Talk:Twipra Kingdom

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Map?

A reference map would sure be nice... Kevink707 (talk) 19:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Legendary Origin

"The early history of Tripura is shrouded in myths and legends. According to the legends, the state of Tripura was founded by Druhyu, a son of emperor Yayati, who belonged to the Lunar dynasty. His capital was at Pratisthanpur. He is stated to be the first historical and by far the most important ruler of the dynasty. One of his descendants, Daitya, is said to have come to ‘Kirata Desha’ and established his kingdom in ‘Tribeg’, which is now in the present Nowgong district of Assam. Tripura,the son and heir of Daitya, was succeeded by his son Trilochan. He married the daughter of the neighbouring Raja of Heramba of Kamrup. Trilochan’s eldest son inherited his kingdom." Can i add this ? KPAhmed (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Di-wu-la

The Ming Shilu mentions Di-wu-la, which Wade suggests is Tripura. He notes:[1]

The MSL (Tai-zong shi-lu 269.3a-b), records that the territory of this polity was, in the early 15th century, occupied by Da Gu-la which suggests an area near Assam. There seems little doubt that it refers to Tripura, which lies south of the Brahmaputra and north of Bengal. See the map in Baruah (1985; facing p. 171). Chen, Xie and Lu (1986; 537) record Toungoo as a suggested identification. The evidence does not support this.

So Wade bases his speculation on the assumption that Da Gu-la is Assam (see discussion and resolution Talk:Ahom_kingdom#Extended_discussion where the consensus is that this is not tenable in Wikipedia). Similarly, this claim that Di-wu-la is Tripura is also not tenable in Wikipedia.

Homogenie has twice inserted this reference.

@Kautilya3 and Fylindfotberserk: need your comments here.

Chaipau (talk) 14:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Dagula being in Assam is correct given Wade argument, as rulers of Pegu never used Narayan, suprisingly Chaipau doensot like better arguments! Homogenie (talk) 14:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Homogenie, we can't possibly decide what is "correct", and it is not our job to do so. We can only imprement WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT, which means we go by the preponderance of the view in RS.

I agree with Chipau that "Diwula" is going along with "Dagula" and so, cannot be included for the same reasons. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Can i ask why a highly rated phd by Wade which is accepted by wide range of scholars not considered accurate?? The arguments of Wade of Dagula being in Assam or Upper Bumra is much more alignment with evidence in Ming Shilu Homogenie (talk) 16:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Where is the evidence that he is highly rated? And, highly rated for what? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

It is review of his work and higly rated for the translation of the Ming Shilu! Wade has provided ample evidence to prove Dagula was in today eastern Assam! Scholars who have made better arguments should deserve place in Wikipedia. Do go through his Phd thesis Homogenie (talk) 17:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

His translation of the Ming Shilu is excellent. It will be used by other authors, as a primary source. But his footnotes speculating other places are not. His identification of Da Gu-la, for instance, makes no sense at all; and it has no endorsement from other authors. Chaipau (talk) 17:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wade makes excellent argument of Da-gula being located in eastern Assam, any thinking mind will agree with Wade, there has been extensive discussion about this, suprisingly Chaipau has no counter argument why Pegu is Dagula. Furthermore other authors too have "speculated" Dagula being Pegu, not proven it, Wade views are accurate than other authors. We can take a detailed point by point comparison to come to a conclusion whether Dagula is Pegu or a polity in eastern Assam/Upper Burma. Homogenie (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wade's claim (Da Gu-la = Ahom/Assam) has been settled for Wikipedia (Talk:Ahom_kingdom#Extended_discussion for the records). Chaipau (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: I dont see how it is settled, please compare Wade argument with other known scholars , Wade is correct, it seems despite me giving enough reason to prove to Wade's Dagula to be in Assam, you couldnot provide any counter argument to prove it to be Pegu Homogenie (talk) 02:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Homogenie: The issue, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, is settled in Talk:Ahom_kingdom#Extended_discussion. There is no consensus on your claim. Look at Kautilya3's comments here as well [2] Chaipau (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: please provide evidence that Wade is wrong, all of the points in Wade (1994) is accurate to prove Dagula in eastern Assam or Upper Burma Homogenie (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Please look at WP:IDHT. Chaipau (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau: Please go through WP:AGE MATTERS Homogenie (talk) 04:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)