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Basque inflections

The template {{inflection of}} is intended for general use, and the templates you've created really just do what it already does. Moreover, acceleration is designed to use this template by default, so a lot of the time you don't even need to specify any new rules. For example, if you use accel-form=absv_s then that will automatically result in {{inflection of|eu|foo||absv|s}}. It is true that the template doesn't have inflection tags for every Basque form yet, but as you already noticed, those can be added quite easily. —Rua (mew) 18:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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eskerriska

Is this actually Basque? I can't trust the source, which was myself 15 years ago before I'd even lived in Bilbao Indian subcontinent (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@Indian subcontinent It's certainly not part of the standard language, and it doesn't seem to be a dialectal word either: Euskaltzaindia's Orotariko Euskal Hiztegia (which includes dialectal, obscure and archaic terms) shows no results. Googling the word returns Wiktionary mirrors and "Top 10 Basque words you must know"-style blog posts, but no real usage examples by Basque speakers. I'm pretty sure that this is a ghost word.--Santi2222 (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I sent it to be deleted Indian subcontinent (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

How does one say cheers in Basque, anyway? Indian subcontinent (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

topa, prost and txin-txin are probably the most common words for "cheers".--Santi2222 (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

neskatila

Agur! Can you help with neskatila? An etymology and more precise definition would be useful Notusbutthem (talk) 12:57, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

And trikipoteo - it's mentioned a lot, as a kind of concert, but I can't get a more precise meaning Notusbutthem (talk) 13:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Notusbutthem I've added some details on both entries. --Santi2222 (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I'm surprised I never added poteo before, as I used to live in Bilbo Notusbutthem (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits

Hey! Thank you for your edits on the Basque pages I edited! I don’t have much experience editing Wiktionary but I do have experience using Wiktionary to learn languages and I would like to contribute to the Basque language by expanding the Wiktionary. I apologize for any editing or formatting mistakes or grammar inconsistencies, though I hope my research is sufficient for any edits I contribute, but I appreciate your fair judgment on my edits. Hopefully I can learn more about the references or further reading sections so you won’t have to format so much. :) Eskerrik asko! Smmart6800 (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! In general the entries were mostly correct. There were some wrong etymologies (words consisting of a word + suffix instead of being a compound) and some definitions were a bit off, but nothing too bad. With regards to formatting, you should follow WT:EL in general (for example, here you forgot to add the separator between language sections). There's also the page WT:AEU with some information specific to Basque, but it's not very comprehensive so checking well-formatted entries in Basque is probably a good idea too. And in case of doubt about something (etymology, definitions or whatever), you can add the template {{attention}} and the entry will be put in a relevant category. Regards, --Santi2222 (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the information! I will put it to good use. Take care. Smmart6800 (talk) 23:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on Mozarabic

Those entries were/are in serious need of fixing. Nicodene (talk) 11:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

@Nicodene I think all words that could be attested have been fixed by now. For the words I couldn't find anywhere, I've created this RFV discussion, in case you want to voice your opinion there.Santi2222 (talk) 12:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

sokamuturra

Hi again! Can you please add the etymology to the page sokamuturra? Flackofnubs (talk) 15:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Done Santi2222 (talk) 21:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Great! I suspected it was connected to soga. Have you ever seen one of these events? Flackofnubs (talk) 07:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

biribilketa

How about biribilketa? It's a beautiful musical term. Could you provide an etymology? GreyishWorm (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Done too--Santi2222 (talk) 17:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Module:fax-verb

Hi! First of all, thanks for your great work on Fala; I hope this serves so more people get to know it. For the last couple of days, I've been adding new entries, as you are well aware—thanks for checking and completing my additions too! I'm not that used to creating them. I also created Module:User:Swaare/fax-verb and its submodule /data ({{Template:User:Swaare/fax-conj}}) based off your module in an attempt to also include irregular verbs. I tested it several times, and it seems to be working fine, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. Cheers, sware • 🗣 • 🏲 11:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Swaare Thank you too for your work on Fala! I'm no expert on Lua but your module seems to work well (it looks way nicer than mine too), so I'm copying it to the mainspace. I've added the missing spelling alternations for verbs ending in -al (-zal -> ceis and -gual -> güeis), but the ones for verbs ending in -el and -il are still missing. I've also added a few lines of code that will put verbs with alternations in categories like Category:Fala verbs with c-qu alternation (just as Spanish verbs). Santi2222 (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

@Santi2222: Cool! If there's anything I can help with, I'll be glad to give a hand. I'll keep on adding new entries slowly but surely. Cheers, sware • 🗣 • 🏲 19:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Rhyme cats

Just FYI, User:WingerBot regularly fills in missing rhyme categories with autocat, so there's no need to manually create those pages. Ultimateria (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I had assumed that rhyme categories for languages such as Finnish or Polish were bot-created but I wasn't sure about other languages.Santi2222 (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

queeejam

Thank you for cleaning up the entry i made for queeejam. I saw it on a list of interesting words once. The plant dictionary I posted only talks about fruits, but I think I may have been looking at this dictionary, by the same authors, which implies a wider scope to the definition. If this is an older version of the dictionary or for some reason known to be less reliable, I wont mind trimming the definition down to just the fruit-related senses. Thanks, —Soap— 11:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Soap Hi, according to the second edition of the dictionary, the definition of queeejam is "madurarse [f]uera de su tiempo normal" or "[to] ripen out of its usual time" (basically the same as the one given by the fruit dictionary). Santi2222 (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

thanks for getting back to me. so the link i posted, where the definition isnt limited to fruit, is an older edition of the dictionary? I can believe that, and since the wordlist i saw was from about the same year, I'll go ahead and remove the third line now. Oh well. Still an interesting word based on its spelling. I guess I do have one more thing ... do we have a way to show the conjugation? It seems that this language uses word-initial consonant changes to mark inflections on at least this class of verbs. Thanks, —Soap— 13:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Soap Yes, your link shows the first edition of the dictionary (2005). Regarding the conjugations, we don't have any templates that can generate them. We do have a headword template that can show the plural/imperfective forms of a verb, but each of these has its own conjugation. However, the dictionary has a grammar appendix listing the various conjugation patterns, so I guess it would be possible to create an automated template (in fact, it's something I've been looking forward to for a while). Santi2222 (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

el-IPA

Hello. Is your Module:User:Santi2222/el-IPA ready enough to publish? I want to use this in Thai wikt too. Octahedron80 (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Octahedron80. I haven't edited that module in almost three years, so I don't really know how ready it is. Feel free to use it as a basis for a Greek pronunciation template if you want, but bear in mind that my knowledge of Greek phonology is limited so I'm sure that there are mistakes in the generated pronunciations. Santi2222 (talk) 16:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

gl-IPA

¡Hola Santi2222! Vi que creaste un módulo de pronunciación para Asturiano y pensé que también podrías ayudarnos a @Rodrigo5260 y a mí con un módulo similar para Gallego, si no fuera una molestia :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Stríðsdrengur Hola! Te respondo en inglés por si alguien más lee esta conversación, espero que no sea problema. Sure, I'll be glad to help. My knowledge of Lua is limited, but probably enough to adapt an existing module (such as the Spanish one). Since this would be a new template, it would be nice to have automatic rhyme generation and syllabification from the beginning. Also, we will have to make some decisions, such as whether to generate dialectal pronunciations automatically (I'm thinking about seseo and gheada). I've been reading a bit about the phonology of Galician (and its correspondence with spelling) and I'm afraid that most words will require some form of manual respelling (in order to distinguish between /ɛɔ/ and /eo/), but otherwise it should be doable. Santi2222 (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Rodrigo5260 and I have already debated about seseo and gheada, I'm waiting for his response here. Regarding rewriting some words, I believe it is not a big problem since the Portuguese module also has this limitation and some words need some parameters. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 11:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I've started adapting the Spanish pronunciation module in my sandbox. Personally, I lean towards generating standard pronunciations only (dialectal pronunciations with gheada/seseo might differ in other additional aspects) but I've never edited Galician so this isn't a strong opinion at all. Santi2222 (talk) 11:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Froaringus I think we'll need you here Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Template:pga-IPA

If you don't mind, I am going to change this so it doesn't auto-add a bullet before it. The reason that {{es-IPA}} does this is that there are multiple dialects generated inside of a box, but {{pga-IPA}} doesn't do that, so it's easier to use if it doesn't autogenerate the bullet. In general I am trying to clean up and unify the various pronunciation templates and most of them don't auto-add a bullet unless they generate a box or are of the {{es-pr}} variety. Benwing2 (talk) 05:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@Benwing2 No problem on my part. Santi2222 (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Your help again

Hello Santi! Long time no see! How are you? I hope you are well; well I would like to ask for your contribution again with pronunciation modules, this time it is not as complex as the last time, only if you want to :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Stríðsdrengur Hi! Sure, I'll be glad to help if I can, what is it about? Santi2222 (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

A pronunciation module for Hunsrik, the phonology is very simple, similar to German, I've even created an appendix explaining all the details Appendix:Hunsrik pronunciation, and in case of further questions, I have contact with a native Hunsrik linguist Stríðsdrengur (talk) 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

That's a language I'm not familiar with so I'll have to do some reading first, but it seems doable. If I'm not mistaken the orthography on WT entries is the one used by Boll in his dictionary, right? Btw I'm on the Discord server so you can ping me there (it might take me some time to see it though). Santi2222 (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Trooper57 and I are willing to use Piter Keo's spelling as standard; oh didn't know you are on the server haha Stríðsdrengur (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'm (mostly) on my own editing Basque so I don't usually have anything to say there. Regarding Hunsrik, do we want to include rhymes/syllabification? Santi2222 (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be nice, but only if you can do it :) Stríðsdrengur (talk) 00:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll be forking an existing module so that should be the easy part. Santi2222 (talk) 00:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks for your help again! Stríðsdrengur (talk) 00:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

rue-pron

I saw that you are creating a pronunciation module for Carpathian Rusyn, I am very glad that you are interested in the language :) Наименее Полезное (talk) 12:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm surprised that you found the module already! I have never made substantial edits to Carpathian Rusyn, but I had some materials downloaded just in case; and now that the Hunsrik module is (mostly) finished I've started with Carpathian Rusyn. Santi2222 (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Very good! Наименее Полезное (talk) 13:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:be-IPA

Hello Santi! I saw that you contribute a bit to Slavic language modules and I would like to ask for your help if you can: I would like to know if you can add automatic rhymes and hyphenation (or syllabification) to the module Наименее Полезное (talk) 18:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I guess it should be doable, but rn I'm more focused on the Carpathian Rusyn declension templates. I'm forking them from the existing Ukrainian templates so there aren't many difficulties on the technical side, but resources are a bit lacking (especially regarding stress), so it will still take me some time. Santi2222 (talk) 14:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Your help once again 😭

Hello Santi! How are you? I hope you are well! Anyway, I come once again to bother you patiently to ask for your help with modules.

@Vininn126 a while ago created Module:hsb-IPA but the module is still incomplete as it lacks rhymes and automatic syllabification, and I would like to ask for your help if you can do something about it; If you can add at least automatic rhymes like in the Galician module, that will be a huge help, thanks for your attention. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 04:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look into it (not immediately though). Also, it seems like there isn't a Lower Sorbian pronunciation module, if the phonology and orthography of the two Sorbian varieties are similar it could be interesting to handle them with a single module (just as Module:zlw-lch-IPA handles Polish, Kashubian and Silesian). Santi2222 (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I cannot say for sure about Lower Sorbian, @Mahagaja has a better command of that subject. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea how to write modules, but I do think it should be possible in principle to have a single module for both languages, presumably called Module:wen-IPA. —Mahāgaja · talk 05:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm taking a look at "Sorbian (Upper and Lower)" by Gerald Stone and it seems like it's definitely possible to handle Upper and Lower with the same module. For example, with respect to vowels the only difference seems to be the spelling of o~ʊ. Related to this, how many phonemic vowels are there in Sorbian? According to Stone both varieties have seven vowels aɛɪiɔʊu, but Wikipedia adds ɨ to the list (the existing Upper Sorbian module transcribes <y> as ɨ too). Also, I've seen the close-mid vowels variously transcribed as ɪʊ, eo and iɪ uʊ, what's the most common practice? Santi2222 (talk) 11:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

In our current phonemic transcription we use this pattern:

a /a/

e /ɛ/

ě /ɪ/

i /i/

o /ɔ

ó /ʊ/

u /u/

y /ɨ/

These transcriptions like uʊ eo ɪʊ are generally not phonemic, so I think it's very likely that we'll discard them. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

According to Stone the diphthongization of close-mid vowels happens in slow speech, so I agree that they should be plainly transcribed as ɪʊ. Regarding ɨ, according to him i and y represent the same phoneme /i/ (he doesn't even mention allophonic variation). Santi2222 (talk) 12:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Not mentioning /ɨ/ is quite odd in my opinion. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Our big problem will be stress, all the material we find that says words of up to 3 syllables has the stress on the initial syllable, but what about words with 4 or more? I've been contacting some native speakers I can find online on Discord, and they usually pronounce words with more than 3 syllables with double stress, with the first being on the first syllable and the second in the penultimate. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Note that ⟨ó⟩ is in fact almost never pronounced /ʊ/ in Lower Sorbian; you only hear it in the regions directly adjoining Upper Sorbian, and not even always there. The usual pronunciations are /ɛ/ and /ɨ/. —Mahāgaja · talk 12:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I was about to mention that. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean /e/ and /ɨ/ should be used for ⟨ě⟩ and ⟨ó⟩ in Lower Sorbian, but /ɪ/ and /ʊ/ in Upper? In any case, from a technical point of view using one symbol or another isn't an issue. Santi2222 (talk) 12:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Btw, are we going to use /ʲ/? I don't know if it's really a thing. Stríðsdrengur (talk) 12:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sławobóg Stríðsdrengur (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Lower Sorbian pronunciation is explained at dolnoserbski.de. Sławobóg (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

At the moment the template uses the symbol ʲ in pʲbʲmʲwʲnʲʁʲ (plus t͡sʲ in Upper Sorbian. Santi2222 (talk) 14:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

No, both /ɛ/ and /ɨ/ should be used for ⟨ó⟩; they're in free variation. ⟨ě⟩ remains /ɪ/ as in hsb. And /ʲ/ is absolutely a thing; it's the standard way of marking palatalized consonants in IPA. —Mahāgaja · talk 14:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I understand now. Should both variants (/ɛ/ and /ɨ/) always be displayed automatically? Santi2222 (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Ideally the module should generate what we already have at móst: /ɨ/, /ɛ/, and /ʊ/ with the last marked (dated). —Mahāgaja · talk 15:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

It should be doable, I'll get into it when the module is more polished. Santi2222 (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey mahagaja, we still need to know about stress, do you have any material about stress in Lower Sorbian? Stríðsdrengur (talk) 15:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

All I know is it's on the first syllable of the word in native words. Loanwords often follow the stress of the donor language. I don't know anything about secondary stress in words of 4+ syllables. —Mahāgaja · talk 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)