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Looking for ANI of LTA

There was an LTA editing as a few IPs out of Australia. Do you happen to have the original ANI filing that got that LTA site-banned? I'm trying to chase down if a NSW IP lines up with this LTA. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti: The infamous "Australian railroad IP" was banned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1143#Australian railroad IP. Because the search tool sucks, I had to go back into my contributions in the Wikipedia namespace, find the date of the thread, and then try to find the archive from that date to dig up the thread. It will remain here on my talk page (and ultimately in my talk archives) if you ever need it again. Let me know if you're having further issues with this editor. I was hoping they'd give up the ghost by now but seems not. In my experience, 100% of the time they geolocated to either Sydney or Melbourne or their immediate suburbs. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, the EMD engine LTA that I see you've been hunting is back at it again today [1]. I'm confident they're unrelated to the Australian IP, very different MO. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah! Thank you finding that ANI; I similarly struggled using the search tool. I'll file it somewhere for my own use if they pop up again. Thanks for your opinion on that IP LTA, by the way, and I'll try to keep tabs on them, too. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti, also check out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LB&SCR E2/Archive for some IPs which have been the Australian railroad IP. TarnishedPath^talk 02:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath: That's exactly what I needed! Thank you. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti, also in the first ANI discussion that @Trainsandotherthings linked to above there's a collapsed list of IPs and also a collapsed list of article created by the IP (I collated a bit of it along with others). I'm very willing to help with this editor. @Daniel has been an admin who has kept on top of them quite a bit, but there have been others who might be able to help out with providing information. TarnishedPath^talk 15:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Reading and Northern Class II Status

Regarding the recent addition of RBMN to the List of U.S. Class II railroads, the AAR defines the lower bounds of Class II as $40M in revenue or 350 miles of trackage (this is defined within that Wikipedia page as well). The source I attached says that the RBMN runs over 400 miles of trackage (confusingly, so does the AAR in their own document for Pennsylvania). I am not sure where to look up revenues of railroads, but being that the RBMN does indeed cover more than 350 miles would they not qualify as Class II? 192.234.195.153 (talk) 17:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) there isn't a great source on whether a railroad is or isn't a Class II. The AAR factsheets are the best we have at the moment, and they say that the Reading and Northern is a Class III. We can't really argue otherwise without engaging in original research, and in this case we'd be flatly contradicting a reliable source. Mackensen (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I consulted with the most recent Pennsylvania state rail plan (2020), and it also lists the Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern as a Class III [2]. The railroad's own magazine does refer to itself as a Class II: [3]. They appear to be right on the line between Class II and Class III. I can't find any other sources supporting Class II status, so I generally agree with Mackensen above. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65

This is a new article created by our friend who we suspect to be the Australian railroad IP. I imagine you probably have some of the books listed in the references. Would you be able to tell me if any of them have WP:SIGCOV for the locomotive. Kind Regards, TarnishedPath^talk 02:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TarnishedPath: That's not a bad guess, I've got a decent number of Brian Solomon's books, but unfortunately I do not have the one cited in the article. I was able to view the pages on Google books, as I'm quite confident this editor doesn't have the books and just goes off of whatever they can find from Google. The coverage in the book amounts to 1 sentence on one page, and two sentences on another page (one of which is about H.K. Porter, Inc. in general rather than the specific locomotive, so really two sentences). In other words, not significant coverage. The other sources either say nothing at all about the locomotive or very little. The Reading Eagle source is one sentence, Railfan's Guide to Museums doesn't seem to mention the locomotive at all, and neither does Railroad History. I'd either pursue AfD or redirect to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad.

From reading the article, there are tells in the writing style that match the IP's editing style. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll go with a redirect. TarnishedPath^talk 14:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Adoption of a DYK nomnation

Do you have time to adopt Template:Did you know nominations/Cannonball (MILW train), and make improvements? I'd happily do the review and give you credit for the DYK. Flibirigit (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I see someone has taken care of this before I was able to respond. I honestly don't think it's a great DYK candidate but hopefully you are able to make it work. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 November newsletter

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DYK for Cannonball (Milwaukee Road train)

On 14 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cannonball (Milwaukee Road train), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that despite being an ordinary commuter train, the Cannonball (pictured) was known for its Friday-night parties? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cannonball (MILW train). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cannonball (Milwaukee Road train)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 28,204 views (1,175.2 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2024 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Good job coming up with that hook, Trainsandotherthings! Viriditas (talk) 08:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: I was wondering why I got credit for this and then your comment reminded me. Thank you! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome! Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

A couple of things

Here are a couple of things I thought I’d let you know of. Firstly, I created a draft for Everett Railroad 11, as you somewhat recently requested. I’m busy trying to improve other pages at the moment, but once I’m done, I’ll try to find sources for Everett 11 via Newspapers.com and Trains magazine’s archive.

Secondly, the “other pages” I’m referring to are those of the Delaware Otsego Corporation and it’s shortline subsidiaries. I’m almost done with at least improving the grammar of those pages, but I couldn’t help but feel like some of them were mostly copy and pasted from their sources, particularly the Fonda, Johnstown and Gloversville Railroad page and the Rahway Valley Railroad page. Wouldn’t that be a Wikipedia violation? Someone who likes train writing (talk) 04:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Someone who likes train writing: Glad to see you were able to start a draft on Everett Railroad 11, I'll drop by to contribute this weekend. You're certainly right that copying and pasting from sources is a copyright violation. I'll take a look today and let you know what I find. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Commented on Talk:Rahway Valley Railroad that I unfortunately was able to confirm close paraphrasing. It was likely much worse before you made changes. The sources for Fonda, Johnstown and Gloversville Railroad are almost entirely offline so I can't really check if there are problems. When in doubt, rewrite suspicious text in your own words. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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