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== Requested move 21 July 2022 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''no consensus.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Vpab15|Vpab15]] ([[User talk:Vpab15|talk]]) 12:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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[[:Python brongersmai]] → {{no redirect|Blood python}} – This species has a well accepted and unambiguous common name, so I suggest that this article should use that title. The target name has apparently always led to this topic and in fact was the name of the article about this snake before 2007. There was a page move of 2007 when someone moved it away from that name with an edit summary saying "Scientific names should be used for page names on biological organisms whenever possible to avoid confusion." That is not Wikipedia's current naming convention, which prefers common names. I've had a little trouble tracing the page history{{snd}} ''I wonder if there was a [[WP:CUTPASTE]] move''. Some of the edit history is now at {{-r|Python curtus brongersmai}}, where the 2007 article was moved and then later converted to a redirect in 2014. This species was previously considered a subspecies of ''[[Python curtus]]'', but was elevated to species status. In fact the binomial name situation is a bit confusing, since older sources would call this snake ''P. curtus'' instead of ''P. brongersmai''. [[The Reptile Database]] does not show "blood python" as a common name for ''[http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Python&species=curtus P. curtus]''; it only shows that name for ''[http://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Python&species=brongersmai&search_param=%28%28search%3D%27Python+brongersmai%27%29%29 P. brongersmai]''. An NGram chart is [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Python+brongersmai%2Cblood+python&year_start=1980&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true here]. The suggested term is also more popular than "Python brongersmai" in Google Scholar and vastly more popular in a Google Advanced Search for exact phrases. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 04:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)<small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;—usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 13:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)</small> <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 15:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)</small>

:*The article about the related [[Borneo python]] also uses its vernacular name as the title, and "Blood python" is not a common name used for the Borneo python, according to [[The Reptile Database]]. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 18:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per COMMONNAME.--[[User:Ortizesp|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp|talk]]) 01:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The name used by IUCN RL assessors is {{tq|'''Brongersma's short-tailed python'''}}. I support this name as page title, but NOT the proposed ''blood'' python. – [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 05:49, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
*:"Brongersma's short-tailed python" is hardly ever used. Google Scholar found only 3 instances of that string! (And 2 duplicates.) IUCN doesn't seem to provide a list of common names. [[The Reptile Database]] and [[ITIS]] do not even mention that name in their lists. All of the common names listed by The Reptile Database and ITIS for this species include "blood python", Google Advanced Search and Google Scholar find "Blood python" at least 10 times more prevalent than "Brongersma's short-tailed python". —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 17:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nomination and discussion "defense". [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Python+brongersmai%2CBlood+python&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CPython%20brongersmai%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CBlood%20python%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CPython%20brongersmai%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CBlood%20python%3B%2Cc0 N-grams show the proposed name is the better known in English of these two choices]. Although named in the vicinity of a well-known person in the field, the present name sounds like a soup. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': There are so many common names probably best to keep the binomial. [[User:YorkshireExpat|YorkshireExpat]] ([[User talk:YorkshireExpat|talk]]) 18:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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Comment: Randy Kryn's Ngram link was using a case-sensitive search. The Ngram link in my original nomination rationale was much better, as it was case-insensitive, and it shows a much more conclusive result. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 23:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)