Talk:House of Hohenzollern

House of Liechtenstein

Aren't the rulers of Liechtenstein still Hohenzollerns? --corvus13

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I don't you .Check http://www.webtop.com , I have to leave. user:H.J.

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I do "you" -- the family name of the rulers of Liechtenstein is "Liechtenstein". They've been around for ages -- since the 12th century, I think -- mostly because of their impressive ability to look completely inoffensive when necessary. Kind of like a hedgehog. -- Paul Drye

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No relationship. Have a good day!--Jacob Barsimson talk 06:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

William and Wilhelm

Um... what's the difference between Frederick William I and Friederich Wilhelm I? JHK

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JHK, you can see how difficult it is to tell them apart. I just added Der Grosse Kurfuerst to the first one. Please read the titles and about the patent, permit for building. This is what I have written about earlier to MT and you. That was followed all the time, no city or coin or anything was done without a permit. Therefore I believe that if a city and surrounding area write it on record (coins etc) that they were a civitas , they were a Freie Stadt or city state. Otherwise they would not have used it. If they had tried the imperial forces would habe gone after them. user:H.J.

Hi -- I did read them. I've been trying to explain that what you believe to be true is not in fact the case. It could be, but there is no clear way of telling. They could be calling themselves civitas in the sense of "the government and the people". There is no way of telling from one word what was meant (for certain). Also, you assume that nothing was done without a permit -- this is patently untrue. Nothing was supposed to be done without an Imerial license -- But the HRE had no standing army, no unified court system, no unified tax system -- in fact no real central administration! From before Charles IV issued the Golden Bull, and especially aftrwards, the Imperial government was only as powerful as the people who supported it -- and in the case of a great trade city like Hamburg, the license process may have been more along the lines of "We Minted this coin, Mr. Emperor. We're using it. How much do we owe you for the license?" You have to remember that the Emperor had very little authority -- just prestige. In some cases, the Emperor was strong -- but only because he happened to be an Emperor with lots of family lands, money, and his own army attached to family lands and money -- not because of an Imperial tie! JHK

HJ, as JHK is pointing out you are making a basic mistake of people dealing with legal history. Whenever we look at laws as a source of history, we have to ask "did they pass a law against because SO MANY people were doing it?" For instance, there are laws against speeding, murder, tax evasion - all those are common (sort of). There are also laws that are statements of ideals that have very little to do with COMMON human behavior. There are laws against terrorism, which is, thankfully, not as common as speeding. However, both of them have laws against them. Cities sometimes came to exist without legal standing - and then there were decades (literally!) of lawsuits about their standing. --MichaelTinkler

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(or sons) made no grammatical sense where it was so I removed it. Some one else removed the list of titles under Friedrich Wilhelm I so I removed the pointer to it. --rmhermen

How should a list without portraits look like?

House of Hohenzollern#Counts of Hohenzollern (1204–1575)
For example:

• 1488–1512: Eitel Friedrich II (c. 1452–1512), son of
• 1512–1525: Eitel Friedrich III (1494–1525), son of
• 1525–1575: Charles I (1516–1576), son of

The list should contain the following minimum information: Name, reign, relationship with predecessor, birth and death.--Mr. Boston (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Historical names

I think that we should follow the conventions on the discussion page for historical names? Since many, if not most, English speakers aren't as familiar with German history before the end of hte Weimar Republic, I think it would be best to put the name and "of Place", like Albert (or Albrecht) Achilles of Brandenburg, or Friedrich Wilhelm II of Prussia (or Frederick William -- it's hard to say, because more recent sources use the German names, but 50 years ago, they used English -- on the other hand, Karl der Grosse is ALWAYS Charlemagne, and Louis the Pious is never Ludwig the Pious or der Fromme!). Let's see what the others have to say, and maybe look at each one individually -- because there will always be exceptions, like Frederick the Great (well-known in English). JHK

English names make more sense. Sir Tony Britton (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Family Tree

In this revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Hohenzollern&type=revision&diff=1065576008&oldid=1065550699 I added a family tree. I want a family tree in this article that adequately shows the relationship of the Protestant and Catholic Branches. How can we properly cite such a tree? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The reason it was removed was that you didn't provide a source for any of this. We cite it by pointing to your source. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 21:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jpgordon: It is created from the infoboxes on all the individual articles, plus the tree in List of monarchs of Prussia. What would the proper format for citation be in this case? Also pardon the moving around of the conversation. I believe something in the tree made me unable to reply and it was unintentionally locked. MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's the tree
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Family tree Burkhard I, Lord of Zollern Frederick I, Count of Zollern Frederick II, Count of Zollern Frederick I, Burgrave of Nuremberg Conrad I, Burgrave of Nuremberg Frederick IV, Count of Zollern Frederick III, Burgrave of Nuremberg Swabian Branch Frederick III, Burgrave of Nuremberg John II, Burgrave of Nuremberg Frederick V, Burgrave of Nuremberg Frederick I, Elector of Brandenburg Albrecht III Achilles, Elector of Brandenburg John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg Joachim I Nestor, Elector of Brandenburg Frederick I of Ansbach and Bayreuth 1460–1536 Sophia Jagiellon 1464–1512 Albert 1490-1525-1568 Anna Marie of Brunswick- Lüneburg 1532–1568 Joachim II Hector, Elector of Brandenburg Sophie of Brandenburg- Ansbach- Kulmbach 1485–1537 Frederick II of Legnica 1480–1547 Casimir of Brandenburg- Bayreuth 1481–527 Susanna of Bavaria 1502–1543 Hedwig of Münsterberg and Oleśnica 1508–1531 George of Brandenburg- Ansbach 1484–1543 Emilie of Saxony 1516–1591 Albert Frederick 1553-1568-1618 Marie Eleonore of Cleves 1550–1608 John George of Brandenburg 1525-1598 Sophie of Legnica 1525–1546 Marie of Brandenburg- Kulmbach 1519–1567 Frederick III, Elector Palatine 1515–1576 William I of Nassau- Dillenburg 1487–1559 Anna Maria of Brandenburg- Ansbach 1526–1589 George Frederick regent 1539-1577-1603 Anna Sophia of Prussia 1527–1591 Eleanor of Prussia 1583–1607 Joachim Frederick of Brandenbrug regent 1546-1605-1608 Catherine of Brandenburg- Küstrim 1549–1602 Louis VI, Elector Palatine 1539–1583 William I of the Netherlands 1533–1584 Elisabeth of Nassau- Dillenburg 1542–1603 Sabine of Württemberg 1549–1581 John VI of Nassau- Dillenburg 1536–1606 Magdalene of Brandenburg 1582–1616 Anna of Prussia 1576–1625 John Sigismund 1572-1618-1619 regent 1611–1618 Anna Maria of the Palatinate 1561–1589 Frederick IV, Elector Palatine 1574–1610 Louise Juliana of Nassau 1576–1644 John Albert I of Solms- Braunfels John VII of Nassau- Siegen 1561–1623 John VII of Mecklenburg 1558–1592 Anne Eleonore of Hesse- Darmstadt 1601–1659 George William 1595-1619-1640 Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate 1597–1660 Frederick V Elector Palatine 1596–1632 Frederick Henry of Orange 1584–1617 Amalia of Solms- Braunfels 1602–1675 Maurice of Hesse-Kassel 1572–1632 Juliane of Nassau- Dillenburg 1587–1643 George William of Saxe- Lauenburg 1624–1705 Ernest Augustus of Hanover 1629–1698 Sophia of the Palatinate 1630–1714 Frederick William 1620-1640-1688 Louise Henriette of Orange 1627–1667 John Albert of Mecklenburg 1590–1636 Sophia Dorothea of Celle 1666–1726 George I of Great Britain 1660–1727 Sophia Charlotte of Hanover 1688–1705 Frederick I 1657-1688-1713 Catherine of Sweden 1584–1638 John Casimir of Kleeburg 1589–1652 Caroline of Ansbach 1683–1737 George II of Great Britain 1683–1760 Sophia Dorothea of Hanover 1687–1757 Frederick William I 1688–1713-1740 Louis IX of Hesse- Darmstadt 1719–1790 Eleonora Catherine of Zweibrücken 1626–1692 Frederick of Hesse- Eschwege 1617–1655 Elisabeth Sophie of Mecklenburg 1613–1676 Frederick, Prince of Wales 1707–1751 Augusta of Saxe-Gotha 1719–1772 Charles Louis Frederick of Mecklenburg 1708–1752 Elisabeth Albertine of Saxe- Hildburghausen 1713–1761 Christine of Hesse- Eschwege 1648–1702 Ferdinand Albert I of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1636–1687 George III of the United Kingdom 1738–1820 Charlotte of Mecklenburg- Strelitz 11744–1818 Charles II of Mecklenburg- Strelitz 1741–1816 Antoinette of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1696–1762 Ferdinand Albert II of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1680–1735 Amalie of Hesse- Darmstadt 1754–1832 Augustus William of Prussia 1722–1758 Luise of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1722–1780 Frederick II the Great 1712-1740-1786 Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1715–1797 Philippine Charlotte of Prussia 1716–1801 Charles I of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1713–1780 Louise of Hesse- Darmstadt 1757–1830 Caroline of Baden 1776–1841 William IV of the United Kingdom 1765–1837 Sophie Antoinette of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1724–1802 Frederica Louisa of Hesse- Darmstadt 1751–1805 Frederick William II 1744-1786-1797 Elizabeth Christine of Brunswick- Woldenbüttel 1746–1840 Augusta of Great Britain 1737–1813 Charles William of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1735–1806 Francis of Saxe-Coburg- Saalfeld1750–1806 Frederick William III 1770-1797-1840 Louise of Mecklenburg- Strelitz 1776–1810 Charles Frederick of Saxe-Weimar- Eisenach 1783–1853 Caroline of Brunswick- Wolfenbüttel 1768–1821 George IV of the United Kingdom 1762–1830 Frederick of York and Albany 1763–1827 Frederica Charlotte of Prussia 1767–1820 Edward of Kent and Strathearn 1767–1820 Victoria of Saxe-Coburg- Saalfeld 1786–1861 Emich Carl of Leiningen 1763–1814 Ernerst I of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha 1784–1844 Louise of Saxe-Gotha- Altenburg 1800–1831 William I the Great 1797-1861-1888 Augusta of Saxe- Weimar- Eisenach 1811–1890 Caroline Matilda of Great Britain 1751–1775 Frederick William IV of Prussia 1795-1840-1861 Elisabeth Ludovika of Bavaria 1801–1873 Victoria of the United Kingdom 1819–1901 Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha 1819–1861 Louise Augusta of Denmark 1771–1843 Frederick Christian II of Schleswig- Holstein 1765–1814 Feodora of Leiningen 1807–1872 Ernest I of Hohenlohe- Langenburg 1794–1860 Victoria of the United Kingdom 1840–1901 Frederick III 1831-1888-1888 Louise Sophie of Danneskiold- Samsøe 1796–1867 Christian August II of Augustenburg 1798–1869 Adelheid of Hohenlohe- Langenburg 1835–1900 Frederick VIII of Schleswig- Holstein 1829–1880 Frederick Francis II of Mecklenburg- Schwerin 1823–1883 Augusta Reuss of Köstritz 1822–1862 Alexander II of Russia 1818-1855-1881 Maria of Hesse and by Rhine 1824–1880 Augusta Victoria of Schleswig- Holstein 1858–1921 William II 1859-1888-1918-1941 in pretence 1918–1941 Frederick Francis III of Mecklenburg Schwerin 1851–1897 Marie of Mecklenburg- Schwerin 1854–1920 Vladimir Alexandrovich of Russia 1847–1909 Maria Alexandrovna of Russia 1853–1920 Alfred of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha 1844–1900 Frederick William V in pretence 1882-1941-1951 Cecilie of Mecklenburg- Schwerin 1886–1945 Kirill Vladimirovich of Russia 1876–1938 Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha 1876–1936 Louis Ferdinand in pretence 1907-1951-1994 Kira Kirillovna of Russia 1909–1967 Donata of Castell- Rüdenhausen 1950–2015 Louis Ferdinand of Prussia 1944–1977 George Frederick in pretence 1976-1994-