSUI, India’s largest student organization. - His involvement and leadership in major national student movements and political protests, including the NEET exam rigging controversy. - Multiple references from reputable news sources such as The New Indian Express, Economic Times, Money Control, and others. - An external link to the official Indian National Congress website confirming his position.
Concerns:
- The feedback mentioned that the references provided do not show significant coverage or that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability.
- I reviewed Wikipedia articles of previous NSUI Presidents such as Neeraj Kundan and Fairoz Khan to ensure consistency and compliance with Wikipedia standards.
Request: Could you please help me understand how I can improve the draft to meet Wikipedia's notability standards? Are there specific types of sources or additional information that would better establish Varun Choudhary’s notability? Any guidance on addressing the feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your assistance.
Best regards, Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Itsmickeymouse, you cannot assume that existing articles meet Wikipedia's standards. Very many do not. You say that there are "Multiple references from reputable news sources" but what's needed is coverage in some depth. Here (right here, in the "teahouse") please provide links to what you regard as the three best sources on VC: sources that are both informative and reliable. (They must be disinterested, meaning that they shouldn't be based on interviews with VC.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Hoary,
- Thank you for your feedback. I would like to provide three sources that offer in-depth, reliable, and independent coverage of Varun Choudhary:
- - Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/congress-demands-sc-monitored-probe-into-neet-exam-irregularities/articleshow/110797226.cms?from=mdr
- This article discusses Varun Choudhary's involvement in the NEET exam rigging protests, demonstrating his active role in addressing significant national issues.
- - Money Control - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/politics/congress-appoints-alka-lamba-chief-of-its-womens-wing-varun-choudhary-to-head-nsui-12007311.html
- This article details his appointment as the National President of NSUI, highlighting his leadership position within a major political organization.
- - Deccan Herald - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/delhi/congress-students-wing-protests-against-bjp-mp-hegdes-amending-constitution-remarks-2931827
- This article covers Varun Choudhary's involvement in protests against proposed constitutional amendments, showcasing his influence and participation in national political discourse.
- Additionally, to further establish his notability, here is a reference about his election as the youngest Secretary in the history of the Delhi University Students' Union (DUSU):
- - Indian Express - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/nsui-sweeps-dusu-polls/
- This article provides information about his election as Secretary in DUSU, highlighting his early leadership roles.
- I hope these sources provide the necessary depth and reliability to establish Varun Choudhary's notability. If there are any additional guidelines or specific types of references that would strengthen this submission, I would appreciate your guidance.
- /Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the links.
- Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/congress-demands-sc-monitored-probe-into-neet-exam-irregularities/articleshow/110797226.cms?from=mdr The website demands that I disable my ad blocker. I can't be bothered. But please don't take my personal annoyance to be a black mark against the source: I'm simply passing on the task of reading this and commenting on it to some other editor here.
This source quotes something that Choudhary said. Maproom (talk) 14:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC) - Money Control - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/politics/congress-appoints-alka-lamba-chief-of-its-womens-wing-varun-choudhary-to-head-nsui-12007311.html This one is very odd. As I view it, all it says about VC is "Congress appoints Alka Lamba chief of its women's wing, Varun Choudhary to head NSUI / Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge also appointed Varun Choudhary as the head of the party's students' wing National Students' Union of India (NSUI)." There's what looks like a button that will have me jump over the advertising and gossip junk and will let me "READ MORE"; but when I click on it, nothing happens (and I'm shown no more).
- Deccan Herald - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/delhi/congress-students-wing-protests-against-bjp-mp-hegdes-amending-constitution-remarks-2931827 This quotes VC, both indirectly and directly. That's all, really.
- Indian Express - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/nsui-sweeps-dusu-polls/ Here's what this says: "Varun Khari and Varun Chaudhary of NSUI were elected vice-president and secretary,respectively. [...] Varun Choudhary polled 15,605 votes,defeating ABVP's Ritu Rana by 2,617 votes." That's all.
- Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/congress-demands-sc-monitored-probe-into-neet-exam-irregularities/articleshow/110797226.cms?from=mdr The website demands that I disable my ad blocker. I can't be bothered. But please don't take my personal annoyance to be a black mark against the source: I'm simply passing on the task of reading this and commenting on it to some other editor here.
- Conceivably there's significant coverage in the first or second of these four. There isn't in the third or fourth. -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The first only quotes Choudhary, among many others. The second announces Choudhary's appointment, a single sentence; the rest is about Lamba only. Neither provides significant coverage. Schazjmd (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi,
- I have found some more sources that provide coverage of his activities and impact:
- 1) https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2024/Jun/08/neet-results-student-unions-seek-re-exam-probe
- This article discusses the NEET exam rigging protests and mentions Varun Choudhary's involvement.
- 2) https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/metro/delhi/politics/know-who-is-varun-chaudhary-who-become-nsui-president-and-alka-lamba-become-woman-congress-president/articleshow/106593361.cms?story=2
- This article provides an overview of Varun Choudhary's background.
- 3) https://thewire.in/rights/neet-protests-intensify-nsui-joins-agitation-as-national-testing-agency-continues-to-face-flak
- This article provides coverage of the NEET protests and mentions NSUI's role under Varun Choudhary's leadership.
- 4) https://news.careers360.com/nsui-national-president-appeals-political-parties-withdraw-agneepath-scheme
- This article discusses Varun Choudhary's stance on the Agneepath scheme and his appeal to political parties.
- Let me know what you think, I’d appreciate your advice. Itsmickeymouse (talk) 10:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the links.
Minor edits on mobile
Hello Teahouse. I'm currently using Wikipedia on mobile, but I can't seem to make minor edits. The "button" isn't there when I click publish. I normally use VisualEditor on phone, but I'm pretty sure that using Wikicode and VisualEditor doesn't have the "button" to make minor edits. Is there a way to turn it on or is it normal on phones?
Best regards, StadionK (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi StadionK, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Minor edit says: "Users who are not logged in to Wikipedia or are in mobile mode are not permitted to mark changes as minor because of the potential for vandalism." However, I do currently have the minor edit checkbox when I'm logged in on mobile. Are you logged in? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter Yes, I am logged in when editing. StadionK (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StadionK: On mobile I see the minor edit box and a watch box in VisualEditor but neither in source editor. That is odd. If you made a source edit then you can switch to VisualEditor on the pencil icon to the left of the blue ">" button before using that button. I don't know why this is apparently needed to mark an edit as minor. Maybe somebody thought a source edit is more likely to screw up code seriously while making an apparently minor change. Maybe it's an accident that the features aren't synchronized. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter I don’t have any buttons in the source editor AND the VisualEditor. (When I mean Wikicode, I mean source editor. It’s because I’m from another Wikipedia.) StadionK (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StadionK: Are you referring to edits at the English Wikipedia? If I click the pencil icon at the top of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Example#/editor/0, select "Visual editing", add a random space somewhere and click the blue ">" button then I get a page with a "This is a minor edit" box on the left and a blue Publish button on the right. What happens for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter Yes. I also don’t have the box in other Wikipedias. When I click the “>” button, it takes to a box, where I need to summarize the edit with no “This is a minor edit” box. StadionK (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StadionK: Are you referring to edits at the English Wikipedia? If I click the pencil icon at the top of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Example#/editor/0, select "Visual editing", add a random space somewhere and click the blue ">" button then I get a page with a "This is a minor edit" box on the left and a blue Publish button on the right. What happens for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter I don’t have any buttons in the source editor AND the VisualEditor. (When I mean Wikicode, I mean source editor. It’s because I’m from another Wikipedia.) StadionK (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StadionK: On mobile I see the minor edit box and a watch box in VisualEditor but neither in source editor. That is odd. If you made a source edit then you can switch to VisualEditor on the pencil icon to the left of the blue ">" button before using that button. I don't know why this is apparently needed to mark an edit as minor. Maybe somebody thought a source edit is more likely to screw up code seriously while making an apparently minor change. Maybe it's an accident that the features aren't synchronized. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter Yes, I am logged in when editing. StadionK (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
A conflict of interest?
Hello,
I am John Seitz, communications editor for the Jay and Susie Gogue Performing Arts Center in Auburn, Alabama. Our venue is relatively new (it opened in 2019), and I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence. My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself? I am brand new to Wikipedia, but have several years as a professional editor and one of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information about the Gogue Center for the public. Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own?
Thank you,
John John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @John Seitz 88 Welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for disclosing your COI. In fact, you will be considered a paid editor and should read and comply with those requirements. Once you have done that you can try to use the WP:AfC process to draft an article. Beware, however, that this is quite a difficult task for newcomers. Your main task will be to show your venue is notable in the quirky way Wikipedia defines that. Please read all these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- For example, you might think that this article is a good source to use but it is based on interviews and press releases, so does not fully meet the criteria of being a secondary, independent and reliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rather than create a full article, you could start by adding material to Auburn, Alabama#Arts, culture, and recreation. In view of your COI, you should do this by making edit requests on its Talk Page. There is no COI involved in adding good photos of the center you took with your own camera to Wikimedia Commons. The COI arises when incorporated into articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Mike. This is informative and helps point me in the right direction. As a newbie offering up his first vulnerable inquiry, I appreciate hearing your warm, welcoming response coming out of the cold, anonymous void of the internet. John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @John Seitz 88 I'd like to add a +1 to Mike Turnbull's suggestion: taking pictures of the center with your own camera and uploading them to the Wikimedia Commons is a great idea. Pecopteris (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Mike. This is informative and helps point me in the right direction. As a newbie offering up his first vulnerable inquiry, I appreciate hearing your warm, welcoming response coming out of the cold, anonymous void of the internet. John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rather than create a full article, you could start by adding material to Auburn, Alabama#Arts, culture, and recreation. In view of your COI, you should do this by making edit requests on its Talk Page. There is no COI involved in adding good photos of the center you took with your own camera to Wikimedia Commons. The COI arises when incorporated into articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)
- @John Seitz 88: Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. To take your points in order:
I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence.
That would be promotion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which does not have "pages", per se, but articles on notable subjects.My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself?
Yes, absolutely. Furthermore, as an employee, per Wikipedia's terms of use you are required to disclose this connection as noted above....one of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information...
This is all well and good, but what we need most of all is verifiability. All articles need to be based on verifiable references to reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Without this, there is literally nothing upon which a proper encyclopedia article can be based--we care relatively little about what the subject of an article has to say about itself.Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own?
Most definitely the latter. It's not prohibited for you to create the page yourself, but it's not recommended. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, doubly so when there is a conflict of interest involved, since you effectively need to forget everything you know about the organization and base the article solely on third-party sources. If you do want to proceed, then the article should be created as a draft, which, when completed, can be evaluated by experienced editors via the Articles for Creation process. But in any case, it is recommended for any prospective Wikipedia editor that they poke around, edit on existing articles, and generally get a better grounding on Wikipedia's policies and procedures before they embark on creating entirely new content.
- Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. Thanks, and happy editing! --Finngall talk 16:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the detailed response to my question. I greatly appreciate this. John Seitz 88 (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- For example, you might think that this article is a good source to use but it is based on interviews and press releases, so does not fully meet the criteria of being a secondary, independent and reliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, John. I would add to what the others have said, that to "establish its social and cultural presence" is absolutely not part of the purposes of Wikipedia: indeed, writing with that purpose is precisely promotion, and forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to agree with that, and add another layer to it. Maybe you disagree with the following. If so, please let me know, so I can adjust how I think about this sort of thing.
- Editors have all sorts of reasons for editing Wikipedia. For instance, on articles about modern politics, many editors want to promote information about politicians/candidates/issues that they care about, or denigrate politicians/candidates/issues that they find objectionable. That is self-evident, and it's not necessarily a problem. Per AGF, we do not interrogate editors about the reasons for their edits if they are good edits, and we are not in the business of accusing editors of thought crimes.
- The only thing that matters is the content of the edits. If @John Seitz 88 is able to write a solid article that neutrally summarizes verifiable information published by reliable sources, more power to him, even if his inner purpose is to promote something that he cares about. Likewise, if the draft that John writes is not a good article, per the above criteria, it will be rejected, regardless of his internal thoughts and motivations.
- Of course, that should all be understood within the context of WP:PAID, but that has already been brought to John's attention. Pecopteris (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. My intention in asking the question about COI was to understand definitively if, as an employee of the Gogue Center, it was strictly forbidden for me to contribute an article. If this were the case, naturally I would abandon the undertaking and save myself the time and effort. My employer is a nonprofit performing arts center on the campus of an R1 level university. It is not unusual or inappropriate for such institutions to have a dedicated Wikipedia article. The Jule Collins Smith Museum of Fine Art, which is located across the street from the Gogue Center, already has an entry. I suppose the ideal would be for an independent third party to take it upon themselves to submit an article; however, the Gogue Center has now existed since 2019. I thought it might be time to craft an article myself, if allowed. I would do my level best to create an article that adheres to Wikipedia's editorial standards and practices. If it is rejected on those grounds, so be it. I asked my original question simply to clarify if any article on the Gogue Center that I submitted would be rejected automatically because of my status as an employee. But from what I can surmise from the wealth of feedback I have already received, it is appropriate and worth my time to pursue this endeavor, provided that I follow the correct protocols. Thank you to everyone for your well-informed advice and caveats—they have been genuinely helpful, and on balance, encouraging. John Seitz 88 (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Siege of Silves (1191) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is a redirect to Almohad campaign against Portugal (1190–1191). Today it was hijacked and an AI-generated article with useless Google Books references was put in its place.
I reverted and warned the user (about the hijacking and the LLM usage). Their response was to hijack the redirect again (this time accidentally leaving it in place at the top of the page).
As they're a new user, I don't want to jump to ANI, so this seems to be the place to come to ask for help on their behalf... and also to ask for their AI-generated article to be reverted again as I don't want to edit war. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverted (not by me), restored without comment, reverted again. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor - this is a place for newcomers to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia, not a place to report disruptive editing. If they're not responding to warnings or attempts at discussion, ANI is the place to go; you could also request page protection at WP:RFPP. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm reluctant to dump a brand new editor directly into ANI. And it's because they are a brand new editor that my first thought was that someone here, on the board for brand new editors, might be willing to help them before it reaches the whole bounce-them-out-the-door stage. But perhaps not then. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, that's fair reasoning. I've striked out that comment so more experienced editors can help.
- PS: I noticed your contribs :D thanks for your positive edits to WP! You should consider making an account so you can properly be thanked. GoldRomean (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm reluctant to dump a brand new editor directly into ANI. And it's because they are a brand new editor that my first thought was that someone here, on the board for brand new editors, might be willing to help them before it reaches the whole bounce-them-out-the-door stage. But perhaps not then. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor - this is a place for newcomers to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia, not a place to report disruptive editing. If they're not responding to warnings or attempts at discussion, ANI is the place to go; you could also request page protection at WP:RFPP. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Don't worry about reporting newer users to ANI, as long as they've been appropriately warned and are still being disruptive. GoldRomean (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Resolved: New user went off the deep end at other editors and got indeffed. So much for my attempt at good faith! Ah well. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Request for translation + article assistqance, thanks! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 17:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you use bare URLs? 48JCL TALK 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, Snipertron12, you want help translating bits of the article ja:
重 音 テト into English in order to augment the article Kasane Teto. If so, better to say so (and good luck with that request); if not, better to say what you do want. -- Hoary (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
ugly mobile interface
So I decided to go on my ipad and use wikipedia to see how it was like and EVEN THOUGH I was on the desktop version, the info boxes are STILL in mobile format. Really ugly. please help 48JCL TALK 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Are you using the Desktop mode of your browser or the 'Desktop' button at the bottom of the page? Only the latter will switch to the desktop rendering version for infoboxes and such. WelpThatWorked (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- WelpThatWorked, what desktop button? 48JCL TALK 21:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I’m using both. Still ugly as ****. 48JCL TALK 22:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- image 48JCL TALK 22:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- This looks identical to the Desktop styling, so I'm not really sure what you're expecting, and unless you have some on-wiki script or off-wiki extension that's only loaded on your desktop, I'm not sure what the cause of the discrepancy would be either. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- yeah but like i swear the info boxes never looked like that 48JCL TALK 22:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you could specify what, specifically looks different I might be able to give more insight, but as is I have no clue what you are referring to. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @WelpThatWorked, sorry I was referring to the fact that in the past the like basic format was in 2022 vector but the info boxes and other templates like article history and WPBS were in 2010 style. wondering how I can ge this back 48JCL • (📲/📝) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you mean you want to mix the old with the new, then you would need to find what the CSS rules were prior to the change, then copy them to your custom common.css or vector.css. The easiest way to do this is probably to load up the page with the legacy skin, find the rules you want in the inspect element panel, and copy them over. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL: Capturing a screenshot from a Wikipedia page or any page isn't your "own work" per c:COM:SCREENSHOT and c:COM:2D copying unless you're the copyright holder of source page; so, you shouldn't be licensing such files as such if you aren't the copyright holder of the page. I suggest you use Template:Wikipedia-screenshot instead in this case and then use Template:Information to provide a description for the file. If you want to see some examples as to how others have done with respect to files uploaded to Commons, try c:Category:English Wikipedia main page screenshots. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @WelpThatWorked, sorry I was referring to the fact that in the past the like basic format was in 2022 vector but the info boxes and other templates like article history and WPBS were in 2010 style. wondering how I can ge this back 48JCL • (📲/📝) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you could specify what, specifically looks different I might be able to give more insight, but as is I have no clue what you are referring to. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- yeah but like i swear the info boxes never looked like that 48JCL TALK 22:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: shrinking image to 512px. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 07:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- This looks identical to the Desktop styling, so I'm not really sure what you're expecting, and unless you have some on-wiki script or off-wiki extension that's only loaded on your desktop, I'm not sure what the cause of the discrepancy would be either. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- image 48JCL TALK 22:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
style
wikipedia look... Softer than before. was there an update or is something wrong with my laptop Cyan-Lime (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Cyan-Lime There has been an update to the appearance, yes. I'm not sure where exactly to find the changes, but the ones I noticed are the infoboxes changing and I think the sidebars moving closer to the side. CommissarDoggoTalk? 21:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any way to get the info boxes back? Hate the new look 48JCL TALK 22:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes. The problem has been reported to the bug tracker: phab:T367462. —andrybak (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there any way to get the info boxes back? Hate the new look 48JCL TALK 22:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
problem
I am not allowed to add photos Alarab.pk (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- You do not currently have permission to upload Files. You will receive this permission automatically after your account reaches at least 4 day of age and 10 edits. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
References that are not online
i am working on writing an article and have references but they are not online or linkable. Can i just state the source ( authir, date, publication ) without a hyperlink? 122.150.145.49 (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. This might be useful for you. Pecopteris (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- In such cases, include the most complete possible bibliographic information about the source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Cite bundling question
I looked at {{Unbulleted list citebundle}}, but didn't see a way to use named references inside this template. Is there a similar template like this one that can handle named references in bundled fashion? Trying to avoid the hidden text clutter of citing them all over again when the named references already exist, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand your use-case. Maybe you could do a mock-up of what you'd like to see? A "Bundle" is just a multi-entry list in the footnote associated with one in-body reference mark. What it sounds like you are describing would put reference marks in the reference itself (in-body would be "[1]" and at the end of the article would list "[1] [2][3][4]" rather than in-body "[2][3][4]". DMacks (talk) 21:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
GoneIn60, How's this?
Lead text.[1]
More text, referring to Doe,[2] Miller,[3] Brown,[4] and Yamada.[5]
References
- ^ Multiple sources:
- For the sun's size, see Doe 1999, p. 5.
- For the sun's color, see Miller 2005, p. 1.
- For the moon's size, see Brown 2007, p. 46.
- For the sun's heat, see Yamada 2005, p. 2.
- ^ Doe (1999). Doe doh.
- ^ Miller, Edward (2005). The Sun. Academic Press.
- ^ Brown, Rebecca (2007). "Size of the Moon". Scientific American. 51 (78).
- ^ Yamada, Hanako [
山田 花子 ] (2005). Taiyō no netsu太陽 の熱 [The Sun's Heat]. Gakujutsu shuppansha (学術 出版 社 ) [Academic Press]. p. 2.
The downside is, that you *must* refer to the LDR-defined refs somewhere in the body (or lead) or you will get an unused citation error. There may be a resolution by moving it into the body, but I haven't tried it, because I don't know what your actual use case is. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 01:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for responding DMacks and Mathglot. Yes, that example above may actually work. As Mathglot mentions, named refs are being fully cited using the
|refs=
parameter in the References section as described at WP:LDR. Then at the end of a lengthy sentence that may contain multiple claims, I'd like to bundle the named refs together and specify which refs support which claims. It's not always easy (or doesn't always work) to insert them mid-sentence.Hope that makes sense. Doing it this way will also help avoid the massive amounts of clutter in hidden text when editing prose (most citations have an archived URL, so they get pretty lengthy). I will give it a shot. Appreciate the help! --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for responding DMacks and Mathglot. Yes, that example above may actually work. As Mathglot mentions, named refs are being fully cited using the
Infobox probelem
There is a problem with the Wikipedia article for Iowa County, Iowa. and I don't know how to fix it. There is a map of the state of Iowa which should show the location o the county in red. However, it shows the entire state in red. It looks to me like the "infobox U.S. county" infobox is supposed to automatically display an image file from Commons that shows the location of the county. But apparently, no such image file exists. I looked at other county articles which did not have this problem, and I found out what the name of the file for Iowa County should be. But Wikipedia Commons will not allow me to upload a file with that name. So I don't know how to proceed. Any help would be much appreciated. PopePompus (talk) 22:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the file was generated programmatically, and so was confused by the county having the same identifier as the state. However, I do not currently have the permissions needed to fix it at the moment. If anyone else wants to, just replacing the first instance of
id="Iowa"
withid="Iowa_S"
or similar ought to do it. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- The same issue occurs with Idaho County, Idaho, but not with Oklahoma County, Oklahoma; Utah County, Utah, or any of the other counties with the same name as their state. – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like other users have already gone and modified those ones without issue. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The same issue occurs with Idaho County, Idaho, but not with Oklahoma County, Oklahoma; Utah County, Utah, or any of the other counties with the same name as their state. – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where would that "id=" be? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Baseball Bugs: It's in the source text of the original file at File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg. SVG files use readable text and not binary code like most image formats. You can edit the file with a normal text editor like Windows Notepad but you still have to download the file, edit it and and upload the new version. Commons requires autopatrolled right to overwrite files. You have it. I don't. Will you make the change? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't edit an SVG file on my PC. I suggest you create a new version, maybe called "Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County 2.svg" and upload that with the correct text. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Baseball Bugs: File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg is used in dozens of wikis and should be fixed. SVG files are just text files. You can right-click the file on your PC, select open with and pick a text editor like Notepad, maybe after choose another app. Or temporarily rename it to a txt ending and doubleclick it.
id="Iowa"
is only a few lines in. I will make a Commons request if nobody fixes it within a day. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)- I've updated it but I don't think that actually fixes it. It seems like these SVGs were poorly coded and for some reason Commons just previously rendered them fine? Ugh. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Elli: It looks like you are right. Another county File:Map of Iowa highlighting Wayne County.svg displays correctly for me on the file page and in Wayne County, Iowa. I tried to diplay it here at one of the common sizes 250px which is probably cached, and two rare sizes 245px and 255px which probably have to be generated for my request. Both of them only display the county for me and not the borders of all the other counties. I don't know how to fix this. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The MediaWiki rendering of File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg has apparently also changed. That helps explain why so many wikis have used the image which worked previously. The Internet Archive cached our infobox version 9 October 2023 where it worked: https://web.archive.org/web/20231009213517im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg/300px-Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg.png. The same url now fails: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg/300px-Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg.png. The uploaded file had not been changed since the 2006 upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the issue is the clip-path in the SVG is improper, and at some point the handling of it changed. The clip-path seems to care only about it's valid first descendants [1], so the <path> inside of the <g> that defines the state is ignored. Loading the file up in an older browser, it seems use the nested path anyway, so I suppose this was "fixed" at some point, breaking these images?
- Unwrapping the path and changing the path ID to
"state_outline"
produces the correct graphic. WelpThatWorked (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've updated it but I don't think that actually fixes it. It seems like these SVGs were poorly coded and for some reason Commons just previously rendered them fine? Ugh. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Baseball Bugs: File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg is used in dozens of wikis and should be fixed. SVG files are just text files. You can right-click the file on your PC, select open with and pick a text editor like Notepad, maybe after choose another app. Or temporarily rename it to a txt ending and doubleclick it.
- I can't edit an SVG file on my PC. I suggest you create a new version, maybe called "Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County 2.svg" and upload that with the correct text. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Baseball Bugs: It's in the source text of the original file at File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg. SVG files use readable text and not binary code like most image formats. You can edit the file with a normal text editor like Windows Notepad but you still have to download the file, edit it and and upload the new version. Commons requires autopatrolled right to overwrite files. You have it. I don't. Will you make the change? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia
Can I publish my own articles, educational, news etc. on Wiki? 49.14.113.224 (talk) 05:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any acceptable new article on Wikipedia must be about a notable topic, and must comply with the three core content policies of Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. Read Your first article for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thus your draft Draft:Secret of love can never be accepted as an article because it is your original thought. David notMD (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Any acceptable new article on Wikipedia must be about a notable topic, and must comply with the three core content policies of Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. Read Your first article for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
No tables of contents
ikipedia is not loading any tables of contents in Vector 2022. Tables of contents ork properly in other (nonMF) ikis using Vector 2010 or timeless. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see the table of contents in the left-hand pane. It's no longer beneath the lead section like I was accustomed to seeing for many years. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no left hand pane. I only see a small hite space beteen the content and the edge of the broser indo. I am using firefox. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- For me it's visible only when I click the bulletted hamburger menu next to the article title, which IMO isn't obvious at at all. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not see the table of contents in the "hamburger" menu (or in the ... menu right of the login buttons). There is a "Contents" link, but it leads to a page in project space. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the eird typing, my W key (had to copy paste that) is broken. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if this helps, but just to say that there are two different 'hamburger menus', one for the Wikipedia main menu, the other for the page contents menu. Both can be independently of each other toggled between the hamburger and the left panel. When hamburgers, the main menu goes to the extreme top-left corner next to the Wikipedia logo, whereas the contents menu goes to the left of the page title. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- To expand on DoubleGrazing's answer, the dropdown button for the table of contents is that is located next to the page title, and the dropdown button for the main menu is in the top-left corner of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: I see no menu or dropdown button next to any page's title. 174.247.177.199 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- By default for unregistered editors the table of contents is expanded in the left margin. I checked using Chrome and don't see any problems there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Perhaps this is a bug? Should a bug report be filed wherever those are? (I am the same person as both previous IPs in this thread) 174.247.177.220 (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You might be able to receive further assistance at the technical village pump, but try to give details as to what sort of device and browser you're using. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Perhaps this is a bug? Should a bug report be filed wherever those are? (I am the same person as both previous IPs in this thread) 174.247.177.220 (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- By default for unregistered editors the table of contents is expanded in the left margin. I checked using Chrome and don't see any problems there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: I see no menu or dropdown button next to any page's title. 174.247.177.199 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- To expand on DoubleGrazing's answer, the dropdown button for the table of contents is that is located next to the page title, and the dropdown button for the main menu is in the top-left corner of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if this helps, but just to say that there are two different 'hamburger menus', one for the Wikipedia main menu, the other for the page contents menu. Both can be independently of each other toggled between the hamburger and the left panel. When hamburgers, the main menu goes to the extreme top-left corner next to the Wikipedia logo, whereas the contents menu goes to the left of the page title. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- For me it's visible only when I click the bulletted hamburger menu next to the article title, which IMO isn't obvious at at all. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no left hand pane. I only see a small hite space beteen the content and the edge of the broser indo. I am using firefox. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Request for adding < span >
Can you add span to this please? thanks! Snipertron12 Talk Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Snipertron2. What is the "this" that you are wanting to add an empty HTML tag to? Please explain more clearly. ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess you refer to your signature but I'm, not sure how you want it to look.
[[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">'''Snipertron12'''</span>]] [[User talk:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">''Talk''</span>]]
produces Snipertron12 Talk. Is that what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess you refer to your signature but I'm, not sure how you want it to look.
- Yes! Thank you!! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Speedy Delete
My article was deleted to have promoted another article. How do I avoid these things? George K. Opoku (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Please read the postings on your user page, and the polices linked to therein, carefully. In short, you shouldn't write about yourself. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Im trying to protect this page from getting deleted. I created this board as a way to get attention for some articles for example Teto Kasane. How can i defend this right? I WILL BE ACTIVE IN 3 HOURS TO CONTINUE DEFENDING WPPICADILLY. Snipertron12 Talk 12:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no "right". You can defend the page via policy/guideline-based argument at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Piccadilly. (Tip: The more you capitalize, the less persuasive you are.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Snipertron12 I hope you realize that there are 6.8 million articles in Wikipedia, the vast majority of which need attention. You have flagged only one of those. Shantavira|feed me 14:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wanting to draw attention to an article you have contributed to is not what Wikipedia is about. David notMD (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Im only accepting requests for new articles however - currently, there are no supporters for WPPicadilly so I can not take any requests. Snipertron12 Talk 18:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Expect Wikipedia:Piccadilly to be deleted. David notMD (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps instead of creating a page to draw attention to an article like Kasane Teto, it would've been better off to work on improving that particular article to more clearly establish the subject's Wikipedia notability per Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and WP:GNG. I've got a feeling that as soon as the "Wikipedia:Piccadily" page has been dealt with, many of those who participated in that MfD discussion are going to shift their focus to the Teto article, and it's likely going to end up being draftified or nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ive already stated multiple times that Wikipedia:Piccadilly was founded not to bring attention to a single article but to bring attention to multiple articles that have suffered the same fate as the one for Kasane Teto's. Snipertron12 Talk 17:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Im only accepting requests for new articles however - currently, there are no supporters for WPPicadilly so I can not take any requests. Snipertron12 Talk 18:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wanting to draw attention to an article you have contributed to is not what Wikipedia is about. David notMD (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
YouTube time stamp
Quick question: I have used the YouTube Time Stamp template in my sandbox here: User:Maineartists/sandbox (reference 5 & 6) "... or maybe I'll just teach you how to make soup."[5][6] But whenever I click on the link, it does not bring me to the correct time stamp. Is it because it is in my sandbox? or perhaps because my computer is bringing me to a previous history save? Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You've specified time twice, once in the link, and once in the template parameter, so it is obeying the first one given (the one in the link). Removing the
&t=XXs
segment from each reference link should get the behavior you want. WelpThatWorked ([[User talk:Video on YouTube|talk]]) 13:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)- I just tested that and removing the time segment from the link results in the video starting at the beginning. The fix is to change the time segment in the URL to match the timestamp where you want it to open (in seconds). For example, the 2d url, change the seconds in the url to 1224 and the video opens at her closing "soup" statement. Schazjmd (talk) 13:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, Schazjmd! Maineartists (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- WelpThatWorked gave the correct solution.
{{YouTube|id=zkl421Nug1s|time=20m24s}}
produces: Video on YouTube{{YouTube|id=zkl421Nug1s&t=20m24s}}
produces: Video on YouTube- The result is currently identical with the way the template is coded and YouTube parameters work but but that may not always be the case. The
id
parameter of {{YouTube}} is only meant for the video id. The time is not part of the id so use the first version. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
want to be posted
Courtesy link: Draft:Four Corners (Outdoor Game)
i made an article and it got declined because i had no refrences i added refrences and i have still not got any further infromation SaxorTheGreat (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @SaxorTheGreat: Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you've resubmitted your draft, but looking at it I can tell it's going to be declined. There are no inline citations, and you're referencing the homepages of a school board's website, which definitely do not establish wikinotability for your subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reviews may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. However Draft:Four Corners (Outdoor Game) is not going to be accepted because it does not have any sources that directly Suppory the content of the article, let alone reliable, independent or significant coverage. Some guidance relevant to this article may be found at WP:MADEUP. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi SaxorTheGreat, besides what Tenryuu said, it appears that an article already exists for the Four Corners outdoor game. Your title may be useful as a redirect but otherwise it would only become a duplicate and eventually be merged anyways.
- See here: Four corners (game)
- I hope this helps. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 07:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
I want to publish an article. Does the content meet Wikipedia's guidelines?
Founded in 1996, Premium Guard Inc. (PGI) specializes in oil, air, cabin, fuel, and transmission filters in the aftermarket automotive filtration industry. PGI has expanded its offerings to include heavy-duty, power sports, and specialty automotive applications, delivering a comprehensive service solution. Currently, several brands fall under Premium Guard Inc.’s umbrella:
- PUREFLOW®
- HIGHFLOW®
- PWR Steer®
- Silblade®
- ECOGARD®
- Premium Guard®
- Interfil®
== References:[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ambuj0070/sandbox&action=edit§ion=2 edit source]] == # [https://www.aftermarketnews.com/premium-guard-launches-three-new-websites/ Aftermarket News] # [https://www.autoserviceworld.com/premium-guard-acquires-auto-7/ Auto Service World] # [https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/premium-guard-inc-introduces-innovative-new-cabin-air-freshener-for-cars-301506953.html PR Newswire] # [https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201102005683/en/Premium-Guard-Inc.-Acquires-Global-Aftermarket-Filters-Business-from-Tenneco Businesswire] == External Links:[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ambuj0070/sandbox&action=edit§ion=3 edit source]] == [https://premiumguard.com/ Official Website]
Please check the above content and let me know all the references & the above content meeting the Wikipedia guidelines or not. Ambuj0070 (talk) 14:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely not. It cites no sources at all, let alone reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of the subject, such as are required to estblish that the subject is notable enough to warrant a Wiipedia article. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC). Maproom (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, as a draft on the verge of spamvert, it wouldn't even pass AFC. Please read WP:Your first article and WP:NCOMPANY to find out what this project expects of such topics. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- PRNewsWire and BusinessWire are both just places to post press releases - so they'll only ever be as useful a source as a company's own website. AfterMarketNews and AutoserviceWorld are trade magazines that probably do some of their own journalism, but in this case have also just reprinted a press release (this isn't uncommon in trade magazines, it's understood that they need some copy to space out the ads). So no, none of these source are significant, independent or reliable. Do you think that this company is notable enough to warrant a wikipedia article? Why did you chose it to write about? -- D'n'B-t -- 07:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Making an article for Deji Olatunji- requires administrator privileges!
Hi!
I have been trying to make an article for Deji Olatunji, who has in my opinion achieved notability several times over since his article was deleted/redirected to KSI's wikipedia article in 2015. The redirect page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deji_Olatunji&redirect=no
When trying to edit the redirect, you are informed that administrators are the only ones that can edit the redirect. I am unsure why that is the case.
A second problem I am facing. When you type in "Deji" and go to the disambiguation page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deji, the article redirect is now pointing at a notable fight he was a part of rather than at KSI! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr._vs_Deji which is not only confusing but I think also highlights the need for his article to be created, if there is no consensus on a redirect location and if he has taken part in a clearly notable fight!
Please get back to me quickly. How do I find an admin when I need one?Spiralwidget (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the redirect page is protected because of several instances of a poor quality article being created. And a consensus being established that the article could only be created via AfC. There's a draft at Draft:Deji Olatunji that you'd be free to work on and submit when you think it's ready. But I'd maybe read all the comments on the draft and this discussion before proceeding. You won't need an admin for any of that, only accepting the submitted draft would require elevated privileges. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You can look at Category:Wikipedia administrators. I am one, for example. However, an administrator likely wouldn't edit in your behalf. An administrator can move the draft over the protected redirect, but only after a reviewer agrees that it's ready for publication. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
renaming from sergey to serhii
suddenly my renaming from sergey to serhii in dedicated serhii bubka wiki page was canceled saying "changes did not appear constructive". someone please explain what should i do with that, because by that time person's name mistakenly continue to be sergey 159.224.197.118 (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- related page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Bubka 159.224.197.118 (talk) 16:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user. Your edit to Sergey Bubka certainly isn't vandalism, and perhaps Robertjamal12 would explain why they reverted the edit and described it as vandalism?
- However, the edit is a bit problematic, because our policy WP:COMMONNAME says that we should use the name most used in reliable English-language sources, and I see that (unsurprisingly) only the more recent sources transliterate his name as Ukrainian rather than Russian.
- I suggest you open a discussion on Talk:Sergey Bubka, and try to get consensus to change the name (and move the article to Serhii Bubka, which is currently a redirect). ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- This was proposed and declined back in 2017. at the time, the Edit summary was "GuzzyG moved page Serhii Bubka to Sergey Bubka over redirect: It's the proper spelling, yes, but this move has been discussed and failed. All the english sources describe him as "Sergey" and he himself uses it on his own official website, thus..." While his website no longer exists (?), most of the search results use "Sergey". David notMD (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
What was up with infoboxes yesterday?
I saw they were stuck in a mobile-esque view for most of yesterday but are reverted now. Was it some sort of technical issue or is Wikimedia testing out another style change? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Krisgabwoosh: see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Thursday_13_June_style_changes and especially Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Friday_message_from_the_Web_team DuncanHill (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- It appears unintentional, yes. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Thursday_13_June_style_changes for more complete coverage and phab links. Also maybe WP:THURSDAY for future reference. WelpThatWorked (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I asked about unclaimed Bank accounts, were there any answers
about 3 months ago I asked about unclaimed Bank accounts, any answers Jamiesonandy (talk) 18:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Jamiesonandy. Your question was repsonded to here. It remains that the Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia, which yours was not. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: OP indefinitely blocked for being not here to build an encyclopedia. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
How to edit a hidden citation
I'm a new volunteer and I thought I'd help by fixing bare URLs. There are two on the page of Princess Margriet of the Netherlands. I can identify the people in the photos, but I don't have access to the citations in the Visual Editor to do so. I found them in the Source Editor, but don't know the proper codes to use to edit them there. I'd prefer to use the Visual Editor, if possible. Please advise me.
Wintilde (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wintilde, welcome to the Teahouse. You could use the source editor to temporarily remove
{{Div col}}
below the "Foreign honours" heading. Then VisualEditor works normally on the following content. Restore{{Div col}}
before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)- That worked! Thank you. Wintilde (talk) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Re-use citation template with modification
I have a reference using a template like ref name=example {cite web |etc} /ref
. I would like to reference it again elsewhere in the article, but append a modification to the template like ref name=example {quote blah} /ref
. Is this possible? Thanks Tule-hog (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- We have a thorough guide on referencing here: Wikipedia:REFNAME. Ruslik_Zero 20:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- thanks, i found what i needed with the helpful {{r}} template mentioned on that page; my immediate use case was here. Tule-hog (talk) 20:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Is this photo in the public domain?
I found a photo of a magazine on eBay that happened to be the title page of a certain short story when it was first published. The magazine was published in the US before 1929, so it's clearly in the public domain (in my opinion). However, I'm not sure if the seller or eBay owns the copyright to this photo. Could this be considered "a mere 'record' photograph of a 2D work of art"? CyanWisp (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, CyanWisp. Neither the seller nor eBay can own a copyright that has expired. I agree with you that the image is now in the public domain.Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind reply! CyanWisp (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
consensus
Hi!
How many editors in agreement does it take to reach the standards of WP:CON?
Thanks, Pingy/Pongy 19:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no specific threshold for something to be in consensus, the aim is just to find the solution which best addresses the sometimes-opposing concerns of all editors (or the closest we can manage). If only one editor is working on an article, then (for the time being) they have a consensus with just one editor. WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does it look like I reached consensus here? Thanks, Pingy/Pongy 19:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, if anything I'd say you're being excessively cautious. Like it says in WP:CON, you can establish a new consensus through editing, not just discussion. If you're worried about making a mistake, don't be, reverts are cheap, so there's no real way to break things permanently. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Noted. Thanks for the help, Pingy/Pongy 20:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, if anything I'd say you're being excessively cautious. Like it says in WP:CON, you can establish a new consensus through editing, not just discussion. If you're worried about making a mistake, don't be, reverts are cheap, so there's no real way to break things permanently. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does it look like I reached consensus here? Thanks, Pingy/Pongy 19:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
MarketScreener
Hi Do you think MarketScreener is a good source for citations? Seems to keep pretty much up to date. Also they do not plagiarize from Wikipedia. Thanks Malevan (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You can ask at Reliable Sources Noticeboard if you'd like it to be looked at in depth. But my two minute assesment is: I looked at a few random articles from marketscreener.com's home page and while they're mostly repostings from Reuters, surrounded by stock tickers and ads, there is some original content that might be useful. I wouldn't mind using it specifically for citing things within the field of stocks and shares, so long as it's not about themselves, "Surperformance SAS" or "Factset, Morningstar and S&P Capital IQ". Whatever those are. (Not related to reliability: It's fustrating how the registration wall comes up very quickly, but it's no higher than a 12ft lader so the site is useable, if kinda ugly). -- D'n'B-t -- 20:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
IP address issue
I really don't know what I'm doing here, so apologies if this an inappropriate forum for my inquiry. I only made an account because of an alert I received that some of "my" edits - associated with my IP address - had been undone, edits regarding a personage hitherto unknown to me ("Sedat Peker"). The edits are not the issue. The issue is why my IP address was associated with these edits. Is there any way I can avoid this happening again? Will the creation of a user account do the trick? Thank you to anyone who can help. Gumptiousconscience (talk) 23:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Gumptiousconscience, welcome to the Teahouse. See MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon which was probably displayed at the bottom of the page if you clicked the alert. It says: "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users." You cannot prevent others from using an IP address but if you are logged in then you should not get alerts about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Inaccurate reference numbers
I recently created an article, Sivananda Sena, in which I added a note stating his birthplace is disputed by historians. I provided two different references suggesting two different places of birth, and included the respective reference numbers along with each. Later, after the edit was published, the reference numbers, despite the digits remaining the same, started alluding to different references, and not the ones I originally intended as citations for the claims. I tried fixing this issue twice but in vain. How do I solve this problem? Dissoxciate (talk) 00:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Dissoxciate. Does [2] give what you want? I suspect you tried to look at the displayed reference numbers in the rendered article. Never do that when editing. They are generated automatically after saving and cannot be used to make references. When you use
ref name="..."
, you have to match anotherref name="..."
in the source text of the page. The name in...
can be almost anything, e.g. an author name, but VisualEditor makes a lot of ref names like ":4". That does not refer to the reference with number 4 in the rendered article. A ref name is only used to refer to the same reference multiple times. The source text said:<ref name=":4">{{Cite book |last=Stewart |first=Tony K. |title=The Final Word: The Caitanya Caritamrita and the Grammar of Religious Tradition |publisher=Oxford University Press |year=2010 |isbn=9780199889372 |location=USA |pages=377 |language=en}}</ref>
. I therefore referred to that reference with<ref name=":4" />
. I use the source editor and don't know how to do it in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello PrimeHunter, thankyou for the response! Yes, that's exactly it. Thanks for your help. I generally prefer VisualEditor for editing, except in select cases; hence went with the same for this edit as well. I did indeed look at the displayed reference numbers in the rendered article, and included the numbers that I thought the requisite references were assigned. My bad. I'll keep this in mind the next time. Thanks for the heads-up! Dissoxciate (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: Ref names are not visible to readers so they don't have to be meaningful but the numbered ref names made by VisualEditor annoy many editors. If you want to make it more editor friendly then you could change them to something useful like the author or work, e.g.
ref name="Stewart"
. If you do this then remember to change every occurrence of the ref name. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: Ref names are not visible to readers so they don't have to be meaningful but the numbered ref names made by VisualEditor annoy many editors. If you want to make it more editor friendly then you could change them to something useful like the author or work, e.g.
- Hello PrimeHunter, thankyou for the response! Yes, that's exactly it. Thanks for your help. I generally prefer VisualEditor for editing, except in select cases; hence went with the same for this edit as well. I did indeed look at the displayed reference numbers in the rendered article, and included the numbers that I thought the requisite references were assigned. My bad. I'll keep this in mind the next time. Thanks for the heads-up! Dissoxciate (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Reliable sources and "blogs"
I have a quick question regarding reliability. Does "self-published" as a detriment to reliability count if it comes from a library? I am trying to write about Mundelein, Illinois, and the most comprehensive history is a blog series published by a librarian from the Cook Memorial Public Library District here.I currently have it in the further reading, and I am wondering if this is an acceptable source for the "history" section that needs expansion on the article.
P.S. where can I find a "reliable source" for roads inside a city that doesn't count as "original research"? And what are some great sources for finding about towns besides local newspapers? Thank you! SeymourHolcomb (talk) 02:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @SeymourHolcomb: from your description, a blog like that (by a writer representing, at least unofficially, a reputable organisation, rather than just someone's own private ramblings) is probably reliable enough to support at least non-contentious factual information, ie. matters of historical record, descriptions of geography and environment, that sort of thing. But as we often say, the wilder the claim, the better the source needed to support it. So if this librarian says Mundelein was founded by aliens from planet Zurg, we would need independent verification of that; and if they say Mundelein is the greatest place in the world to live... well, that's just opinion, and not worth the paper it's not printed on. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
How to Delete a Citation on VisualEditor?
As indicated in the heading above, what do I have to do to delete a numbered citation in my draft? I can't seem to find the function for that in the guide :(.
Thanking you in advance for your help!
Warmest regards,
Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 05:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Eleniofillyria: Welcome to the Teahouse. While using the visual editor, you can click on the citation and just press Del or ← Backspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Tenryuu :)!
- A thousand thanks for answering my question. I thought nobody would have noticed my query here :).
- Aside from figuring out how to delete a citation, my main problem was how to start the citations at the number 1. I had managed to delete the citation but whenever I keyed in a new one, it would start at #2.
- Obviously there was a glitch in the system :(. But it managed to right itself after I typed in the references at the bottom of the article.
- Nevertheless, thank you so much for your advice. I will certainly come back here when there are further glitches, which I hope won't happen again ;).
- Have a smashing Father's Day Tenryuu :)!
- Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 05:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Page merges - pending for long time
I want to bring to your attention an issue that has been annoying me for some time, but I don't know how to handle it myself. This relates to the birds of New Zealand.
I need to find someone with a good understanding of the relevant science to perform these merges without introducing errors, and is willing to apply WP:BOLD. Please consider helping if this sounds like a good fit for you.
Talk:Little_penguin: Merge discussion opened August 2023, closed with result of merge April 2024. As of today, the actual merge hasn't happened yet.The taxonomy is nuanced, as discussed in the merge discussion.
Talk:Yellow-eyed penguin: Merge discussion opened October 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.
Talk:New Zealand raven: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.
Talk:Xenicus: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.
Columbianmammoth (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Columnbianmammoth, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you don't find anybody here, you might try asking at WT:WikiProject Birds. ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Stephan Schultze general feedback + specific question
Hello! I just submitted Draft:Stephan Schultze for review, but I want to make any improvements that I can even though it's been submitted. It's my first draft submission and I'm also fairly new to wikipedia editing. I've gotten it as close as I can to the Wikipedia guidelines, do you guys see anything I should fix or could improve? I'm just one person trying to evaluate my own writing so a second set of eyes would be immensely helpful in identifying any issues. I also have a specific question but I am especially looking for general feedback/identifying issues I haven't spotted.
Additionally, one of the main sources I referenced for the subheading Zaki Gordon Institute for Independent Filmmaking is a blog/news website run by one person. However, the author cites existing news articles for everything that I've used-- his website appears to be a self-published news outlet for news specifically relating to Yavapai College, which is where ZGI was located. Many of the news articles are not available to me directly since they are cited for the print version in Sedona AZ and I am located.. nowhere near there. I didn't realize that the site was run by 1 person until after I had written much of the segment. Do you think the site is reliable enough for use, or should I rewrite the section to stand without referencing the site?
Thank you all, I look forward to hearing back. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 07:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have declined the draft because of it's heavy reliance on WP:IMDB which is not a reliable source because it is user edited, please remove/replace. Theroadislong (talk) 07:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Will do! Most of the information besides filmography can be confirmed elsewhere anyways. Is there anything else i should change while I'm at it, before resubmitting? Thank you so much! Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 08:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Father of Management
Peter Drucker 49.36.71.141 (talk) 08:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- That isn't really a question about editing Wikipedia. Do you have one in mind? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP 49.36.71.141. Are you trying to ask a question about the Wikipedia article Peter Drucker? -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Soliciting payment
Well it sort of is. Because if people’s articles are being rejected and then admin folk from wiki are going through those articles and approaching people in the public eye to get money from them to secure their page, that’s a problem. Where can I report this? BeacHal1 (talk) 08:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- BeacHal1, which "admin folk from wiki" are "approaching people in the public eye to get money from them to secure their page", and what evidence do you have for this? -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeacHal1: I believe you've mixed up two unrelated Teahouse threads. The discussion you started is right below this one. CanonNi's was asking the IP 49.36.71.141 who started the discussion above this one a question, not you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- BeacHal1, please read Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. People like this are thieves and liars and con artists who do not hesitate to impersonate administrators. Even Jimmy Wales got fooled once. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Heading
Hi Teahouse folk,
I’ve been waiting for my recent article to be approved after a slightly harsh assessment that I did t have enough inline citations. And then the assessor stepped off before I could rectify leaving the article in a resubmission holding pen! However, the person the article was about reached out recently to say that someone had offered to get it published for money! Can you let me know why this is happening? Seems very dodgy. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're right to be suspicious, as nobody can get your draft published for money. Please see WP:SCAM. The assessment was not harsh. Everything in a Wikipedia article needs to be cited to a reliable source. Please read WP:YFA. Shantavira|feed me 08:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I was told it was harsh last time I talked to teahouse because my citations were okay in the original. Obviously I’ve improved them a lot now. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @BeacHal1: RE your comment
"the person the article was about reached out recently"
, it sounds like you have some sort of an external relationship with this person. I will post a conflict-of-interest query on your talk page, please read and respond to it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- Not really. It’s the poetry scene in London and I’ve been trying to redress the balance of writers and poets on wiki BeacHal1 (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeacHal1: if the person you're writing about knows that you're writing about them and knows how to get hold of you to discuss the matter, then I'd say those are pretty clear signs of an external relationship. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- They didn’t know. But I know someone who knows them and they guessed it was me doing it. BeacHal1 (talk) 09:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I’m just trying to do good things on here. Not in it for any other reason. Just want to create articles about people that are underrepresented and don’t have PR or pay marketeers to do it. BeacHal1 (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeacHal1: if the person you're writing about knows that you're writing about them and knows how to get hold of you to discuss the matter, then I'd say those are pretty clear signs of an external relationship. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also, why would you turn the tables on me when I’m clearly trying to do good and not do things for money…!? BeacHal1 (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. It’s the poetry scene in London and I’ve been trying to redress the balance of writers and poets on wiki BeacHal1 (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @BeacHal1: RE your comment
- Thanks, I’ve copied that email address and will pass it on. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi BeacHal1.
- You're right, it is dodgy! You can read WP:SCAM for more info but basically, scammers look out for recently declined drafts and approach the subjects to solicit money. They will sometimes try to subvert the approvals process or just take the money and run. You can report this to paid-en-wp wikipedia.org, but as they have no connection with Wikipedia, there's only so much that can be done. If its identified as someone with a Wikipedia account then obviously they'll be banned. It's unfortunate, but the public nature of Wikipedia's editing process does mean that it gets targeted by bad actors.
- Most importantly, don't give anyone any money. If you follow through the AfC process then your article will get reviewed again, and when it's ready it'll get aproved. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate that. I’ll try and pass all this on. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it. Great name btw! BeacHal1 (talk) 09:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I was told it was harsh last time I talked to teahouse because my citations were okay in the original. Obviously I’ve improved them a lot now. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
1968 USA Olympics Basketball Team
1968 USA Olympics Basketball Team has Jim King from Akron OH, his name is James King a 1961 gradute of J.S. Clark HS in New Orleans, LA not Akron, OH 2600:6C63:447F:301:851E:798A:160D:43D (talk) 09:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor, can you provide a source for this change? -- D'n'B-t -- 10:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The articles in question are 1968 United States men's Olympic basketball team and Jim King (basketball, born 1943). His formal name of James is consistent with his article, which also uses his common name of Jim. If that is how most sources refer to him, then it would be appropriate to keep it that way. The place of birth there is shown as Akron, but with "citation needed".--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Is there any way to speed up the review of the draft?
Hi, I submitted Draft:Wat Paknam Japan about a month ago. I understand that review takes time, but as far as page views are concerned, hardly anyone has seen it, which makes me a little nervous.
This article is my translation of the Japanese version of the article I wrote, which was selected for the top page in the Japanese version as kyouka-kiji(enhanced article, similar to DYK5X), so I do not see any major problems with the structure of the article.
If comments are made on the article, I am prepared to respond to them, but so far I have received no comments.
I may have to wait and see, but is there anything I can do? 狄の
- @狄の
用務員 : Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like it was accepted by Theroadislong just recently. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
The draft has been published, but I would appreciate continued advice and clarification (if there is another appropriate place, please direct me to it).
I have removed one of the points made, the section on access. However, the other point, "promotional," is one part I understand and one part I don't. There are a few parts of the deleted section that do not seem to be promotional, and yet seem to be valuable information.
Before I go any further, let me clarify my position: I am a non-religious person and have no vested interest in this institution. Also, the University of Tsukuba paper that forms the core of this article is an architectural thesis and probably has no vested interest in this facility.
I see some people may feel that the flow of worship is unnecessary, but I think it is exceptional for a Thai temple because it incorporates a way of worship that is rooted in Japanese ideas, even though it is a facility for Thai people. The source of this method of worship is a paper, and I guess it was described in the paper because the researcher thought it was worthy of special mention.
As for Differences from Thai Temples, I think it is one of the most distinctive sentences in the paper, showing how Thai culture has changed to adapt to Japan. I have no idea what in the world is promotional about this section. I really don't understand this and would appreciate if someone could elaborate on this if possible.
I am also not sure why the statement regarding the relationship with the community was removed. When a new religious institution from a different culture is established, it is not uncommon for it to cause friction with the local community, and information about its relationship with the community would be useful. The fact that the local government introduced a poem composed by a citizen to the local community also gives us some insight into the relationship between the facility and the community.
The fact that the information about fulfilling the requirements for receiving the precepts by the five monks was removed also does not make sense to me. I personally consider the point that whether or not an organization can clone itself to be of mortal importance. I have no idea what is advertised about this statement either and would appreciate an explanation if possible.
- Hello, 狄の
用務員 . The Teahouse is not an appropriate place to discuss the content of an article: that should be done on the article's talk page, possibly notifying an appropriate WikiProject if there seems to be a need to involve more editors. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I gotcha! thank you. 狄の
用務員 (talk) 03:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Reference for a library collection
I need to create a reference a library collection on the individual that I am writing about. Smith Library papers, SSC-MS-00282, Sophia Smith Collection,Mary Conway Kohler papers. Smith College, Northampton, MA: Open full Biographical Note. Henrybardklein (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Henrybardklein. Use of citation templates like {{Cite}} is not mandatory. You can hand-write a citation by placing anything inside
<ref>...</ref>
. If SSC-MS-00282 is a designation for a collection of papers then try to make it clear which paper it's about. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC) - Hi Henrybardklein. Try this:
{{Cite archival metadata |author=Ellice Amanna |date=18 June 2019 |title=Finding Aid to Mary Conway Kohler papers |url=https://findingaids.smith.edu/repositories/2/resources/1071 |repository=Sophia Smith Collection (SSC-MS-00282) |location=Smith College, Northampton, MA |accessdate=15 June 2024 }}
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- Ellice Amanna (18 June 2019). "Finding Aid to Mary Conway Kohler papers". Prepared for the Sophia Smith Collection (SSC-MS-00282), Smith College, Northampton, MA. Retrieved 15 June 2024.
- There isn't currently a parameter for the SSC identifier, but I could add one, if you let me know where it should appear in the output. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 17:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking. Once I draft the page, I will insert this library citation. Henrybardklein (talk) 19:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Abandoned Draft.
Hello. Last year, I was in the process of drafting a Wikipedia page for William Graham Sumner's masterwork Folkways: A Study of the Sociological Importance of Usages, Manners, Customs, Mores, and Morals. I abandoned the draft; and, I suppose, after several months of desuetude it was deleted.
I'd like to get back to working on it (the desideratum being from that actual draft I had composed). Is this request of mine practicable? Or do I have to start from scratch? I'm sure there's a record of it somewhere. (is anything really lost on Wikipedia?)
God Bless. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @SpicyMemes123 and welcome to the Teahouse. You can usually get an abandoned draft back. Please see WP:REFUND for instructions. Shantavira|feed me 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank You for the information! I'll try my best to get the draft back! SpicyMemes123 (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to @Shantavira's solution, to prevent any worries about losing a draft in the future you can also make a copy of the source kept locally on your personal computer. That's what I did for Draft:Stephen Schultze before submitting for review, just because I was nervous and it was a lot of work to get this far, and I wanted to keep a copy as a personal essay if nothing else.
- It's very easy, just create a file in Google Docs or on whatever text-creation software you have on your computer, open the source editor on wikipedia, and copy+paste from the source editor to your document then save to your computer as your desired file type. A .txt file would work just fine. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 04:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Or better yet, set up an AFC queue to keep track, which is exactly what I did back at the end of April. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Bucolic War
I'm currently working on creating my first article here, about the Bucolic War between Egyptian herdsmen and Roman authorities, as I noticed that Isidorus has a red link for the Bucolic War. However, I also noticed that the article for Isidorus goes into great detail about the Bucolic War, perhaps rendering a whole article about the war unnecessary. I'm unsure what to do here since I'm still quite new to editing. Should I continue to work on my article? Should I stop and try to create an article about something else? Should I try to split the article about Isidorus? Zemmiphobia007 (talk) 16:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- It may still be worthwhile to keep working on your article. Isidorus doesn't provide as much detail as a full Bucolic War could and should provide, plus an article titled "Bucolic War" is a more likely target for someone who is looking for specific information on that event. It's also listed in List of peasant revolts. Reconrabbit 16:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Zemmiphobia007, there are a few principles you should look at here, starting with WP:Notability, and in particular, § Whether to create standalone pages. One issue here is to figure out whether there is sufficient content in reliable sources to fill out two separate articles on the two topics, Bucolic War, and Isidorus. If there is, then you can continue on your present path. If there is not (see https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bucolic+War%22), then per WP:PAGEDECIDE there should only be one article, and probably that one should be Isidorus, and you could add a new section to the Isidorus article entitled "Bucolic War", and add your new content there, instead of in a new article, which is likely to become a WP:PERMASTUB if created.
- Finally, your article consists almost entirely of a long quotation from a primary source. While there is no copyright issue regarding material copied from antiquity (there might be from a modern translation, but this one appears to be out of copyright), Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of primary source content. Instead of adding that long quote, just summarize it in your own words, and add a citation. Alternatively, you could add the entire content of the work to Wikisource, which is a repository of primary source content, and link to it from your article summarizing it. Someone has already uploaded three chapters of Cassius Dio there; see s:Dio's Roman History, which has the same Cary translation as you are quoting. If the content you wish to link to or summarize is not there, you are welcome to add it to Wikisource. If you have questions about adding source content to Wikisource, please see the Wikisource:Scriptorium (like our Tea house). (edit conflict) Mathglot (talk) 20:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Piccadilly (New project)
I have finally finished the rules for Wikipedia:Picadilly and stabillized it. If you want help creating a draft or editing a new page, Just request for it in the lower talk section! thanks! Snipertron12 Talk 17:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, this is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, not to advertise your Wikiproject. Sorry, and thanks. You could try making something for the ads template (although I note that the page is nominated for deletion). GoldRomean (talk) 18:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. Snipertron12 Talk 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Mobile app
I see Wikipedia has a mobile app in the Google Play Store for Android devices, why isn't there a link directing users to that app here somewhere on the website to show it's authentic/official? Usually websites with a dedicated mobile app would have a link posted on their website. Bzik2324 (talk) 19:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Bzik2324, and welcome! The apps are linked at Help:Mobile access. I have heard a few people say, however, that the experience on the apps is rather poor quality, and most folks that I'm aware of usually just edit in their browsers on mobile (for one, the apps have communication issues that are not so much an issue on the web version). As a result, the apps are not as well utilized as might be expected. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Bzik2324: The Android and iOS apps are made by the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. The wiki pages are made by volunteer editors who generally have low interest in the apps, and dislike interference from the Foundation. But maybe we should mention the apps a little more. I have added a hatnote [3] to App with a link to List of Wikipedia mobile applications for readers who actively try to search for an app. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
How do I defend myself against false accusations and false allegations?
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I have been the subject of some certain sabotage by user @Southdevonian for a mistake I did recently. I am not exaggerating this, although the topic does otherwise, but still I feel personally offended and threatened at the same time by this user’s actions, which for the sake of understanding I don’t know whether it’s intentional or just a misunderstanding. I really don’t have someone here to defend or support me in any way or to seek advice regarding this sort of inflammatory stuff that are being levelled against me. Also this is not because I am worried about me getting banned or cancelled, this is about reverting edits I have made a month ago, which were found to be “AI generated”, although I wasn’t aware of any AI apps until a week ago this month. I have asked @Southdevonian about why he would revert edits for the reason that have nothing to do with AI or a simple mistake in citing a source, but instead he tries using them as a weapon to justify his actions. Although I have no personal vendetta against him, I think might have one against me. Davecorbray (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Question about an image I want to upload
I want to upload the logo of Late Night with Conan O'Brien, because I found an image with the actual logo on it which can be found here. Would this count as non-free file, or freely licensed? I am also using two online tools to remove Conan from the image and crop it, so that only the logo is in it. 7s3s (talk) 23:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- If there's no notice that this is freely licensed, 7s3s, then there's no reason to believe that it's freely licensed. Is there such a license? Though I suspect that what you're asking is instead: If O'Brien is removed from this image, leaving the logo alone, would the logo meet the threshold of originality, or would it fail to do so and thereby fall in the public domain? -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- If your question is of whether the logo would meet the threshold of originality, then you'd better ask somewhere frequented by more people who (unlike me) are familiar with copyright matters. I recommend commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Infobox - How do edit values that don't show up in source code / visual editor?
Hey. I have never edited an infobox and cannot figure out how to edit the source ("Quelle") label here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BClz_(K%C3%B6ln). The semi-optimal solution would be to update it to 2023. But actually, that source label makes little sense, since it only refers to the area and population and not all the other info. Could someone first tell me how to update/delete the source label? I suppose I can then add references in individual infobox fields just as in the text? Grawiuton (talk) 01:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Welcome to a page where people can ask for advice on English-language Wikipedia. For German-language Wikipedia, try de:Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen. -- Hoary (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Grawiuton: Someone might be able to help you here, but questions for the German Wikipedia should be asked there de:Wikipedia:Fragen_von_Neulingen. I tried to edit the page so I get get your answer but between not being able to read German and the German Wikipedia forcing me into Visual Editor, it did not go well. RudolfRed (talk) 02:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Us couties on article map
State and bordering counties not apearing just the counties on a white background not a normal map 2601:246:CF00:CD60:D26:36F9:683F:9C95 (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is this a question, or a request, or just a statement? If it's a question or request, please rephrase it. (For a start, which "article map"?) -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- On my end maybe on other ends when i enter a county article any county in the us article and I go down under the first image to the map the map instead of showing te states outline with the county lines and the red highlighted county it is just the red highlighted county on a white background 2601:246:CF00:CD60:D26:36F9:683F:9C95 (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- When I look at the map for Orange County, California, I see Orange County in red, the rest of California in white, and the neighboring states in fawn, with their borders shown. If you're aware of a county map that isn't like that, please give a link to it. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- the counties in illinois and most other svg 2601:246:CF00:CD60:A048:DE1E:C1C3:3973 (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are thousands of US counties. You obviously haven't looked at all of them. When asked for en example, GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I guess it's a similar case to #Infobox probelem where the rendering of some old SVG files has changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Illinois_highlighting_Cook_County.svg 2601:246:CF00:CD60:A048:DE1E:C1C3:3973 (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it's an issue with the Cook County template using the wrong image -- MacAddct1984 (talk | contribs) 17:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- maybe it's like that on several other counties in illinois and throughout the us 2600:1008:B1A0:6013:0:59:E077:DA01 (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's very possible! It's probably not very convenient to do on mobile, but if you find one that isn't correct you can go to the associated template page and replace the image linked at
map_image = image.svg
with a more appropriate county map. - Actually, on further inspection, it looks like it is a much wider spread issue, particularly with these Illinois counties... -- MacAddct1984 (talk | contribs) 18:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the example. It's the same issue as in #Infobox probelem. commons:User:David Benbennick uploaded a lot of SVG files with US county maps in 2006. They rendered correctly previously but not now. Many articles are still showing cached versions which render correctly but if they have to be generated again by MediaWiki then the may all fail. I have made a working version of commons::File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County.svg and uploaded it as commons:File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County corrected.svg. I used the suggested fix [4] by WelpThatWorked. I don't have permission to overwrite Commons files but there may also be hundreds or thousands of files to fix and I'm not doing that manually. This is just to show a possible fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks maybe notify a admin about the issues so they can edit it 2601:246:CF00:CD60:90E9:E1DD:6B28:42ED (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I notified the uploader at User talk:Dbenbenn#US county maps rendering incorrectly and will first hear whether he replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi PrimeHunter, thanks for letting me know about the problem. And thanks for making a fix at Cook County corrected.svg.
- > I don't have permission to overwrite Commons files
- Oh no! "File overwriting not allowed. You attempted to overwrite a file that was not initially uploaded by you." That's new since 2006. It's a wiki, you should be able to edit images! Anyway, I see anyone can request "Autopatrol" rights at commons:Commons:Overwriting existing files/Requests.
- I went ahead and overwrote File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County.svg with your corrections.
- Are you (or anyone else on here) interested in running an upload bot to correct 3000 images? I don't know how to do that anymore since 2006. User:dbenbenn 10:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on fixing the files (should be just a batch find/replace), then I'll look into the upload bot thing. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is also discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#SVG file not displaying correctly - Microsoft Edge and phab:T367645. The trigger was apparently that MediaWiki updated the used version of the external software librsvg. Since the affected SVG files are said to not follow the SVG standard, I doubt there will be a MediaWiki change to accept them. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- A request could be made at commons:Commons:Batch uploading. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Nux has fixed many Alabama and New York counties but with another method which changes the bold state outline to the same as county borders, e.g. File:Map of Alabama highlighting Sumter County.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Suppose I'll wait to see if they continue then. WelpThatWorked (talk) 04:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Nux has fixed many Alabama and New York counties but with another method which changes the bold state outline to the same as county borders, e.g. File:Map of Alabama highlighting Sumter County.svg. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- A request could be made at commons:Commons:Batch uploading. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is also discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#SVG file not displaying correctly - Microsoft Edge and phab:T367645. The trigger was apparently that MediaWiki updated the used version of the external software librsvg. Since the affected SVG files are said to not follow the SVG standard, I doubt there will be a MediaWiki change to accept them. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on fixing the files (should be just a batch find/replace), then I'll look into the upload bot thing. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I notified the uploader at User talk:Dbenbenn#US county maps rendering incorrectly and will first hear whether he replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks maybe notify a admin about the issues so they can edit it 2601:246:CF00:CD60:90E9:E1DD:6B28:42ED (talk) 21:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the example. It's the same issue as in #Infobox probelem. commons:User:David Benbennick uploaded a lot of SVG files with US county maps in 2006. They rendered correctly previously but not now. Many articles are still showing cached versions which render correctly but if they have to be generated again by MediaWiki then the may all fail. I have made a working version of commons::File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County.svg and uploaded it as commons:File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County corrected.svg. I used the suggested fix [4] by WelpThatWorked. I don't have permission to overwrite Commons files but there may also be hundreds or thousands of files to fix and I'm not doing that manually. This is just to show a possible fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's very possible! It's probably not very convenient to do on mobile, but if you find one that isn't correct you can go to the associated template page and replace the image linked at
- maybe it's like that on several other counties in illinois and throughout the us 2600:1008:B1A0:6013:0:59:E077:DA01 (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it's an issue with the Cook County template using the wrong image -- MacAddct1984 (talk | contribs) 17:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Illinois_highlighting_Cook_County.svg 2601:246:CF00:CD60:A048:DE1E:C1C3:3973 (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- When I look at the map for Orange County, California, I see Orange County in red, the rest of California in white, and the neighboring states in fawn, with their borders shown. If you're aware of a county map that isn't like that, please give a link to it. Maproom (talk) 08:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- On my end maybe on other ends when i enter a county article any county in the us article and I go down under the first image to the map the map instead of showing te states outline with the county lines and the red highlighted county it is just the red highlighted county on a white background 2601:246:CF00:CD60:D26:36F9:683F:9C95 (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
In the working commons:File:Map of Illinois highlighting Cook County corrected.svg I changed
<clipPath id="state_clip_path"> <g id="state_outline"> <path id="1716" ..... </g> </clipPath>
to
<clipPath id="state_clip_path"> <path id="state_outline" ..... </clipPath>
.....
indicates a lot of unchanged code. Only remove the first occurrence of </g>
. The old id 1716
may be different for other SVG files. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Political Candidate Article
I’m an unpaid volunteer for a Congressional campaign in West Virginia. Our candidate won the primary race and will be on the November ballot. The other candidate for the same Congressional seat has a Wikipedia article and it seemed in the public interest for our candidate to have one as well. As Thomas Jefferson wrote to Richard Prince on January 8, 1789, “… wherever the people are well informed they can be trusted with their own government.” (https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/60.html)
With that in mind, I wrote the following draft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Steven_Wendelin
This is my first Wikipedia article and the review I received tells me my submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. I accept that as true. In the process of writing the article, I came to understand just how challenging it is. As such, I have no intention of becoming a regular Wikipedia contributor or reviewer. And I admire those who are.
So my question is this…
What’s the best way to get help editing the article I wrote to add the supporting citations needed?
Thank you. Jumpcutter (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did looked over your draft that you linked. My only suggestion is that users will have different interests of what they want to edit and such. If you want this to be an actual article that lives on this Wikipedia, then it needs additional citations that are reliable and trustworthy.
- Here is information on citing sources: Wikipedia:Citing sources. Feel free to ask questions on citing or if you need help with citing here. Soafy234 (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Jumpcutter. Steven Wendelin is running for Congress against Riley Moore who has previously served as an elected member of the West Virginia House of Delegates and is currently the elected West Virginia State Treasurer. There is widespread consensus among Wikipedia editors that elected state legislators and elected statewide officials are notable and therefore eligible for Wikipedia biographies. On the other hand, there is no such consensus for unelected candidates for office unless there is a strong case for notability outside of politics. Wendelin had a long career in the US Navy, retiring as a Commander, equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army. There is no consensus or agreement that officers of this rank are eligible for Wikipedia articles except for extraordinary cases that generate significant coverage in reliable sources, and that does not seen to be the case for Wendelin. If he wins in November, he will certainly be eligible at that time. See WP:NPOLITICIAN for clarification. Cullen328 (talk) 08:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Redirect on TheReidOut
So I noticed this user changed the redirect on the TheReidOut wiki page. Instead of it being redirected to Joy Reid, it got changed to Hardball with Chris Matthews. Does this redirect make any sense or no? I just want to make sure before I go onto their talk page about making incorrect redirects (if this make any sense).
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_ReidOut&diff=1229270330&oldid=975255147
Also, this user has made a few disruptive edits which is also seen on Hardball with Chris Matthews. What should I do? Soafy234 (talk) 02:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Soafy234: I've reverted their retarget as it clearly wasn't an improvement. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Rotten Tomatoes
Why are all critic audience scores for film reception response sections of film articles being deleted? Isn't it a critical guide for critic references? Why caused this mass deletion? Should Wikipedia start its own project for film reviews? If so, I really can't imagine the comprehensive would pale at all to Rotten Tomatoes since it is so widely iconic. Thanks. Azavaza (talk) 07:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Azavaza. What did the edit summaries say? Could you give us a couple of examples please? Wikipedia:ROTTENTOMATOES may or may not be relevant here. Shantavira|feed me 07:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Like this for example Azavaza (talk) 08:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Azavaza, that edit was correct. We do not use audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes. The subjective unverified opinions of random anonymous people are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. These ratings are prone to gaming and other forms of manipulation. When evaluating films on Wikipedia, we summarize the opinions of published professional film critics, not random ticket buyers. Cullen328 (talk) 08:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Like this for example Azavaza (talk) 08:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Croatia European Union
Hello, I noticed that on your European Union wiki page says that there are 27 member states, which is not true, Croatia is the 28. state and has been since 2013. so therefore there are 28 states in the EU. Here is the page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 09:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think you're mistaken here. Both the article Member state of the European Union and the EU's official website say there's 27. However, there were 28 member states before Brexit in 2020. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it changed when Britain left the EU, but here on the wiki page of Croatia, in the section: Independent Croatia (1991–present) the photo on the right says: Croatia became the 28th EU member country on 1 July 2013. Here is the full link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 10:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, just noticed your Brexit comment, yes I think you are right 2A00:1BB8:118:16F4:D0EC:9DD9:5E5A:3BCD (talk) 10:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
TYPES OF REFRENCES
what is the format of WIKIPEDIA FOR EDITING ARTICLES?
WHAT IS THE TYPE OF REFRENCES THAT WIKIPEDIA WANTS?
WHAT IS THE COPYRIGHT ISSUE OF REFRENCES??HOW WE CHECK WHEATHER ANYTHING IS COPYRIGHT FREE PHANTOM 097y (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PHANTOM 097y first of all, please don't type in ALL CAPS, as it is considered shouting. To answer each of your questions:
- I'm not sure I understand the question, but the Manual of Style might be what you're looking for.
- See Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
- See Wikipedia:Copyrights. In short, if you directly copy a piece of text that is not under a license compatible with CC BY-SA, it is considered a copyright violation and will be reverted and revdel'd.
- '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you PHANTOM 097y (talk) 12:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
HOW WE CHECK WHEATHER ANYTHING IS COPYRIGHT FREE
- A good rule of thumb, if you're using a particular website, is to scroll all the way to the bottom and see if there's a copyright statement there. It's not foolproof, but it's a good starting point. For example, your edit that came from Britannica, on their website it shows "
©2024 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
" this means it's copyrighted material and can't just be copy-pasted. -- MacAddct1984 (talk | contribs) 12:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you PHANTOM 097y (talk) 12:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
PHANTOM 097y, you can start by assuming that anything you read is copyright. A work first published in the 19th century is not copyright, because of its age. But if you happened to find something worthwhile that had first been published in the 19th century and thus was not legally problematic, pasting it into an article would be plagiarism unless it was dealt with very carefully, and probably unsuitable for other reasons as well, because the 19th-century norms for published prose and the 21st-century norms for writing encyclopedia articles are so different. -- Hoary (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you
This is not a question, but a message I think all Wikipedians need to see.
Thank you, all Wikipedians young and old, for taking your time to contribute to one of the greatest sources of knowledge on the planet. Whether you have reverted vandalism or have a streak of featured/good articles under your belt, you are valuable and have made the encyclopedia the wonderful state it is today. 79.153.226.3 (talk) 15:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
media viewer
is there a way to make media viewer next and previous arrow bigger? 2600:6C4E:B3F:3651:40F7:4F10:6681:2071 (talk) 16:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You might increase their size by using the zoom function of your browser (Ctrl + and Ctrl -, for zoom in and out usually), or set a custom CSS rule (via browser override or a wikipedia account) to make them larger. Alternatively, you might find it easier to use the left and right arrow buttons on your keyboard to change image. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
I have been crazy trying to deal with this issue on Wikipedia
Hi! I am Aarav Mishra, a Fulgoridae enthusiast from Uttar Pradesh, India. I am not able to deal with this terrible issue on Wikipedia. On my homepage I can see the suggested edits. I have set it to biology and hard edits, and then I only get to see the infinite spectrum of mollusc stubs on Wikipedia among which I only get to see a few other articles of other creatures. I see that these pages are not even explanatory, most having only an explainion of the family, common name sometimes and whether it is terrestrial or aquatic, not even distinguishing features written. I feel that such articles should be either deleted or improved, or they will continue clogging my suggested edits and will continue bugging me and other similar editors.) Uploader1234567890 (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Aarav. Wikipedia has a current consensus that any organism that has been formally classified is Notable, and automatically qualifies for an Article – see Wikipedia:Notability (biology), including the discussions linked on its Talk page.
- Because a great many classified organisms originally had very little published about them beyond their original formal Species description, there was not initially very much information to put in their articles, so they remain, for the moment, stubs until more is discovered and published about them and Wikipedia's (too few) volunteer editors find the time to expand them: you are welcome to become one of those editors.
- What Wikipedia will certainly not do is delete a great many articles because one particular user thinks they are too short. Any such deletion proposals would not succeed. Wikipedia is a long-term project and all articles are subject to further improvement: the only remedy for stub articles about Notable subjects is to expand the articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NBIOL is only a proposal. It's not policy or consensus yet. Slamforeman (talk) 00:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but it's all we've got in written form (to my knowledge) although it's been discussed a time or two on the Desks; it's why I said "current consensus" and mentioned the linked discussions. Maybe I should have written "provisional consensus." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- [“Because a great many classified organisms originally had very little published about them beyond their original formal Species description, there was not initially very much information to put in their articles, so they remain, for the moment, stubs until more is discovered and published about them and Wikipedia's (too few) volunteer editors find the time to expand them” @ 188.220.136.217 ] Hmm… please read what I have written below.
- My concept is that why keep articles when you don’t have any info?
- Please see my Fulgoridae articles, for example Pyrops ducalis or Amantia peruana, in the latter of which I even explained how to differentiate the subspecies.
- I try my best to distinguish each species from relatives which they may be confused for, and for that reason am not happy to see hundreds of almost empty snail article. Anyways, you can distinguish or synonymize species based on description and tell the species apart. Most species have photos, and that will make it even easier. Pls. Now tell me why are thay left blank. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 05:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NBIOL is only a proposal. It's not policy or consensus yet. Slamforeman (talk) 00:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Uploader1234567890: Maybe you could just browse Category:Fulgoridae and look for articles you would like to improve. They don't have to be tagged with needing work. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, there's a whole bunch of crappy mollusc articles with empty sections. I believe they were created by a bot back in the day. Biodiversity Heritage Library is a good source, and you'll soon be able to qualify for WP:TWL. Cremastra (talk) 23:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Where should I place a draft article that I am working on?
Where should I place a draft article that I am working on for Wikipedia? Henrybardklein (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Henrybardklein, and welcome to Wikipedia.
- The recommended place for draft is in draft space, so you put it in Draft:Title of article (with the real title in there, of course. WP:AFC will help you create the draft, and put suitable headers in with useful information, and a button for you to submit it for review when it is ready.
- An alternative is to put it in a sandbox in your user space: either User:Henrybardklein/sandbox (which I see you have already put a note in about the article you want to create) or User:Henrybardklein/Title of article (again with the real title there).
- However, I see that you have already created and submitted two drafts in draft space, so I'm not sure what your question is about. If it is that your drafts have been deleted for not being touched in six months, you can request them to be restored: see WP:REFUND.
- My personal advice is that any editor who does not already have at least a few hundred edits to existing articles, many of which have not been reverted, and which demonstrate (in particular) an understanding of reliable sources, verification, and notability, is likely to have a frustrating and miserable time trying to create a new article, and would be well advised to put the idea aside until they have learnt about these fundamental policies. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. I have done a great deal more work on the page outside of wiki as well as identifying extensive references from credible sources. So I am hoping I can figure out how to get it on wikipedia. and help is most welcome. The person I am writing about - deceased 38 years ago- made a great contribution to young people -mostly adolescents - especially those in greatest need, in our country, and should be recognized. President Kennedy made her chair of his committee on youth emplopyment; she wrote three headlined articles for the Sat. Eve. Post, and had many significant appointments. Henrybardklein (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Extra opinions wanted
I am requesting any interested editor to take a look at the discussion on Talk:Bernese Mountain Dog and help decide consensus on which version of the article should be used and improved upon. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- What a lot of stuff to read! It would be hard work just to figure out what it is that you and 7&6=thirteen disagree about. Maproom (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, sorry about that. This closed DRN is probably the most concise: [5] Traumnovelle (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I note that this is a solicitation. But I welcome extra disinterested and unbiased eyes and opinions. This has been ongoing for months. Please look a the latest version along with whatever else you want to peruse. There are multiple versions to choose from. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, sorry about that. This closed DRN is probably the most concise: [5] Traumnovelle (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Problems with a voice intro
Hello Everyone,
I met Adi Roche recently, and was able to take her picture and a voice recording. There two things I need help with concerning said voice recording.
The first and most important is that I cannot figure out how to upload it. The media uploader doesn't take the file type, so I uploaded it here on Vocaroo instead. On the commons page about this matter, it is said that you can request your recording be uploaded if you cannot figure out how to do it yourself. Here I'd like to do that. Thank you.
Secondly, I'd like if the recording could be cut after Mrs. Roche says "the island of Ireland", as I think what she says after that violates the voice intro guidelines, which I was unable to find prior to recording.
Thank you again for your help and time, Slamforeman (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Slamforeman, this is pretty obviously not a Wikipedia but a Commons matter. Ask at commons:Commons:Graphic Lab/Video and sound workshop. -- Hoary (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I fail to see the relevance picture retouching has to my audio-file. Slamforeman (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hoary I'll try there anyway, on your recommendation. Slamforeman (talk) 23:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Slamforeman, note the name, "Commons:Graphic Lab/Video and sound workshop". And when you ask there, do specify its file type. -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hoary I'll try there anyway, on your recommendation. Slamforeman (talk) 23:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I fail to see the relevance picture retouching has to my audio-file. Slamforeman (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Question about a gadget
Hi,
I'm wondering what the requirements are for using Twinkle. Normanhunter2 (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Normanhunter2, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:Twinkle#Quick info says under "Notes":
- If your account is very new, you will not be able to use Twinkle. You need to be autoconfirmed (at least four days old and have ten edits) to enable the Twinkle gadget.
- PrimeHunter (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, I'll go check it out! Normanhunter2 (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Question about Quality of References
Hi,
How do I raise issues with the quality of a reference? Is there a tag for better citation requested?
I ran across a case where a gre exam prep book was being used as a source for a quote and life details in the escher wiki article. I thought to myself that while this is a reputable source, a more relevant and higher quality source about escher would be better for supplying such a quote.
I did not have a better source offhand, but wanted to tag it as an opportunity to improve. What is the best approach? Mention the issue on the talk page? Leave an invisible comment? Or is there a specific tag for this situation.
Thanks. AskYourselfWhy (talk) 23:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- [better source needed] would be the tag you are looking for. Slamforeman (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, @AskYourselfWhy, I'd forgotten to tag you. Slamforeman (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perfect.
- Thanks so much. AskYourselfWhy (talk) 23:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, @AskYourselfWhy, I'd forgotten to tag you. Slamforeman (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
changing name of submitted draft for disambiguation purposes?
Hi!
I created a draft for a man named George Shea. Did not realize there are multiple George Shea's -- oops. Unsure how to change the name of my submitted draft? Also need some guidance on how to refer to my specific George Shea. There's no distinguishing middle name, title or anything ... he is the founder of Major League Eating so wondering if I should name it George Shea (MLE co-founder) ?
Any help appreciated, thanks!! Squiddyonwiki (talk) 02:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Renaming Drafts and Articles is actually done by 'moving' them to a new title – see WP:Move. However, it's not really important to do this while it's still a Draft, and when you come to submit it, if it's approved the assessor who does so will be responsible for giving it an appropriate title and ensuring this is properly entered on the Disambiguation page.
- Since 'your' George Shea is the only one living, and the other three already have distinguishing article titles and do not seem to me to be very prominent, yours might even qualify for the unadorned name. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.136.217 (talk) 03:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great, didn't know if this was my responsibility or not. As the creator I assumed it was. It has been submitted as a draft and will wait for the assessor to see. Thank you! Squiddyonwiki (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Help: account issue
Hi, I just start to edit Wikipedia recently and been editing in both Vietnamese and English. However, it seems that my lack of understanding causes my Vietnamese account to be banned forever with just a few edit, while my English account is still going well. I've been trying to contact those who banned me for over a week but it seems like I couldn't reach any of the administrator. The contribution I made to Wikipedia is also my what I wanted to share on my portfolio. I really don't know what to do, please help. Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu). Wikipedia is not a place for your portfolio. Please use social media for that. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Golden Rule in order to better understand what Wikipedia is about. Shantavira|feed me 07:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure I understand the issue with using Wikipedia for my portfolio. Could you please clarify what you mean? My intention in editing and writing articles on Wikipedia is driven by my interest in certain topics that I find impactful. After contributing, I include the pages I've worked on in my portfolio as evidence of my writing and research skills.
- For instance, I edited the article for the book "Anxious People" by Fredrik Backman, where I added information about the book's themes. My edits were not flagged, and I was proud of my contributions. I want to showcase my work on Wikipedia in my portfolio.
- Could you please help me understand which area of Wikipedia's guidelines I might have violated? Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies @Shantavira, I've forgotten to mentioned you. I hope you understand that my message is purely intended to help me understand what I did wrong. Chau Pham (Phạm Bảo Châu) (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- If your issue is on the Vietnamese Wikipedia, you will need to deal with it there, using whatever process they have to do so- we can only help you with issues on the English Wikipedia. I can't speak to why they would have an issue with you telling about your edits on your user page(if that's what you did). 331dot (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okok, thank you @331dot for your help! Do you have any suggestion onto how to connecting with people there? I've been banned so emailing and submitting forms seems to be the only way I can reach them. However, I haven't seen any respond for over a week so I'm not sure what to do. Quynh Tran Nhat (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can tell you that the Vietnamese guide to appealing a block is at this link. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t know any Vietnamese, but the OP appears to have an open unblock request on xyr viWP user talk page (along with a couple of blank ones, which xe may wish to clean up). Best to be patient; I expect an admin will be reviewing it in due course.—Odysseus1479 07:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can tell you that the Vietnamese guide to appealing a block is at this link. 331dot (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh okok, thank you @331dot for your help! Do you have any suggestion onto how to connecting with people there? I've been banned so emailing and submitting forms seems to be the only way I can reach them. However, I haven't seen any respond for over a week so I'm not sure what to do. Quynh Tran Nhat (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- If your issue is on the Vietnamese Wikipedia, you will need to deal with it there, using whatever process they have to do so- we can only help you with issues on the English Wikipedia. I can't speak to why they would have an issue with you telling about your edits on your user page(if that's what you did). 331dot (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
how to make clean interface on profile page
i have not started to make a profile page UnKnownrNone (talk) 02:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- UnKnownrNone, you have made a user page. Now perhaps you would like to make some constructive contributions to articles. After you've made a few hundred of these, you might consider drafting a new article. -- Hoary (talk) 04:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Trouble to get article approved
Hello, I am facing to get approval on my article, I am confused about what data is required to get approval on the article. Please help me with the suitable answer and guide me to resolve the issue. Thesilentshouteronthehill (talk) 05:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thesilentshouteronthehill: I guess this is about Draft:Forward Thinking Systems. I suspect that the subject is not notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. The draft certainly doesn't provide evidence of notability, in the form of multiple citations of reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. Maproom (talk) 06:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did some format fix, but agree with the opinion that the draft is promotional in tone and does not establish notability. See WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Help Required in Changing the Title
Hi everyone, I am a new editor to Wikipedia and i was trying to ask that if the top title can be changed and how? Alragon1 (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alragon1 Hello and welcome. Changing a title is accomplished with what is called a page move. If you think that your proposed move will be completely uncontroversial, you may go to Requested Moves to make a request. Newer, inexperienced accounts cannot move articles themselves. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ty for answering. I am talking about the display title. Can we change it? Alragon1 (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy link Muhammad Maharvi. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that's what i am talking about. Alragon1 (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy link Muhammad Maharvi. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ty for answering. I am talking about the display title. Can we change it? Alragon1 (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Natural region or Pays?
Both articles refer to the same set of regions, should they be merged or should one be deleted? (Check out Draft:List of natural regions of France). Excellenc1 (talk) 07:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
References to newspaper or magazine clippings
Hi, I have read through the citation guidelines but cannot find a clear directive for the following.
I am working on an article and I have references that are clippings from magazines and newspapers supporting facts I am stating about the subject. These are old ( 30+ years and not online ) and in some cases I can attribute author, date and publication name but for others the author is unknown as they are truncated extracts (clippings) where only the date and name of the publication is known. If the reference were to be challenged, or required to be proven, I have no way of attaching the image of the clipping...what do I do?
Thank you for any assistance. Danjam607 (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Newspapers.com I think would be worth trying for verification since you can make clippings there. Timur9008 (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Some are from publications not digitised on Newspapers.com but I will search. 122.150.142.187 (talk) 00:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Danjam607 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:OFFLINE says basically that if your source is WP:RS, go ahead, add the info you have to your cites. See for example Skeeter Reece, which has some off-line cites. Can this be abused? Sure, but the default assumption is that you won't make stuff up, and that if you do, we'll be able to deal with it at some point. If you haven't, check archive.org, you never know.
- Noting also that if you stick around, you will get access to the WP:LIBRARY, which can be really helpful in cases like this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- thank you, this helps greatly.I of course have images which I will provide if required. 122.150.142.187 (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Am I the only one who keeps seeing this map error?
Look at Bowie County, Texas when I see the map all I see is the red outline for the county on the map, I've even seen it on Harris County, Texas among other articles. In incognito mode, same thing.
Bzik2324 (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Haven't looked very hard at why yet, but as a general note for others, it looks like I have this issue too. Tollens (talk) 09:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's the issue at #Infobox probelem and #Us couties on article map. A fix of the SVG file is known but I don't have file overwrite rights at Commons and there is also a huge number of affected files. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ha! Clearly I should have looked first. Just found the solution and came back to find out that someone else beat me to it by a couple days. Tollens (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's the issue at #Infobox probelem and #Us couties on article map. A fix of the SVG file is known but I don't have file overwrite rights at Commons and there is also a huge number of affected files. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Edit summary feature on Wikipedia
I vaguely recall coming across a feature on Wikipedia which allowed you to sort/filter your edits through the edit summary you used e.g "BANREVERT" or "disruptive". I cannot seem to find it anymore. Does this feature exist, and if so, where can I find it? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Southasianhistorian8 I think this is what you're looking for. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's it. Thank you @CanonNi. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 09:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Resize image
Please, a volunteer should help in resizing this image
I could not do it because I had no prior experience (Chat With Term)talk 13:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Better now? In most cases, an image call needs the "thumb" parameter. Deor (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great one. I saw what you did and I copy that. (Chat With Term)talk 13:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Purpose of Wikipedia:Sandbox
Hey there,
is there a good reason for why one might want to use the Sandbox in the Wikipedia namespace (as recommended in Wikipedia:A primer for newcomers) as opposed to the Sandbox in the User namespace? quidama (talk) 14:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Quidama I think a main reason would be that IPs cannot create their own sandboxes. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! quidama (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
What would a full Wikipedia globe look like?
As in all the puzzle pieces are put together. 79.153.226.3 (talk) 15:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- IP editor: you may be interested to read WP:WPLOGO which has some history of the logo. The idea is that Wikipedia can never be complete, so the full globe is an ambition, not a reality. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
How is this different than the other categories?2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- There was a typo in your headins which I fixed. Otherwise it is essentially just like any other category.Shantavira|feed me 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hum, typo? No, exactly as i found it in WP is how it was posted o that would not be a fix but it does seem to me that this indicates what i ha oiginally corrected then was reverted by anothr editor is a mistaken action on the part of the other editor. Thank you.2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 19:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know. How is this different than the other categories?
- (To be clearer: I have no idea what difference you are talking about, or what it is that you want explained). ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously when the question has been altered it is difficult to understand what is going on. But i think the situation has been solved. An overanxious editor reverting a correction.2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Your post here said Ctegory:Organization founders and mentioned "the other categories" so it sounded like you were trying to link a category and somebody changed it to Category:Organization founders which is a category. Ctegory:Organization founders is not a category, it's a link to a non-exisitng Wikipedia article called "Ctegory:Organization founders". There is no reason to make such a link. If somebdoy does it in an article then the best fix is to change the obvious misspelling of "Category", assuming the article belongs in Category:Organization founders. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously when the question has been altered it is difficult to understand what is going on. But i think the situation has been solved. An overanxious editor reverting a correction.2603:8000:D300:3650:9552:9DE3:155C:3635 (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Introducing myself
Hello and Greetings from Boston,
This is only my second attempt to edit a Wiki page. First, I am being compensated for this work and have disclosed that fact on Wikipedia. That said I am confused as to how to proceed. My user name is: Yeem2022. I note the following received in a message about 9 months ago:
Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and says that "you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly".
My most immediate concern is editing the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elkus_Manfredi_Architects
So how am I to proceed? If I cannot edit the page directly, how will it be edited? I appreciate that all of the Wiki editors are volunteers and I do not want to burden them. Nonetheless as a paid freelance writer I have a deadline and need more information before I can move forward. In addition to editing the above page I am charged with creating about two new ones. Any information as to how I can move forward with this would be much appreciated. Best regards, James (Yeem2022)
Yeem2022 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeem2022, as a paid editor, you are correct that you may not edit or create articles directly when editing for pay. WP:COI further describes what you should do. To suggest edits to an existing article, state specifically on the talk page what edits you want to make (i.e., "please change X to Y" or "please add _______ after the second paragraph of the third section", not just "Say something about _______"), state what reliable source you are using which supports that edit, and then add {{edit COI}} above your proposed edit. For creating a new article, you would create the article as a draft, and request review by articles for creation. Both of those will add the articles to a list of things which need to be reviewed by an editor without a COI. That will not be done according to a "deadline"; the review will happen when someone gets to it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, you can create and them submit a draft about Manfredi. For the existing article about the firm, do as directed above. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- HOWEVER, you can improve references on the existing article directly rather than submitting requests. Many of the refs are URLs. See Help:Referencing for beginners. And consider working on the refs in your Wandbox until satisfied with format, then pasting into the article. David notMD (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you David for your advice. James Yeem2022 (talk) 19:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- HOWEVER, you can improve references on the existing article directly rather than submitting requests. Many of the refs are URLs. See Help:Referencing for beginners. And consider working on the refs in your Wandbox until satisfied with format, then pasting into the article. David notMD (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Seraphimblade for your advice. James Yeem2022 (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, you can create and them submit a draft about Manfredi. For the existing article about the firm, do as directed above. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
References?
Please advise me: I have drafted a page that I would like to have posted on wikipedia; I also have extensive citations that will, I believe, address verifiability questions. I would like to paste that page into my Draft Space; and then attach the citations which I have drafted correct in form, using the Wiki automation. Please advise. I have difficulty with wiki following all the different directions and names of things. So I need to keep it simple. Henrybardklein (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Henrybardklein. Your best bet is to use referencing in the visual editor by following the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. This is a word-processor style interface, so not markup language, and likely much easier for you to use. Ensure that you Publish (akin to Save) often, so that any errors in your browser cache do not lead to your work being lost. Qcne (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! 71.247.207.16 (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Complete list or create new surname page?
Hi, I'm a new editor just learning the basics. I stumbled upon the page Noro and realized it doesn't include Issei Noro, so I want to fix it by adding other people and places already on wikipedia to the list, since I have made some minor edits on other pages and it seems simple enough.
However, I realized that there are 10 people on wikipedia with that surname, and after looking at pages like Dauphin and Dauphin (surname) I thought that maybe I should create a new page for Noro (surname) instead and edit the Noro page accordingly, with a link to that new surname page. Which approach would be better? Thanks! Grunline (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a judgement call. Personally, I would simply add "Issei Noro" into the existing "Noro" page. That's because the lists are small. "Dauphin" is a bigger dataset, and in that case I can see why it is two separate (although cross-referenced) lists. As you come across other Noro-related articles, simply add them also. This will help you gain experience, not only in the technicalities of doing the edit, but also the weighing up of things and decision-making. (On the other hand, if you already, at this stage, know that there are many tens of items to be added to (say) the surnames, you might decide to perform the split earlier rather than later.) Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. I will start with the existing Noro page for now and will see if I make the new page later. Thank you very much for your insight! Grunline (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
How do I find what Wiki pages need edits?
How do I find what Wiki pages need edits? I swear it was the log-in portal before but it has been awhile for me. I tried writing an article but I think I need more practice first by editing and learning how to get sources. WindowColorCenter (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of different ways to search for things to do on Wikipedia, but WP:TASKS lists several good options for newer editors. signed, Rosguill talk 19:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, I think I will try that and would like to write my own articles soon. I tried writing one but there is not enough sources so I did not continue. WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @WindowColorCenter, I also recommend SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which is how I started out editing- it recommends articles that need simple and basic editing. Qcne (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I will take a peek and look at how to construct articles from there. I think I'm getting somewhere... WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @WindowColorCenter, I also recommend SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which is how I started out editing- it recommends articles that need simple and basic editing. Qcne (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, I think I will try that and would like to write my own articles soon. I tried writing one but there is not enough sources so I did not continue. WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Marking an article as requiring revision
I stumbled over International Organization for Peace, Care and Relief and originally made some minor edits. I wanted to also fix some references still using old formatting and noticed that the iopcr.org page no longer seems to refer to this organization; I remember seeing an update needed edit note on some other pages but can't find the appropriate template. How would I find such a template (so far, I have tried looking at things like WP:OUTDATED, WP:Revision and similar guesses, but I'm not sure how to search). Namnatulco (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Namnatulco, Wikipedia:Template index may be helpful. -- Hoary (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I would like to add more articles about Minecraft streamers from the Dream SMP, but I dont know where to start?
Can some1 help me please? HiimowoomgYT (talk) 22:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- HiimowoomgYT, you haven't made a single edit to an article. Please make dozens of well-thought-out, reference-based, constructive edits to existing articles. Then you might consider creating drafts for new, solidly referenced articles on notable subjects. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- i can't make stuff at all. :(
- i like anything to do with Rome HiimowoomgYT (talk) 00:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Consider checking out the Task Center for some beginner friendly tasks. You might also be interested in joining WikiProject Rome. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @HiimowoomgYT, you could also help out edit or improve existing articles about the Dream SMP or its members like Dream, GeorgeNotFound, Sapnap, Technoblade, or Philza, or other Minecraft community-related articles like Hypixel, MC Championship, or Build the Earth. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 05:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Consider checking out the Task Center for some beginner friendly tasks. You might also be interested in joining WikiProject Rome. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to upload a picture of a shipwreck to the page I am making
I'd like to upload a photo to the wikipedia article for Corveta Ipiranga V17. Do I need to fully ask permission from the people who took the picture (who I do not know)? Or is it suffice to cite their website for the picture? WindowColorCenter (talk) 23:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The copyright holder has to inform Wikimedia Commons (directly, not via you) that they license the image via this or that (unusually permissive) copyleft license.. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given that, is it best to contact the people who took the photograph or those hosting the website ? Some of the websites hosting images of the historical pictures I am looking for didn't take the pictures and those photographers and original sources. I'm afraid those photos may be obscured by time. They'd add a lot to the article. Any advice moving forward ? I just want to be sure I understand correctly. WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- The pictures aren't within mention of copyright holding if that matters WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @WindowColorCenter: Based on the info at Draft:Corveta_Ipiranga_V17, the ship was built in 1953 and wrecked in 1983. Based on WP:COPYEXP, it will depend on the circumstances of the particular photo if it is freely available or not. I suggest asking at WP:MCQ and including details on which photos you are considering. That's where the copyright-knowledgable editors answer questions.
- For your other question, as to who to contact for permission, that will depend on who holds the copyright. Often it will be the photographer, but not always. RudolfRed (talk) 02:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I actually went and submitted the article already for review. Is it possible to add a picture later if it is approved? WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes! Articles are meant to be edited so they continue to improve with time. RudolfRed (talk) 03:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes indeed, and in fact images (or their absence) should have no effect at all on whether a draft is accepted or not. ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I actually went and submitted the article already for review. Is it possible to add a picture later if it is approved? WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- The pictures aren't within mention of copyright holding if that matters WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given that, is it best to contact the people who took the photograph or those hosting the website ? Some of the websites hosting images of the historical pictures I am looking for didn't take the pictures and those photographers and original sources. I'm afraid those photos may be obscured by time. They'd add a lot to the article. Any advice moving forward ? I just want to be sure I understand correctly. WindowColorCenter (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
I think my article title should be in italics
How can I change my article title Corveta Ipiranga V17 to be in italics? It is a shipwreck cite. I'm unsure as the title has already been created. Thanks WindowColorCenter (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This is about Draft:Corveta Ipiranga V17. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Template:Italic title. -- Hoary (talk) 23:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I submitted the article however. If it is approved can I change that later? WindowColorCenter (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @WindowColorCenter:, yes you can change it later. However, I would withdraw the submission, as your Draft is not ready for mainspace yet as there are various problems. For starters, the lead needs to be entirely rewritten. The lead should be a summary of the main points of the article, and should not contain unique information not already covered in more detail in the body. For an article of this length, your lead should probably be just one sentence, and the current first sentence is adequate for now. Everything after that should be part of the body of the article. There are other problems, but I would start with that. Mathglot (talk) 03:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh cool. I found a few more issues after my submission. I didn't know I could withdraw an article. Totally thought it was set in stone from there, so really thank you so much for letting me know! As well as with the advice on the lead there. I really appreciate that you've taken the time to look over the draft and been so generous with helping me get on track as a new editor. WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @WindowColorCenter:, yes you can change it later. However, I would withdraw the submission, as your Draft is not ready for mainspace yet as there are various problems. For starters, the lead needs to be entirely rewritten. The lead should be a summary of the main points of the article, and should not contain unique information not already covered in more detail in the body. For an article of this length, your lead should probably be just one sentence, and the current first sentence is adequate for now. Everything after that should be part of the body of the article. There are other problems, but I would start with that. Mathglot (talk) 03:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I submitted the article however. If it is approved can I change that later? WindowColorCenter (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
How to edit images on Wikipedia
I cannot find a way to change a specific immage or add another one. Divine Wolves (talk) 00:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Divine Wolves, do you mean editing the display of images on Wikipedia articles, or the images themselves? I assume you mean the first. See Help:Images - maybe your question is answered there. If you want to edit images you can try InkScape or Paint3D but we can't help you too much there. If you want to upload a new image, see the File upload wizard. Note that most images you find online are copyrighted and you cannot upload them to Wikipedia. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
external links of adult content here which are not suitable for users
- I found some external links of adult content here which are not suitable for users so can I remove them? And if i do so, do I have to explain Why?
- here is that link:- http://www.eucetsa.net/eucetsa Naveen23006 (talk) 02:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Naveen23006: Where did you find these links? Could be someone inserted it maliciously, or a case of WP:LINKROT. If it used to be a valid (non-porn) link, then replacing it a link to the web archive would be good. RudolfRed (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- No. per WP:NOTCENSOR Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 03:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does not apply to what appears to be advertsing for Japanese porn site. RudolfRed (talk) 03:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Naveen23006: There is no general ban on links to adult content. We have to see where it's linked for what purpose. The only link at Special:Linksearch/eucetsa.net was your above post. Asking about alleged but non-existing links to an adult site does not seem like a valid reason to add such a link so I have deactivated your link. Maybe you saw a link added by your own software. Some browser exstensions and malware can add advertising links to viewed pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has no relation with that topic, it is just for malware attack and it can harm user's device. I don't think you should allow these unsafe links Naveen23006 (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- We would be happy to remove any unsafe links but you will have to be specific about the Wikipedia article(s) where you saw them, which you have not yet stated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has no relation with that topic, it is just for malware attack and it can harm user's device. I don't think you should allow these unsafe links Naveen23006 (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- ah, my bad. I misread it. I deeply apologize. Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 12:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Naveen23006: There is no general ban on links to adult content. We have to see where it's linked for what purpose. The only link at Special:Linksearch/eucetsa.net was your above post. Asking about alleged but non-existing links to an adult site does not seem like a valid reason to add such a link so I have deactivated your link. Maybe you saw a link added by your own software. Some browser exstensions and malware can add advertising links to viewed pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does not apply to what appears to be advertsing for Japanese porn site. RudolfRed (talk) 03:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
i have one query
currently in India a national exam was held known as NEET (National Eligibility cum Entrance Test) and in this exam the NTA (National Testing Agency) done scam with students, i want to edit the article 2024 NEET controversy - Wikipedia
Note - This Scam Topic is very important to be covered on Wikipedia because this scam is a national threat
Even CBI (Central Bureau Of Investigation) is confused in solving this Scam , i can see that wikipedians are not updating information on this topic, but i want to update because i have latest updates with proof
i think it is necessary to edit this article
give me permission to do an edit on 2024 NEET controversy - Wikipedia, i will give citations also UnKnownrNone (talk) 03:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- You dont need permission to edit a wikipedia article, in this case it is the same, but in case, i give you permission. TheNuggeteer (talk) 03:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- thanks sir for approving UnKnownrNone (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @UnKnownrNone Large portions of that article were removed recently by an admin as they were copyright violations. Please make sure that anything you add is written in your own words, paraphrasing from reliable sources which you cite as footnotes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- ok sir thnx for informing! UnKnownrNone (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @UnKnownrNone Large portions of that article were removed recently by an admin as they were copyright violations. Please make sure that anything you add is written in your own words, paraphrasing from reliable sources which you cite as footnotes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- thanks sir for approving UnKnownrNone (talk) 05:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Please let me know what the next step is for me to publish my article on Wikipedia.
Courtesy link: Draft:Ronald Thondickal
As a new user of wikipedia, after creating an article by one week, I get the option to move it to the main page. It now says my article is not ready for publishing and has been moved to draft space. What is the next step I will take to publish my first article.
Ref: RonaldThondickal Draft:Ronald Thondickal LegacitInfotech (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi LegacitInfotech, articles on Wikipedia are expected to have WP:Reliable sources, ideally ones which clearly demonstrate WP:Notability. These sources should contain the information presented in the article. It would also probably help if the article read less like an advertisement than the current draft does. CMD (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ronald Thondickal's journey from a small town in Kerala to becoming a key player in the global film distribution industry is a story of dedication, hard work, and passion for cinema. Et cetera. This is grossly promotional. If you want to promote this person, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 05:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- You have written your draft backwards. You need to read WP:BACKWARD, then discard all that unreferenced promotional text, and start again from the beginning. Maproom (talk) 10:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Removed promotional language. Needs refs!! David notMD (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hwllo, Legacitinfotech, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid you are having a common experience for people who start editing Wikipedia and try the challenging task of creating an article before they have spent much time learning how wikipedia works. It is like having your first music lesson and booking a public recital, or taking up tennis and immediately entering a competition.
- I always advise new editors to spend at least a few weeks making edits to exizting articles and learning about such key concepts as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, before even trying to create an article. ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Uniformity in Lok sabha constituency pages of India
Where should we make a project type thing where disputes can be resolved about "Uniformity in Lok sabha constituency pages of India" such as a)whether to write "General election 2024" or "2024" or make a link in the subheadings of election results, b) should casteswise distribution among a constituency be mentioned, c) whether to use + or in %+/-section, etc.
Link: List of constituencies of the Lok Sabha Sourish _ Paul (talk) 08:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Sourish Paul Shyamnagar India When looking for suitable project talk pages for discussions like these, I usually find that the talk page of the article itself will list likely venues. In this case, the talk page of WP:INPOL seems ideal and it does have some recent activity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is an article for each of the 543 lok sabha constituencies Sourish _ Paul (talk) 09:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- The first step is going to be to obtain consensus for any proposal. Actual implementation depends, like everything else on Wikipedia, on finding volunteers willing to implement the changes. Sometimes a bot can be requested to implement them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is an article for each of the 543 lok sabha constituencies Sourish _ Paul (talk) 09:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Feedback about the Appearance tab
I wish to tell the site designers that the recent omnipresent manifestation of the Appearance box (text size) on the RHS of every page is extremely irritating.
I have no idea where to direct this feedback as it is not about an article but reather about site design & operation.
Suggestions? Jmostly (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Jmostly I found this, maybe you'll find something helpful there: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Appearance_dropbox_menu. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
I would like to ask how do you add pictures in a page
Please help TheGirl4Luya (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheGirl4Luya, see Help:Pictures. If you can be more specific, maybe we can be too. The basic assumption is that any random picture you find online is under copyright and can't be used on WP. But context matters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)