Talk:Windy Zhan

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 10:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Zhan in 2024

• ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong Cantopop girl group After Class who has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?

• Source: "詹天文てんもん成功せいこう考こう入いれ美國びくに伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん 繼つぎ姚焯菲後到いた海外かいがい升ます學がく". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員せいいん...詹天文てんもん(Windy)...，她在5歲さい時じ已やめ隨ずい女おんな高音こうおん歌唱かしょう家か王おう珊及戚芷君くん學習がくしゅう正統せいとう聲樂せいがく"

• "與あずか顧嘉煇王力りょく宏ひろし做校友こうゆう 詹天文てんもん獲え伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん取と錄ろく". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲さい開始かいし隨ずい女おんな高音こうおん歌唱かしょう家か王おう珊及戚芷君くん學習がくしゅう聲樂せいがく"

• "聲ごえ夢ゆめ小花おばな｜詹天文てんもん獲え伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん取と錄ろく　Windy音樂おんがく造詣ぞうけい高だか5歲さい學がく聲樂せいがく【多た圖ず】". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 18 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "Windy在ざい5歲さい起おこり跟隨專業せんぎょう女おんな高音こうおん歌唱かしょう家か王おう珊、戚芷君くん學習がくしゅう正統せいとう聲樂せいがく"

• "《聲ごえ夢ゆめ》詹天文てんもん獲え伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん取と錄ろく成なり顧嘉煇王力りょく宏ひろし師し妹いもうと 5歲さい跟名師し學がく聲樂せいがく屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱かしょう節目ふしめ《聲こえ夢ゆめ傳奇でんき》首くび季き參さん賽さい者しゃ詹天文てんもん（Windy）雖然沒ぼつ有ゆう得え到いた三甲さんこう名次なつぎ，但ただし憑出色しょく歌うた藝げい被ひ選せん中ちゅう加入かにゅう女子じょし組合くみあいAfter Class...，5歲さい已やめ跟專業ぎょう女おんな高音こうおん歌唱かしょう家か王おう珊及戚芷君くん學習がくしゅう正統せいとう聲樂せいがく"

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Created by Will629 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Will629 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC).

• Hello, Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
    • MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
      • I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much again!--Will629 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
          • @Will629 and MaranoFan: is this unusual or interesting enough? Out of interest, I just looked at a number of other famous singers—all had started before the age of seven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
            • +1 from me, I'd say. We get a lot of these types of hooks, ironically enough, and they usually don't perform too well. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
              • @Will629: A new hook is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                • ALT2: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was highly praised by Taiwanese netizens for her performance in singing the Queen of the Night aria in June 2023?
                • @AirshipJungleman29: Is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                  • The website it is sourced to looks extremely tabloidy. See WP:NOTGOSSIP. The hook needs to be cited to a reliable source, and orientalsunday.hk doesn't look like one. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                    • @AirshipJungleman29: I have added few more sources, is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                      • And the corresponding lines are (although in Chinese):
• "詹天文てんもん成功せいこう考こう入いれ美國びくに伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん 繼つぎ姚焯菲後到いた海外かいがい升ます學がく". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年きょねん，她在學校がっこう舉辦的てき社しゃ際さい音樂おんがく比ひ賽さい演えんじ唱了一いち段だん莫札特とく《魔ま笛ふえ》中ちゅう「夜よる后きさき」其中一いち段だん，影かげ片へん在ざい台灣たいわんhit爆ばく，更さら被ひ形容けいよう為ため「聲樂せいがく界かい的てき明日あした之の星ほし」"

• "與あずか顧嘉煇王力りょく宏ひろし做校友こうゆう 詹天文てんもん獲え伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん取と錄ろく". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年きょねん參加さんか學校がっこう舉辦的てき音樂おんがく比ひ賽さい，演えんじ唱了莫札特とく《魔ま笛ふえ》中ちゅう「夜よる后きさき」其中一いち段だん，片かた段だん在ざい台灣たいわん爆ばく紅べに，被ひ譽ほまれ為ため「聲樂せいがく界かい的てき明日あした之の星ほし」。"

• "聲ごえ夢ゆめ小花おばな｜詹天文てんもん獲え伯はく克利かつとし音樂おんがく學院がくいん取と錄ろく　Windy音樂おんがく造詣ぞうけい高だか5歲さい學がく聲樂せいがく【多た圖ず】". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 18 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "就讀國際こくさい基督教きりすときょう優ゆう質しつ音樂おんがく中學ちゅうがく的てきWindy，她在學校がっこう社しゃ際さい音樂おんがく比ひ賽さい中ちゅう演えんじ唱莫札さつ特とく《魔ま笛ふえ》中ちゅう的てき「夜よる后きさき」，盡つき展てん實力じつりょく，影かげ片へん更さら在ざい台灣たいわん爆ばく紅べに"--Will629 (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been addressed? If not what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • No, not really; the above churnalism all saying variations of "random people liked the performance on Twitter" aren't a good source to build a hook off. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
    • ALT: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was enrolled in the Xinghai Conservatory of Music in Guangzhou, China in 2024?
      • @AirshipJungleman29: For your last comment, I don't think they are churnalism as they do report the news, and it is not Twitter but Facebook. But anyway, I hope this new hook is okay and again, these are the local news sources that I could find. Actually they already constitute most of the mainstream news sources that are referring to the news itself. If it still doesn't meet the requirements, I would really like to hear your suggestions. Thank you.--Will629 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
        • Personally I don't think the new hook meets WP:DYKINT as the significance of being enrolled in that particular conservatory isn't clear to the average reader. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
          • What about this? The sources are throughout and this is so far the best I can do.
            • ALT:... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class is known for her high-pitched vocals and operatic singing skills? --Will629 (talk) 00:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Do the above ALTs satisfy your concerns? @MaranoFan: As the original reviewer, can you confirm if these are approved? Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT5: ... that After Class member Windy Zhan won several awards at the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival during her childhood?

This looks to me like the best that can be done based on the current version of the article. Unfortunately, its DYK potential seems to be limited, but I believe we've run way worse. All the hooks are okay to me, although not the best.--NØ 20:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@MaranoFan:Thank you. I understand that too and I could just hope for the best now. Thank you again.--Will629 (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• This is now the oldest unapproved nomination: two months have passed since the nomination date, yet the issues remain unaddressed. As such, this is now marked for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)