Talk:Ninoy Aquino

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I moved the page back from Benigno Aquino Jr. because he is more widely known under this name. As far as I know his father was not famous (or if he was, it's not in the article). - Hephaestos 08:03 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Actually, he's more widely known as Ninoy Aquino. If you're going to use Benigno Aquino, then it should properly have the Jr. in it. It makes no harm in having Benigno Aquino redirect to Benigno Aquino Jr. It actually adds info for the casual researcher. I know Benigno Aquino Sr. is not known, but his son, Benigno Aquino III is a congress representative from Tarlac (and might possibly have his own article in the future). —seav 08:09 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

That's a hard one (I'm beginning to think there are a lot of hard ones *grin*). I didn't know about his son either, but that sounds like a mitigating circumstance. If someone wants to move the article back to Jr., I won't object. - Hephaestos 08:24 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Actually, Benigno Aquino Sr. was a Filipino senator, if I recall correctly. TheCoffee 15:11, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ehhh.... this needs to be checked for NPOV. Badly. - thesocialistesq—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.1.90.148 (talk) 01:39, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

/summary This is a barebones summary to initiate the article into different languages. Please do not expand. Please feel free to enter only essential data.--Jondel 00:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Do you mind if you guys elaborate on his Education? thanks John earlm 23:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Please discuss Ninoy's educational background. John earlm 23:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

The discussion regarding Ninoy's imprisonment, military trial and hunger strike are all placed under the topic "On the Road to Martial Law", even though all these events occurred after martial law was declared. Maybe the next topic, "Batasang Pambansa elections and heart bypass surgery" can be renamed "Imprisonment, 1978 elections and heart bypass surgery" and the discussion of post-1972 events be transposed therein? [[Anyo Niminus 17:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)]]

Hello, everyone. I have been doing some edits to make this page cohere more closely to related pages and reduce irrelevant and slanted information. Your feedback would be quite helpful. Thanks! Elchori01 —Preceding undated comment added 15:19, 17 August 2011 (UTC).

Imelda asked Ninoy to return if he leaves for a heart surgery?!

In the following snippet from the article:On May 8, 1980, Imelda Marcos came to Ninoy's hospital room. She asked him if he would like to leave that evening for the U.S., but not before agreeing on two covenants: 1.) That if he leaves, he will return; is 1.) correct?--Jondel 04:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

This is known as a Marcos (Imelda being a Marcos) "double talk" or as we refer in the Philippines "double speak" (a well-known Marcos ploy). She was granting him a "leave" on condition that he would return, when all the while she was sure that he would not, at least not in the near future because of a sentence condemning Aquino to death by the military tribunal. He returned anyway, much to the shock of Imelda and cohorts, and the rest is history.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.81.181 (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Some problems

Is it appropriate to use his nickname so frequently instead of his family name? Seems to diminish the authority of the article, which already has a bit of a hagiographic tone. Also: this article needs a lot more citations. One example is the end of the "I will go back" section. A few too many weasel words (critics say, etc.).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrasirradient (talk • contribs) 21:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

please note that the the quote under the 500 peso bill is incorrect....it says "..undying for...., should be "....dying for..." thanks."202.156.14.74 (talk) 17:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Gena

Allegation of bias

To quote, "Although Ninoy Aquino was recognized as the most prominent and most outspoken critic of the Marcos dictatorship, he was regarded by many, in the years prior to martial law, as representative of the entrenched familial bureaucracy which, to this day, still predominates Philippine politics." This part of the article is biased and needs to be suppressed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unitvm (talk • contribs) 04:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's one of the more balanced parts. It mentions both good and bad about him. Mdotley 17:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any bias. Ninoy Aquino came from political families: grandfather and father both served in high positions in government. His wife is from a rich and powerful clan. He himself had been "entrenched" in politics, having served as counselor, mayor, vice-governor, governor, senator, and had it not been for Marcos, would have been president. His brother, sister and now his son ran and won seats in Congress and the senate. The political system of "inheriting government positions" is a traditional practice in my country, and is widely accepted by the masses, surely a detriment to progress. In the Philippines a candidate to a government position with "no name", no money, and no political machinery, does not stand a chance of being elected.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.81.181 (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I beg to disagree, it is not true. Only shallow people belief that.58.69.218.181 (talk) 03:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

"In the Philippines a candidate to a government position with "no name", no money, and no political machinery, does not stand a chance of being elected."... I believe this true of any country. 82.30.110.20 (talk) 04:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Murder conviction

Aquino was convicted by then president Marcos of Murder. Pls note that this not a category for murderers nor or does it imply that Ninoy was a murderer.--Jondel 08:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Aquino was convicted of murder by a non-legitimate, Marcos-controlled military tribunal. The conviction had no legal basis, no investigation was made and no legal recourse for Aquino. The link to "filipinos convicted murder" without an explanation, is, in my opinion, quite misleading.KaElin 23:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)kaElin

I agree. The case is the same for Lorenzo Ruiz (Spanish controlled tribunal), Flor Contemplacion(biased Singaporean tribunal)and others. Since it is controversial and may be misleading , I will be removing this category .--Jondel 03:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Jondel. KaElin 23:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)KaElin

Disagree. It should be reinstated. It doesn't matter who tried the person. --Howard the Duck 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

POV

The article has too much {{POV}}. Most of it has to be rewritten or rephrased--not worthy of an encyclopedia article.KaElin 03:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The article's information is good, but the writing style should be revised to be more neutral. The statement "In myriad ways Aquino bedeviled the Marcos regime, chipping away at its monolithic facade" is diatribe and does not really impart any information. Gryphon Hall (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Rename article

I seriously think we should rename the article to Ninoy Aquino per the WP:MOS on article naming. Same reason why Bill Clinton is the article while William Jefferson Clinton is a redirect. Shrumster 17:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

True. There are technically three Benigno Aquino articles in wikipedia: ne about Senator Igno Aquino, One for Senator Ninoy himself, and another for his son Senator Noynoy. Whereas the name "Ninoy Aquino" is exclusive to him alone. -- User:Nejibana17 —Preceding undated comment added 14:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC).

HE IS NOT First Gentleman Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino, Jr.

...since he's dead already. The marriage lasts until death, not until the widow/er remarries when his/her spouse died. --Howard the Duck 08:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, unless someone objects I'll be removing all instances of being "first gentleman". --Howard the Duck 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree --Carsjme (talk) 11:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Timeline

It seems to me that Judge Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr. is not as important to the "timeline of Ninoy murder case" as references to him seem to indicate. I'm bringing it up here first, but I intend to remove some of the mentions of him, particularly his subsequent promotions, unless there are reasonable objections. maxsch (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Iconic Image

May i ask, who deleted the iconic picture of Ninoy Aquino?? --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 07:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

PictureC

can't we get a better pic than the one we have right now? like, for starters, an actual picture of him or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.187.138 (talk) 07:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Depicting the Ninoy Aquino in currency is not only unethical in the academic sense, but is also disrespectful to Senator Aquino Himself. A real picture must be shown, not the 500 peso bill. It is just the same as saying thet Ninoy is only a peso bill and not an actual person himself. User: Nejibana17 —Preceding undated comment added 14:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC).

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus. @harej 00:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Benigno Aquino, Jr. → Ninoy Aquino — Although he was called Senator Benigno Aquino, Jr., his nickname "Ninoy Aquino" is more common along Filipinos. According to this, names should be the name recognisable by the public. Ninoy Aquino is more recognisable by Filipino public rather than Benigno Aquino, Jr. Also, in this, Senator Aquino Jr. used Ninoy more often than Benigno in writing. JL 09 _^q?c 12:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose Ninoy may be more common among Filipinos, but the general naming conventions recommend "Name articles in accordance with what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize". A Google search indicates that Benigno Aquino (735,000 hits) is more common than Ninoy Aquino (627,000). Favonian (talk) 13:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Google hits doesn't indicate significance of the name. Remember that there are three Benigno Aquino's in Philippine politics, namely Senator Benigno Q. Aquino (First Benigno Aquino to become senator), Senator Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. (the person described by this article, and current Senator Benigno C. Aquino III; so more likely that the Google hits "Benigno Aquino" does not only point to Senator Aquino Jr. Senator Aquino commonly called as Ninoy Aquino. Even the airport was not named Benigno Aquino, Jr. International Airport.--JL 09 _^q?c 13:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. I tend to think of Google hits as being precise only to an order of magnitude. To my mind, 735,000 to 627,000 is a tie, and doesn't seem to take a finer-grained look at use in reliable sources, which is certainly something we take into account. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: WP:NC also recommends consistency between similar articles; Benigno Aquino, Sr., Benigno Aquino, Jr., Benigno Aquino III seems indicated. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral. I agree that Ninoy Aquino is more well-known than Benigno Aquino, Jr. (e.g., Ninoy Aquino International Airport) but I have no inkling either way. The Sr./Jr./III consistency is a nice argument for the status quo but we also have nicknamed articles like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates which provide support for the proposed move. The three Benignos are not royalty so the consistency issue is not a strong factor, I think. If the move would succeed, then the next debate is the move from Corazon Aquino to Cory Aquino, for similar reasons. --seav (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Plus the names of senators like Jamby Madrigal is not named on her real name but on her nickname. Gloria Arroyo is also not titled as Maria Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Next debate would also be Erap Estrada so to speak.--JL 09 _^q?c 12:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• Agree There will certainly be a redirect from this Benigno Jr to Ninoy, so it's not like people wouldn't be able to find the article. The wikipedia convention is pretty simple, use the name he went by. xschm (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose It is conceded that Ninoy Aquino is, in the Philippines, more commonly known as Ninoy Aquino. However, I do not agree with the idea that just because Filipinos more commonly call Benigno Aquino, Jr. "Ninoy", it is right to impose such a convention among other, non-Filipino Anglophones, many of which perhaps don't even know that Benigno Aquino, Jr. was nicknamed "Ninoy" in the first place. Unless there is a more convincing reason to demand such a move, the current redirection scheme is certainly more than adequate. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 11:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Ninoy Aquino redirects to Benigno Aquino, Jr. at present; this seems prudent and correct to me. In my opinion, having a user being able to locate the correct article when searching for such takes precedence over all other concerns. — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• ^Speak! 11:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

My "oppose" vote stands, despite my earlier rumination dated 22 August 2007. — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• ^Speak! 11:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support Ninoy Aquino is obviously the more common name. Why else would the Philippines airport be named Ninoy Aquino International Airport and the memorial holiday be called Ninoy Aquino Day? --Polaron | Talk 21:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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"S" for Servillano or Simeon

Servillano (like his grandfather) or Simeon (like his son)? The references currently used in the article point out that it is "Servillano", but one of the entries also contain an incorrect birth date (1965) for his son Noynoy (born 1960). Noynoy's "S" definitely stands for "Simeon." The maiden name of Ninoy's mother was "Aquino" also, but he did not use "A" as an initial. The second "Servillano" reference does not directly support the argument for it. I used Google Books to search for possible references. I also temporarily shortened the name to Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. in the article until this is resolved.

“ From August 7, 2010 Manila Bulletin - Just call him President Benigno S. Aquino III By JC BELLO RUIZ
President Aquino, in a dialogue with Malacañang reporters last Friday, said he prefers the former to adhere to the tradition of his grandfather and father whose given names are Benigno Simeon. ”

Mk32 (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It is Benigno Servillano, not Benigno Simeon. Benigno Simeon is the name of the current philippine president (and his son), Noynoy. It is shown in my set of World Book Encyclopedias. It causes confusion because they are often mentioned as 'Benigno S. Aquino, Jr.' and 'Benigno S. Aquino III'--Carsjme (talk) 11:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

References for "Servillano" (citations currently in article)

• • Family and relatives of Benigno Servillano Aquino Jr.
    • Sen. Benigno Servillano Jr AQUINO "Ninoy" was born 27 Nov 1932 in Concepcion Tarlac.
    • Rep. Benigno Simeon Cojuangco III AQUINO "Noynoy" was born 1965 - The Wikipedia article for Noynoy says he was born February 8, 1960.
  • "Error in 'At Last, A Movie on Ninoy'", October 12, 2006
    • His mother’s maiden name is Aurora Aquino, not Aurora Servillano as we reported. We’re sorry.
  • The good die young : Sen. Benigno Servillano Aquino, Jr. (1932-1983) (published 2000)

Sen. Ninoy Aquino was initiated to Upsilon Sigma Phi in my father's room at the YMCA. My father knew his name as "Benigno Servillano". My father was Alpha Phi Beta, but had Upsilon rommates. Fast-forward to when Mrs. Aquino was president, and she addressed a gathering of Fulbright Alumni (yours truly included); again, the mistaken name "Benigno Simeon" was announced, which Mrs. Aquino corrected to "Benigno Servillano". I dont know how Britannica can get it wrong.Vp bongolan (talk) 06:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

References for "Simeon"

• • Encyclopedia of the developing world, Volume 1 (published 2006) - Thomas M. Leonard
    • Benigno Simeon Aquino, Jr. (1932-1983), was born in Tarlac Province, Philippines...
  • Assassinations and executions: an encyclopedia of political violence, 1865-1986 (published 1988) - Harris M. Lentz
    • On August 21, 1983, Benigno Simeon Aquino, Jr., a leading opponent of President Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, was shot and killed...
  • Encyclopædia Britannica
    • Benigno Simeon Aquino, Jr., byname Ninoy
  • An encyclopedic dictionary of conflict and conflict resolution, 1945-1996 (published 1998) by John E. Jessup
    • Aquino, Benigno ("Ninoy") Simeon Jr. (b. 27 November 1932, Tarlac Province, Philippines...
  • MORE RESULTS FROM GOOGLE BOOKS for "SIMEON" (with search terms used)

Some things these sources have going for them: 1) They are published books (except the Britannica one), 2) They were published before his son Noynoy rose to prominence, so there will be no circular reference (in other words, a case where Ninoy's "S" is assumed to mean "Simeon" because that's what the now prominent Noynoy's "S" initial stands for). However there are also other published books that also support "Servillano"

References for "Servillano" not in the article

• • Philip's daughters: women in pentecostal-charismatic leadership (2009) by Estrelda Alexander, Amos Yong
    • was planning to take up law at the Far Eastern University when Benigno Servillano Aquino Jr. (1932-1983) came into her life.
  • MORE RESULTS FROM GOOGLE BOOKS for "SERVILLANO" (with search terms used)

(Note: Other times, the search gives results referring to his grandfather Servillano Aquino instead of Ninoy)

There needs to be more references for this. I noted that "Benigno Simeon Aquino" gives out 749 results compared to 98 for "Benigno Servillano Aquino", but this is not enough to say which is the correct one. Again, I temporarily put the name simply as Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. until this is resolved.

On a slightly related note

Documents published in 1938 and 1939 shows that Ninoy's father Benigno Sr also used the middle initial "S".

• • Masterpieces in Philippine oratory, and lessons in public speaking (1938) - Honorable BENIGNO S. AQUINO - Secretary of Agriculture and Commerce
  • The Philippine Journal of Agriculture (1939) - Hon. BENIGNO S. AQUINO - Secretary of Agriculture and Commerce

It does not say what the "S" stands for either. Mk32 (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC) EDIT I decided to go ahead and put the name as "Simeon" for now, since I could find more book references to it. Feel free to discuss or revert. Mk32 (talk) 04:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

• • August 21, 2010 Official Gazette website at http://www.gov.ph clearly states it is "Simeon" Mk32 (talk) 03:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

“ From August 7, 2010 Manila Bulletin - Just call him President Benigno S. Aquino III By JC BELLO RUIZ
President Aquino, in a dialogue with Malacañang reporters last Friday, said he prefers the former to adhere to the tradition of his grandfather and father whose given names are Benigno Simeon. ”

Mk32 (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It is Benigno Servillano, not Benigno Simeon. Benigno Simeon is the name of the current philippine president (and his son), Noynoy. It is shown in my set of World Book Encyclopedias. It causes confusion because they are often mentioned as 'Benigno S. Aquino, Jr.' and 'Benigno S. Aquino III'--Carsjme (talk) 11:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced POV edits

I have recently reverted two edits by Elchori01. I have clearly explained to Elchori01 on his talk page that his edits were unsourced, and removed well-sourced information. If Elchori01 claims there is any truth in what he writes then he must provide some reliable sources.

As I have no wish to engage in an edit war, intervention by others would be very welcome. Rubywine . talk 14:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I have now just restored well-sourced lede text and internal links to Ninoy Aquino International Airport and Ninoy Aquino Day removed by Elchorio01 in another destructive edit. I also removed some the unnecessary details inserted in their place. Rubywine . talk 15:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

As is apparent to all now, editing controversial topics is no easy task. Unlike Rubywine, I live in the Philippines and collaborate with the Wikipedia Philippines project, and am planning to attend the meeting in Manila in February to discuss this and other topics in a civilized manner. I am a Wikipedia newbie- I only started editing last June, and am quite distressed by the manner in which rubywine refuses to engage in dialogue and threatens editors unless they edit articles in a manner pleasing to her. If any of you can help her understand this thing, I would be most grateful, as she has already started an edit war and reverted my edits more than three times. Once again, feedback would be appreciated. Elchori01 (talk) 06:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The first step would be to clarify what the problem is. It is clear that there is a disagreement between two editors about content, but a quick look does not reveal what the fundamental problem is. What text is now in the article that you think should be changed? What should it be changed to? Why? Is anything missing from the article? What and why? Please be brief: just an outline at first; more details can be added if asked for. Material needs to be sourced (see WP:V and WP:RS), and needs to be due (see WP:NPOV). Johnuniq (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

John, unfortunately I have very little time available and not enough to explain the situation regarding this article. To see what's gone on here you need to trawl through the edits. But there was a related situation at Ferdinand Marcos -- please look at Talk:Ferdinand Marcos#Unsourced POV edits where I've copied one of the edits made by Elchori01 for others to see. He is engaged in rewriting ledes and adding totally unsourced POV material to articles about Philippine politicians. For example, well sourced statements about Marcos' 20 years of corruption and brutality are suddenly just allegations, the Marcos' well-established embezzlement of billions of dollars is rephrased so as to imply doubt about that, etc. Please look at that talk page because the edits show what I mean. Benigno Aquino was Marcos' key political opponent, assassinated by Marcos, and so here the situation is reversed. Doubt is cast on Marcos' role in the assassination. Links to key articles are removed. Aquino's significance and legacy is downplayed, and the Legacy section stuffed full of waffle. Obviously Wikipedia doesn't care at all what I think is highly POV apologism for a brutal dictator, but Wikipedia does demand reliable sources, and Elchori01 provides none, not even unreliable ones. See also Juan Miguel Zubiri who Elchiori01 declares is known to be guilty of electoral fraud when actually nothing has been proven and Zubiri denies the allegations. Elchiori01 goes around writing his own version of history. Tell him he needs a source and he'll retort "read a newspaper" or "speak to some Filipinos". (Have to rush, sorry.) Rubywine . talk 09:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, and I hear you. However, I had a very quick look at the recent history of this article, and did not notice the kind of editing outlined above. I'm not suggesting the edits aren't there, but a very quick look did not show them, and if an editor wants third parties to comment, some help is needed with precise information. I'm watching this article now and may be able to say something meaningful in the future. Johnuniq (talk) 09:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I understand. If the Marcos edit didn't strike you as problematic, I'll drop this for the moment. I can't ask for more than your offer to keep an eye on these two articles. Thank you for being so evenhanded. Rubywine . talk 14:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

John, this type of thing is exactly what I'm talking about: [1]. Rubywine . talk 11:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I restored the part about the airport; it was covered in the main article and seemed noteworthy enough to be in the lead, two requirements for being included there. I let the deletion of comments on his wife's subsequent activities stand for the converse reasons. Fat&Happy (talk) 16:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a disagreement concerning this edit by Elchori01 which removed the following text from the lead:

after which popular protests led to her presidency and the end of the 20 year Marcos regime. Manila International Airport has been renamed Ninoy Aquino International Airport in his honor.

Fat&Happy restored the airport text, so the overall difference is that this has been removed:

after which popular protests led to her presidency and the end of the 20 year Marcos regime.

F&H's explanation above is correct: when someone is assasinated at an airport (with its old name appropriately given in the lead), it is desirable to mention that the airport has been renamed in their honor. Further, that information is given in the article, and if I looked I would find a reliable source. By contrast, the text about popular protests and the Marcos regime (while obviously true, and verifiable) is not present in the article and so should be omitted per WP:LEAD.

I can see an argument that this article is somewhat inadequate if it fails to mention that Aquino's death lead to the end of the Marcos regime. Again, I would call that obviously true, but the connection is not a clear fact—it is more an opinion regarding a fairly long chain of events (and many other factors were necessary in order for the regime to fall at that time). If a suitable source were available, it is the sort of conclusion that should be attributed ("According to X, Aquino's death lead to the end of the Marcos regime"), and ultimately would be more suitable for an article written by a single author where the connection was clearly the conclusion of that author.

There is no requirement for an editor to explain their reasoning on this talk page, but changes made by such an editor are likely to be reverted unless the edits are clearly appropriate. An edit summary of "incorrect info removed" is not adequate: the text which is claimed to be incorrect needs to be specified here, with a justification. Johnuniq (talk) 00:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Lack of support for the now-deleted part of the lead may be partly due to relevant text having been moved into Assassination of Benigno Aquino, Jr. I've started talking to editors who worked on AoBAJ with a view to strengthening both articles, since AoBAj also suffers from sourcing problems, and one of them mentioned that some text had been moved, which in retrospect may have been unfortunate. It is important to indicate the historical impact of Aquino's assassination in this parent article, but as John says, a prequisite for this is to locate reliable sources. Rubywine . talk 19:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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1978 elections, bypass surgery, exile

The section entitled "1978 elections, bypass surgery, exile" is woefully incomplete. There is no mention at all of the 1978 elections or even how his death sentence was commuted. Even the part where he goes the U.S. doesn't sound like an exile. It reads as if he was only leaving the country for the medical procedure. —howcheng {chat} 05:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

death_cause in infobox "Gunshot" or "Assassination"?

I was STIKIing and I noticed this bold edit by User:Ellivro99. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I thought I'd just bring this up and if there are no objections the new version sticks. Cheers. --L235 (talk) Ping when replying 07:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Censorship of Ninoy's links with the CPP/NPA

user:WayKurat is censoring Ninoy Aquino's links with the CPP/NPA and his association with Hacienda Luisita even if the contributions conform with Wikipedia's policy on Verifiablity and Reliable Sources. Rather than focusing on the specific content in question, user is resorting to personal attacks branding these contributions as my personal POV. Thetruth16 (talk) 03:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Why are you considering my reverts as "personal attacks" to you? You have already been blocked twice for POV edits and you even have the guts to report me to AIV just because I removed your POV edits. Please note, you have already been reported TWICE in WP:ANI for inserting POV edits and other editors have already taken notice on how you have titled the neutrality of several articles involving Ferdinand Marcos and Ninoy Aquino to be "pro-Marcos". You are shielding your edits using the WP:RS policy, but at the same time, you are violating WP:NPOV. See 1, and 2 in case you have forgotten the reason why you have been blocked.

Pinging @Drmies:, @Object404: and admin @Bbb23: in this thread. -WayKurat (talk) 03:25, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@WayKurat: First you need to focus on content Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Focus_on_content rather than bringing up conduct, as you yourself have deleted a large swath of cited content without discussing first. Second, note that Wikiepdia does have a policy on handling opinions from reliable sources perceived as biased, see - Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Attributing_and_specifying_biased_statements. In the contributions you deleted, facts are stated as they are, and editorial opinions are attributed in the text. Thirdly, you need to be specific which sentences / lines violate specific Wikipedia policy on NPOV. Fourth, please check Wikipedia's policy before deleting content perceived as non-neutral and not make it as an excuse to delete. Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Lack_of_neutrality_as_an_excuse_to_delete. Finally, many contribution that are pro-Ninoy / Cory are actually not cited at all and are opinions and full of weasel words, such as this part As a result, the remainder of his personal and political life had a distinct spiritual sheen. He emerged as a contemporary counterpart of Jose Rizal, who was among the most vocal proponents of the use of non-violence to combat a repressive regime at the time, following the model of Gandhi and Martin Luther King., shall we focus on cleaning/rewriting these first? Thetruth16 (talk) 04:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm adding discussions about this Article's neutrality from the ANI page for discussion purposes:

WayKurat

• This user added a statement that the one that issued Benigno Aquino Jr. the fake "Marcial Bonifacio" passport is linked with the Moro National Liberation Front, and at the same time, reinforcing the sources that Marcos declared Martial Law because of communist insurgency and the Moro uprising. If you read the whole article, it made it look that Aquino is being linked with communists and Moro rebels.
• In the Benigno Aquino Jr. article, he reiterated that Aquino's father, Benigno Sr. was a Japanese collaborator during World War II. It also claimed that Aquino did support the Moro rebellion and "rubbed elbows" with the Communist Party of the Philippines in the 1970s. (see 4)

Thetruth16

• In the article Rashid Lucman, you can see that Rashid Lucman issued the passport named Marcial Bonifacio (for Ninoy) and the same person founded a Muslim separatist group. Rashid Lucman's son himself said that his father sent young Filipino Muslims to train in Malaysia and these guerillas formed part of the MNLF: http://www.philstar.com/letters-editor/604043/will-noynoy-aquino-be-hero-muslims-mindanao
• Benigno Aquino Sr., Ninoy's father, and José P. Laurel, VP candidate Laurel's father, were leaders of the KALIBAPI that supported Japan during WWII, as you can see in the KALIBAPI article. . And there was a picture of him being arrested by the Americans which you deleted /censored. Ninoy's links with the communist rebels are supported by multiple verifiable sources and definitely not my point of view: http://www.manilatimes.net/the-ninoy-aquino-i-knew/31974/ and http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/198820/news/specialreports/ninoy-networked-with-everyone-reds-included. Ninoy's links with the communist rebels are supported by multiple verifiable sources and definitely not my point of view: http://www.manilatimes.net/the-ninoy-aquino-i-knew/31974/ and http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/198820/news/specialreports/ninoy-networked-with-everyone-reds-included

Thetruth16 (talk) 18:32, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

References

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

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• Ninoy Aquino Monument and marker at the Pampanga Provincial Capitol.jpg

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Requested move 5 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿とうこう) 07:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

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Benigno Aquino Jr. → Ninoy Aquino – After 13 years of no consensus, it is to request again that this page be moved to Ninoy Aquino, as per WP:COMMONNAME. Details and/or arguments are as follows:

1. Ninoy Aquino remains to be the more recognizable name of the subject than Benigno Aquino Jr., used as the namesake of Ninoy Aquino International Airport, government-mandated Ninoy Aquino Day, Ninoy Aquino Parks and Wildlife Center, Ninoy Aquino Stadium, Ninoy Aquino Library and Learning Resources Center, and Ninoy Aquino Avenue.
2. To support Favonian's "oppose" comment of September 13, 2009 that the general naming conventions recommend "Name articles in accordance with what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize", this nominator states that as of this writing, a Google search indicated that Ninoy Aquino (about 6,420,000) is more common than Benigno Aquino Jr (about 2,370,000), Benigno Aquino (about 4,560,000), and Benigno Ninoy Aquino Jr (about 163,000 results).
3. For the sake of future arguments, the same request move cannot be applicable to Benigno Aquino III, nicknamed Noynoy, as he was more popular internationally as Benigno Aquino III and locally as PNoy (a wordplay of President Noy and Pinoy); and Corazon Aquino, where the popularity of Corazon Aquino and Cory Aquino has almost the same magnitude.
4. For the sake of future arguments: While local politician Jamby Madrigal used her initials MA (Senator MA Madrigal) as nickname, instead of Jamby, she is still referred commonly to as Jamby, thus used as Wikipedia title. None being his birth name, Joseph Estrada is used as title of the subject as he is more internationally and formally known as Joseph Estrada, than Erap. This is, although, he is undoubtedly more locally known as Erap.
5. Definitely, Ninoy Aquino is the same case of Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, where the nicknames are more common names than their real first names. ~PogingJuan 06:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. Chlod (say hi!) 06:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Just a few quick points: Google search terms have to be put in quotation marks for the number of results to be at all meaningful, and it can be helpful to look at how many results you actually get when you go to additional pages of search rather than looking at the headline number. For the search terms above, put in quotation marks, I get 151–103–157–93 when looking at the final pages. Google Books leads me to believe all are four are common, but the last version does not adhere to Wikipedia naming conventions. And the previous move request linked to at Talk:Benigno Aquino III was by an editor who was blocked indefinitely only a month later for "nonsense page moves", so there may not be too much useful information in that section. It seems like you actually intended to refer to #Requested move on this page. Dekimasuよ! 07:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

  @Dekimasu: Thank you for your inputs! First, you were correct that I actually intended to refer to #Requested move on this page. Secondly, I have put in quotation marks on the following Google search terms: "Ninoy Aquino" (about 4,510,000), "Benigno Aquino Jr." (about 162,000), "Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr." (about 34,800), and "Benigno Aquino" (about 1,260,000). Definitely, Ninoy Aquino is a more common name to the subject than Benigno Aquino Jr. I actually just added names "Benigno Aquino" and "Benigno Ninoy Aquino Jr." for the sake of argument, but you cannot use both the former, since Sr. and III were also "Benigno Aquino"; and the latter, since as you have said, it does not adhere to Wikipedia naming conventions. But for a food of thought, the reason Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr. is being used in several news articles and books, instead of just Benigno Aquino Jr. is because of the fact that Benigno Aquino Jr. is more commonly and popularly known as Ninoy Aquino. Thus, the reiteration to move the subject's title "Benigno Aquino Jr." to a more common name "Ninoy Aquino". ~PogingJuan 12:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the arguments, especially that which point out that his common name is much more recognizable. Ganmatthew (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. The commonly-referenced name Ninoy Aquino is indeed the WP:COMMONNAME. A recent nomination to move the main title header of the entry for commonly-referenced Bongbong Marcos to the "official" Ferdinand Marcos Jr. was tellingly unsuccessful at Talk:Bongbong Marcos#Requested move 19 May 2022. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support as long as Corazon Aquino gets moved to Cory Aquino and Benigno Aquino III to Noynoy Aquino. Shwcz (talk) 23:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Chlod (say hi!) 02:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 12:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support. This has been low-key bugging me for the past decade. The arguments presented by the nominator are much better than what I could have written. —seav (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

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