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... that President Donald Trump watched the 2019 film Joker with his friends and family at the White House and reportedly enjoyed it?

Improved to Good Article status by Some Dude From North Carolina (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Passes DYK check, article promoted to GA on September 2, 2020, hook properly cited and matches reference contents. --benlisquare_T•C•E 14:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit genre[edit]

May I know from which source we are retrieving the genre for a movie? Ashokkumar047 (talk) 10:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genre is formed by consensu, not sources. NEDOCHAN (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since when? Is the genre policy different between movies and albums? I distinctly remember a few issues with "unsourced genres" from albums in the past. Though I agree it is definitely a thriller and not a crime film, last I checked it was listed as a psychological thriller, and in my eyes it deserves the designation easily. What happened there? Nerdwizard (talk) 02:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Carson[edit]

Is no one mentioning that Murray Franklin shares strong visual similarities with Johnny Carson? From the White Suit Top to the Colored Curtains etc?

This wouldn't also be the first time DC Comics has in general made a characterization of a celebrity comedian only to have them brutally murdered. Other victims of this include Abbot and Costello, and David Letterman.

Is there an honest reason for this? Maxcardun (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to cite a reliable source that discusses any of this. DonQuixote (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but I just find it strange no one spoke about this yet. Maxcardun (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Edit genre ==
-== "failed standup comedian" isn't accurate ==
-For most of the film he is not a standup comedian, and though he fails in many ways, it's ambiguous as to whether he is failing at standup.
-He has some nervous difficulties on stage during his first booking which is beyond the normal range of cringe for a first-time standup comic, but not by all that much. The rest of the show may have been (and probably was) abysmal, but if it was, ''we are not shown.'' He leaves with his confidence squarely intact (delusional or not) and a bunch of media attention that seems like it would be sufficient to get him further gigs. He was not cast out and he has not given up. That isn't failure. In order to succeed at anything we first need to do it badly a few times. It's okay to do things badly. If you are bad at something, you can get better at it. It's important to have that internalized. I am worried that the people who perceive Arthur as having failed in standup do not get that stuff, and that would be no way to live, and they should try to cultivate more faith in themselves and others.
-(related note, I was reading, recently, [https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vwM7hnT9ysE3suwfk/notes-on-the-anthropology-of-childhood#How_do_children_learn_ many non-western cultures seem to engage in very little deliberate teaching], and some of it (as well as personal experience) is sort of suggestive to me of an innate human tendency to underrate peoples' capacities to learn. I wonder what that's about. I might consider a theory that... our capacity to learn has recently grown faster than our social instincts about learning could keep up with it... but I don't like this theory.)
-Why are people saying "failed"? Where did that come from? I think there was a joker comic where that was the case, but you know, that's its own thing.
-[[User:Myas012|Myas012]] ([[User talk:Myas012|talk]]) 04:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
-== Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2021 ==
+May I know from which source we are retrieving the genre for a movie? [[User:Ashokkumar047|Ashokkumar047]] ([[User talk:Ashokkumar047|talk]]) 10:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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-Plot summary currently reads: "... leaving swaths of the population disenfranchised and impoverished." The word "disenfranchised" means one has lost the right to vote. not that life is hard due to economic hardships. As such, the words "disenfranchised and" should be deleted leaving only "impoverished" in the referenced sentence. [[User:Mtbagg01|Mtbagg01]] ([[User talk:Mtbagg01|talk]]) 21:14, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
-:'''Comment''' From dictionary.com {{tq|1. to deprive (a person) of a right of citizenship, as of the right to vote. 2. to deprive of a franchise, privilege, or right.}}
-:A little more than voting. [[User:DonQuixote|DonQuixote]] ([[User talk:DonQuixote|talk]]) 21:28, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
-::[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disenfranchised includes: "deprived of some right, privilege, or immunity". A Google search shows that many reliable sources use the term about the plot. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
+:Genre is formed by consensu, not sources. [[User:NEDOCHAN|NEDOCHAN]] ([[User talk:NEDOCHAN|talk]]) 22:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
-== Does this film count as a Batman film, in terms of Sub-Categories and what-not? ==
+::Since when? Is the genre policy different between movies and albums? I distinctly remember a few issues with "unsourced genres" from albums in the past. Though I agree it is definitely a thriller and not a crime film, last I checked it was listed as a ''psychological'' thriller, and in my eyes it deserves the designation easily. What happened there? [[User:Nerdwizard|Nerdwizard]] ([[User talk:Nerdwizard|talk]]) 02:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
+== Johnny Carson ==
-Yes this film is a DC film through and through, yes it's centered on Batman's nemesis more-so than any other film before it, but does it count as a Batman film itself, owing to the film's heavy use of the Wayne's as plot devices and the implication that Arthur Fleck may or may not, in fact, be Bruce Wayne's older half-brother? That, and the film employs many references to The Dark Knight Returns and Joker's arc in said story, only to segue to portraying Batman's origin story near the very end of the movie.[[User:Internet Informant|Internet Informant]] ([[User talk:Internet Informant|talk]]) 15:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
+Is no one mentioning that Murray Franklin shares strong visual similarities with Johnny Carson?  From the White Suit Top to the Colored Curtains etc?
-== Introducing some homage or Easter eggs in  ''Joker'' ==
+This wouldn't also be the first time DC Comics has in general made a characterization of a celebrity comedian only to have them brutally murdered.  Other victims of this include Abbot and Costello, and David Letterman.
-Well, I watched [[Joker (2019 film)]], and I wonder why there is not any place and section to show homage and easter eggs in ''Joker''; it adapt many source from multiple film, Martin's and several [[batman in film|batman films]].
+Is there an honest reason for this? [[User:Maxcardun|Maxcardun]] ([[User talk:Maxcardun|talk]]) 17:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
-If you cannot make a place for show homages, how about this way? Now ''Joker'' article includes [https://www.gamesradar.com/joker-easter-eggs-references/ this news story], introducing some homage source, such as "bad day" sentence from ''[[Batman: The Killing Joke]]'', officer Debra Kane's name, ''[[Zorro, The Gay Blade]]'', [[bat pole]], etc. And also, Werner's bro Korea demonstrated 11 easter eggs from previous batman film, mainly ''[[The Dark Knight (film)|The Dark Knight]]'': police car scene, 'freak' word.[https://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=421&aid=0004244331](Korean)
+:You need to [[WP:CITE|cite]] a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that discusses any of this. [[User:DonQuixote|DonQuixote]] ([[User talk:DonQuixote|talk]]) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
-I do not think that all of them are must included in ''Joker''. But, I guess, is it ok that Debra Kane the officer in 'cast' paragraph, and "bad day" sentence and TDK homage is described as ''[[Help:Footnotes|notes]]'' in 'Writing' paragraph, like notes in 'plot' paragraph at [[MCU]] film articles? It do not harm any portion, just adding new neutral information; at least, in 'Writing' paragraph, TDK also is  added as motive film. [[User:Reiro|Reiro]] ([[User talk:Reiro|talk]]) 16:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
+::I agree, but I just find it strange no one spoke about this yet. [[User:Maxcardun|Maxcardun]] ([[User talk:Maxcardun|talk]]) 16:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)