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::::Are you planning on creating a full article? How about once you've written it, with the history, papers, etc., so it's more than a stub, ''then'' you add the dab notice to the parent article? Otherwise you're redirecting readers for no purpose. [[User:Kwamikagami|— kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 20:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Are you planning on creating a full article? How about once you've written it, with the history, papers, etc., so it's more than a stub, ''then'' you add the dab notice to the parent article? Otherwise you're redirecting readers for no purpose. [[User:Kwamikagami|— kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 20:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::You are telling me how to develop an article. Above you were directing me to create some other article. Anyway, you ''still'' have not pointed out, nor tagged, what the issue is/are with the stub, and so why it cannot be a stub. High level of paternalising and imposing. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::You are telling me how to develop an article. Above you were directing me to create some other article. Anyway, you ''still'' have not pointed out, nor tagged, what the issue is/are with the stub, and so why it cannot be a stub. High level of paternalising and imposing. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep#top|talk]]) 20:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

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Help with the Spanish Unichar template

Hello. I need some help with the unichar template on the Spanish Wikipedia. For some reason, some parameters do not appear. could you help me? Thanks Daniel G. (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel G.: Hi. Looks like the examples look OK: Es:Plantilla:Unichar#Ejemplo. What is not OK? -DePiep (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DePiep Does not show the notes or the html parameter. I do not know why 🤷🏻‍♂️ ~~~~ Daniel G. (talk) 08:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removing WP Chemistry/Chemicals from templates

Why did you remove the WikiProject from the Chembox tree? (e.g. [1] )I added them three years ago so they would be part of recent changes. Christian75 (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is only a subtemplate, does not appear standalone. It's {{Chembox}}. For maintenance or template reseach there is, for example, Category:Chembox templates (154). HTH -DePiep (talk) 21:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But they belongs to the WikiProjcet and therefore, they should be tagged with the WikiProject banner. Christian75 (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They still are in the WP, via {{Chembox}}. But they are not by themselves, not standalone. For example, /doc pages are not bannered either. Do you have a situation where this is an issue? -DePiep (talk) 04:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, next time someone updates Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Lists of pagess, the templates will disappear. Christian75 (talk) 07:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and correctly so. Not an issue. Again, these are all subpages of the template. They are not independent, standalone pages. The template itself shows up as expected & intended. So please point out why such dependent subpages should be listed there? -DePiep (talk) 07:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So you can see recent changes. Is it a problem that subtemplates have WIkiProject banners? Christian75 (talk) 07:28, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are not standalone. WP:RELC through the category I already mentioned. Since you did not once started to explain why you think the subpages should be listed, I will stop this exchange because it is only a repetition by now. -DePiep (talk) 07:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Christian75: I have been thinking some more about this. If one wants to follow {{Chembox}} developments (say, talks and edits; maybe sandboxes, testcases), there are the following options. There is a level of intensity: how many pages do you want on the watchlist?
  1. WT:CHEMISTRY, WT:CHEMICALS, {{Chembox}} (talk), {{Infobox drug}} (talk) are the basic pages for the watchlist & participation. All notes here apply to the Drugbox-environment equally, adjusted.
  2. Category:Chembox templates (154) is the one to follow, using WP:RELC. A Special page so on the fly, no watchlist notings.
  3. template talk:Chembox is the central talkpage to go to. None of the 450 subtemplate page, nor their /docs or /sandboxes, have talkpages any more.
  4. The 10 sectiontemplates {{Chembox Identifiers}} .. {{Chembox Footer}} (under * in the Category)) is the next level of activity to watchlist: usually all serious /subtemplate changes show here beforehand. Minor changes like "http: → https:" could be missed.
  5. The Testpages can be watchlisted, or {{Chembox/testcases/navbox}} can be RELC-followed. This is where development actions are visible early.
  6. Category:Chembox documentation (6) has the main documentation pages (not the /doc pages), including parameter lists, the validation bot, ..
  7. Category:Chembox tracking categories (28) does the articles.
  8. And of course once can watchlist individual pages by special interest, like CAS RN datapoint.

HTH. -DePiep (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Beryllium

Thank you for your support. I really appreciate it. That user made two unfounded reverts but never joined the discussion I started. Now they ask me about my IP. Ridiculous :-) 85.193.215.210 (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thx, hope you feel safe in editing now. Here is the guide: never engage in such personal requests. If more troublesome, or more doxing, look at WP:Oversight (I could do that too). Al the best. DePiep (talk) 18:46, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unicode versions in code charts

I think it would be much more interesting to say what version of Unicode a given block was last changed in, maybe saying "since Unicode V 1".Spitzak (talk) 15:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good plan. We can add that (to {{Infobox Unicode block}}) later on, it is plainly adding information. Should have a good link target. IMO better & easier not to do this together with version 15-changes these weeks.
Having said this: {{Unicode version}} is mainly intended for our maintenance tracking: when an new Unicode version is published, we should check all pages that say "as of version 14" (that is, references, sources, {{As of}} statements), manually! For example, chapter numbers (for the same text!) may have changed. So, using
Redirect
has a different goal that what you prop[ose. OK? -DePiep (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, though if that is the purpose putting the version in a comment might be ok. I also found that the template does not say "Unicode version" if I change the text to "since" and gave up on trying anything anyway.Spitzak (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That would be |prefix=since Unicode version. HTH. I am editing the infobox :-) DePiep (talk) 15:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to create articles on Unicode blocks, Cyrillic D needs a page. But if we already have an article, as at Kaktovik, it's not worth creating a stub that's merely a content fork. — kwami (talk) 19:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"not worth" - the opposite. The Category:Unicode blocks (344) are the righty place to describe block hiostory, including the huge & higly infomative Unicode papers. Developing such a page in-section and then forking out, as you seem to propose, is abusing the host article and creating unbalance (for example, the Unicode history papers as mentioned). Also, being a stub is no reason for deletion or hiding. Quite the opposite. DePiep (talk) 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:FORK.
There were no Unicode papers. If you're willing to create a real article, great. Otherwise it's merely clutter.
Also, redirecting a merged fork is not "hiding" it. And it's the person who starts edit-warring (you) who should instead start the discussion, per WP:BOLD. I'm disappointed to hear such nonsense from you. You know better. — kwami (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I know FORK. As I said, cumbersome & burdening for the parent article to develop a Block article in section. I also know almost each and every of these, which simply show the goal. Now my question is: what is wrong with a stub?, and that cannot be solved with a tag. For an item that was published into life not yet six hours ago. What is the harm? DePiep (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But the block already has a section in the parent article. You're not making it less cumbersome, you're just duplicating it.
Are you planning on creating a full article? How about once you've written it, with the history, papers, etc., so it's more than a stub, then you add the dab notice to the parent article? Otherwise you're redirecting readers for no purpose. — kwami (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are telling me how to develop an article. Above you were directing me to create some other article. Anyway, you still have not pointed out, nor tagged, what the issue is/are with the stub, and so why it cannot be a stub. High level of paternalising and imposing. DePiep (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Consider this a formal warning, your next revert will be a violation of WP:3RR. ––FormalDude (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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