Talk:Jeberti people

Copyvio

This page needs to be wikified and turned into a true encyclopedic article instead of a copy and paste from a website. Merhawie 13:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

That copy-and-paste is most probably a copyright violation, thus I have reverted it even though google did not find the source yet. If it isn't - that text is still in the editing history of the article, and thus can be worked into the current version from there. andy 16:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for beating me to it. ;) Yom 18:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Islam

Are all Jeberti Sunni?

Yes, they are all Sunni Muslims. By the way, I just made the new changes to the page, to make it look a bit more professional. I wanted to make some major changes but then decided to keep them to a minimum (didn't save those changes) and add the other information at a later date. There's a lot more info in Arabic and Tigrinya that I need to translate before I can add the stub. Quick question, how will I reference those texts (i.e. ISBN and otherwise?). BTW there might be some "facts" that need to be verified24.114.255.83 03:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Best way to do so would be to use the templates. These can be done by WP:CITE and click on templates. and then just use the references tag. You should also join the [WP:ERI|Eritrea WikiProject]] and add your name. Merhawie 19:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone (or group) keep vandalizing this page. That's why I placed the protection on the page.

That is fine, just make sure you sign in and/or sign your posts so we know... --Merhawie 03:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Possibility of Adding the Meaning of Jabarti

Is it possible to add to this page that Jabara means to force (as in subdue or dominate) in the Argobba language? In one of the Ethiopian chronicles, they mention how the Christians took over Gabar-Ge and Wej, which are in the interior of the Horn of Africa. GetRektLLLLL (talk) 19:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

We cannot do WP:original research based on our own interpretation of existing data. You need a reliable source that explicitly provides an etymology of the name "Jeberti". –Austronesier (talk) 21:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok sounds fair. Let me know if you find the etymology of the word Jabarti. GetRektLLLLL (talk) 21:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed you reverted my edit. The article should be named Jabarti since that’s how it is said and spelled. The Sultanate of Ifat was also known as Jabarta. Sultanate of Ifat#Location Jeberti is inaccurate and most likely a European or Amharic pronouncing. The article also has the Egyptian pronunciation Gabarti after the Islamic scholar from Cairo. Abd al-Rahman al-Jabarti not to mention his Somali father Hassan al-Jabarti. I suggest it should be changed to Jabarti people instead of Jeberti.[1] Coastalmerch (talk) 20:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Can we agree that the page should be renamed again to Jabarti people instead of Jeberti? @Austronesier@Cookiemonster1618 Coastalmerch (talk) 08:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok change it back to Jabarti. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Coastalmerch (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Coastalmerch: No. This is not how consensus is achieved. So please restore the original page title and start a proper discussion. "Proper" meaning that you actually wait for input from other editors who disagree with you. And for a page to be moved if there is disagreement, the only correct way to do this is outlined here: WP:RM/CM.

Also, what makes you believe that "Jeberti" is a misspelling whereas only "Jabarti" is supposed to be correct? The word is of Arabic origin, so actually its correct spelling is الجبرتي, no? Let's get things straight: Jeberti is not a misspelling, but an English rendering of the word that is frequently used in reliable academic sources. See for example the results of this Google Scholar search. "Jabarti" is the standard transliteration with "a" for fathah, but the "e" is not a misspelling just because it does not conform to the common transliteration of Arabic; by the same logic, Mecca, Medina, Yemen, Emir and dozens of others would be misspellings, too. The only relevant guidance for Wikipedia page titles is WP:COMMONNAME.

I don't a priori reject the possibility that "Jabarti people" is the best title (i.e. the common name used in reliable sources in English) for this article, but the WP:ONUS is on you to show that. So again, please restore the original page title and intiate a formal move discussion. Otherwise, I will request this page to be move-locked and its title to be restored to the status quo ante. –Austronesier (talk) 18:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cookiemonster1618 said it was ok and was the one who reverted the edit in the beginning. I thought that was the consensus. He agreed with Jabarti, it’s more suitable and Jeberti People redirects viewers to the same page. “Jaberti” is another rendering used and should also be redirected to this page. Coastalmerch (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Coastalmerch: So now that you know a consensus for a page move is not achieved by two editors alone, will you self-revert? –Austronesier (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

It won’t let me. I just tried, it says another page already exists with the same name? Coastalmerch (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Coastalmerch: I have asked for a technical revert of the undiscussed move to "reset" the discussion. If you need help with the procedure of WP:RM/CM, I'll gladly help out (regardless of whether I disagree or not—it's a matter of fair play). –Austronesier (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

To be honest the only reason I said ok was because I looked at the discussion and at that time I just woke up. Seeing the name Jeberti was the original name of the article what makes you think that it is an 'Amharic spelling' considering how most Jeberti Muslims in Ethiopia and Eritrea speak Tigrigna and not Amharic. Also the community in Ethiopia and Eritrea specifically refers to itself as 'Jeberti' and not 'Jabarti'. 'Jabarti' sounds like the Latin autonym name of the Arabic word جبرتي, and it can also be argued that the community would consider it a misspelling as well, especially considering how they use the specific name 'Jeberti' to refer to themselves. I reverted it because of that and also because the original article was titled Jeberti. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)