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:You have no worries about the general public seeing it here; my talk page is invisible to all but the most intelligent and beneficent. I find that lead a bit stilted after the first sentence. I haven't got much time for messing about on Wikipedia today, but I'll try to come up with an alternative later and then we can pick the best bits. [[User:Yomangani|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangani|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:You have no worries about the general public seeing it here; my talk page is invisible to all but the most intelligent and beneficent. I find that lead a bit stilted after the first sentence. I haven't got much time for messing about on Wikipedia today, but I'll try to come up with an alternative later and then we can pick the best bits. [[User:Yomangani|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangani|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

::LOL. I made some additional tweaks and wordsmithing; I have done so deliberately NOT seeing the sources, so I can be sure my wording is original, but if in doing so I severed something from its source or otherwise screwed up something, feel free to trout slap me and fix it! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 17:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

The Genji Award
Thanks for your copyedits to Murasaki Shikibu and for the help in bringing it through FAC. Thanks also for the red-links. Teishi is waiting for your return! Truthkeeper (talk) 17:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crom might be tardy but he never forgets.

Literary Achievement Barnstar
Thank you for your review and selfless copy-editing of Conan the Barbarian (1982 film). You have really helped to improve the article beyond what it originally was and have shown that fine cuts with the pen is often what is needed. Jappalang (talk) 01:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Conan the Barbarian strides to FAC

Hi, I appreciate the work you have done for this article and wonder if you are willing to accept being the co-nominator for this at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Conan the Barbarian (1982 film)/archive1? If not, would you be willing to offer additional comments and insights over at FAC to further improve this article? Thank you again and again. Jappalang (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About Beagle

Hi! I have just written the comment "Really a Beagle won Best in Show at Crufts?" in the Beagle talk page. I tell you because maybe you are interested on it. Greetings, --Furado (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Barnstar Barnstar
For starting and writing the article Jacco Macacco.

Amundsen's centenary

I know your WP contributions are somewhat sporadic these days, but I was pleased to see your recent contribution to the Conan the Barbarian peer review. I wonder if you'd be prepared to review Amundsen's South Pole expedition at PR? It's about 2½ years since I retired from Antarctic articles, but 14 December is the centenary of Amunden's conquest and I'd like to see this feat recognised as TFA on the appropriate day. I've been working on this (with others) during the past few months; in view of your experience in contributing to such articles in the past, any comments you can give will be most useful. Good wishes, Brianboulton (talk) 23:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good timing; I might be able to squeeze it in. Yomanganitalk 00:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have closed the peer review. I hope that your issues were dealt with satisfactorily; in any event, it's gone to FAC now, so good luck to it! Brianboulton (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Yomangani,

You modified the succeeding names below the picture of Scott's group at de:Terra-Nova-Expedition. You had done the same in the English description of the picture file. I have followed that step for the German version, to avoid confusion.

Can you state us, which source you have used for that modification of names, which deviates from the original description of User:Hal8999 dating December 8, 2007

Thanks, KaPe (talk) 00:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Magpie

formerly confined art studios

I appreciate your enthusiasm and your help, but that change doesn't make sense in English. Viriditas (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The DB was in readonly when I submitted, I obviously went back too far. Yomanganitalk 01:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Do you have access to any Japanese language sources on this topic? I ask because I believe the snow scene was originally popularized by Asian artists, and while Monet might have come to it from European influences, it can be traced back to Asia. Viriditas (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't let the user name fool you: I'm not Japanese. Yomanganitalk 11:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yomangani!

It's a lomng time since we spoke, but I have a favour to ask - Do you remember working on this page: Queluz National Palace well since we all left it to its owm devices several pictures have been added which have spoilt the layout we all worked so hard to acheive and agree on - I wonder if you could revisit the site and organise some sort of layout - it all looks a bit of a jumble at the moment, and I don't know how to do pictures unless it's a very basic layout. Thanks. Giacomo Returned 09:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eat your veggies young man

Hierarchic Cabbage Award
Awarded to the one and only YoMan for arterial spraying. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure as soon I decide what data I will be selecting to support my thesis, then this will very much prove my point. Yomanganitalk 02:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re The Boss

You are right - I will file a 3RR report and unblock him for now. Thanks, and by the way I love arterial spray. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


The Guidance Barnstar
Given with respect and admiration to Yomangani for all you do here, and for having a cooler and smarter head than I did. Thanks again. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Your recent c-e of The Monster was very helpful, but the edit summaries almost made me snorfle my tea. Thank you for fixing my wordy idiosyncrasies -- and for making my morning a little more enjoyable! María (yllosubmarine) 13:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a sentient vacuum cleaner to clean up the snorfle. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Snorfle...I like it. Not sure what it means, but I like it. Yomanganitalk 13:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Snorfle: when you inadvertently laugh while reading/hearing something particularly amusing, causing you to exhale quickly into the cup you were just raising to your lips. This of course creates a tidal wave of (often steaming, sometimes carbonated) liquid to cascade against the inside of your cup, which then buffets back toward your sensitive mouth and nose area. You are forced to quickly suck down the tsunami before it chokes or drowns you, often resulting in a giggly-gurgly noise and/or a burned tongue. To use it in a sentence: "Remind me not to watch Monty Python clips on YouTube while imbibing; the Fish Slapping Dance has snorfle written all over it." María (yllosubmarine) 14:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Holloway picture of a boy.

I can write a rational bit on the end of the image description box no problem. As far as transferring it over to commons goes I'm afraid I don't know how to do that. I'm no good with commons I'm afraid, so if you know then please, be my guest as long as it doesn't delete the image as its an integral part of the article. If not, briefly explain how I do it and I'll give it a go. I will write a rational now. -- Cassianto (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there above image now re uploaded and added to article. I think this is now correct. -- Cassianto (talk) 01:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for that!. Incidentally, could your opinion on the article as I'm trying to drum up some interest as per WP:FAC and would really value your opinion -- Cassianto (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

;) no worries thanks for that -- Cassianto (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Don't worry, I was already very much going off the idea. It is a daunting place right now (I regularly read the reviews there), so very nitpicky. It would be satisfying to get the recognition and see her on the main page for a day, but like you said it doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme of things. On the contrary, I actually think some of the requirements end up being detrimental to the article (such as when reasonable pictures end up having to be removed, for instance, or when you can scarcely add an adjective for fear of it being POV...) Maybe I'll face it someday, but not now. Thank you for fixing the licencing on that image, your description is a good one. And I have started working on Spencer Tracy's page btw, I couldn't let Kate have a full one and leave his so empty haha. --Lobo512 (talk) 17:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tired

I like the tired template the best. Might use it some day. Just wanted you to know. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to sneak it into the Retired template but it's fully protected. Quite a sensible decision apparently. Are you returning?Yomanganitalk 21:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well your template was absolutely correct - it was done in a moment of anger. I've been working too much and am generally burned out. And it's showing. I'll return, but when I'm a little more centered (whatever that means!) and feeling generally better about wiki. Thanks for the laugh though - it really did make me smile. I almost put it on my page, but I think that page has had more than enough changes. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for being around this year - I've enjoyed getting to know you. And I'm not always this dramatic - well maybe I am, what can you do, one of those sensitive creative types you know. Anyway, I'm saving your template in case I ever need it. For the moment I seem to be centered again (whatever that means!) and wanted to wish the best for the holidays. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overdue

The Edit Summaries Bahnstah
For this, this, and especially this, just to name a few recent ones. Plus for giving me a reason to use the wiki-luv thing atop the page. Kafka Liz (talk) 03:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If it is called "wiki-luv" I revoke any permissions for you to use it. (Oh, right, you already decided you don't need permission. How frustrating.) Yomanganitalk 14:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no corresponding wiki-hate button, sadly. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday greetings, Yomangani! Kafka Liz (talk) 21:34, 25 December 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Good catches, as always, on the Early Netherlandish article. Thank you. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I know you haven't haven't finished, but that makes copy-editing soooo much easier. I used to have a lot of stuff on van der Weyden, but it seems to have disappeared. I can only find a VHS (what's that?) and a catalogue from the Rijksmuseum which isn't particularly enlightening. Yomanganitalk 01:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing on Betamax? You disappoint me. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also called

I see this barnstar has gone to your head. Of course they're bloody also called "sledge dogs", how could they not be? (Sledge dog is a redirect to Sled dog, as is proper.) A sled is also called a sledge — see how I put that in ? (My "sledge" addition may not be very noticeable from the diffs — try this one, it's slightly more helpful.) And how could the excessively common form "sledge" (the form I'd use myself, since I regard "sled" as a degenerate Americanism) then help but lead to the term "sledge dog" being prominent in speech, in writing, in legend and song, and on Google? I didn't even take the trouble to google that term, I assumed it would be much the same as for sled dog, so I'm not surprised at the number of your mince pies. The doggies are also called that, it's just ridiculously redundant to say so. There wasn't room in my edit summary for a specific explanation of why I removed "sledge dog" — I should probably have removed that in a separate edit with an elaborate reason given. But I was getting bored, after all my valuable work (of which you are obviously jealous) tightening the lead, and I did think that one was self-explanatory, what with my addition of "also called 'sledge'", which is surely a word everybody fucking knows anyway? Well, self-explanatory to you, at least. Are those mince pies traditionally made with some glögg in them or something, or are you just semi-conscious from overfeeding? No wonder yo mama so fat. Bishonen | talk 22:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Well, it's a fair point if we weren't dealing with those degenerate Americans [1] who need these points hammering home regardless of redundancy and elegant writing. I would like to hear the some of the sledge dog songs though, Ferlin Husky or Sister Sledge must have done something. Yomanganitalk 23:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For Amundsen's dogs, it's obviously down to which term the South Polers themselves use. Bishonen | talk 00:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Or perhaps which recipe. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting dog pemmican is to dogs as lamb casserole is to lambs? Yomanganitalk 01:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*whistles* I refuse to answer on the grounds I may incriminate myself. As long as lamb fries are not involved, I think we are safe. Kafka Liz (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think they call them dire wolves. Yomanganitalk 01:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 10:54, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrate

A toast - Yomangani - Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and lets hope it's a good one!...Modernist (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Season's greetings

and best wishes for 2012!
Thanks for all you do here, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agua fiesta !

At least mine was well written (I spose I should say "dude" more often, though). [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

True, all those made-up abbreviations and shorthanded asides are painful. Yours didn't seem particularly helpful though. Put it back if you like but as an attack on Wehwalt with only the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence that he's involved any sort of campaign it would look hard to beat without invoking the "taboo in the US word". Yomanganitalk 15:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yoman, I shall forever to continue to insult your machismo by reminding you that you are The One and Only Adorable One! I won't put it back-- evidence isn't flimsy, but most can already see it, so no reason to go there anyway. Stay above the fray ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:54, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I continue to maintain that I'm a double hard bastard. Yomanganitalk 15:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not touching that one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
From that comment I imagine this has lost something in translation while winging its way across the Atlantic. Yomanganitalk 16:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure the civility police will fill you in! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Entombment

Sorry to have made you lose your dinner! Thanks for the tidy - always stuff I don't see, no matter how hard I look, but I blame it on a small screen and bad eyes. Would you by chance be interested in having a look at Bal des Ardents - though hopefully it won't make you puke! I haven't a clue what my plans are for it but I like the story and might one day again enter the hallowed halls of FAC. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC):[reply]

Does anybody really call it the "Ball of the Burning Men"? How unpoetical of them. I'll have a look - it's my kind of article. Yomanganitalk 01:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah they do in some sources, but you don't like cites in the lead, so ... Thanks, btw. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Have you packed it in again? (Don't reply if the answer is yes or you'll ruin the effect). Yomanganitalk 00:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not because of the FAC stuff; it just happened to coincide. Something's come up that will keep me from editing - I don't know for how long. Thanks anyway for the edits to Bal des Ardents. Obviously I still stop in to peek. If it were because of wikipedia I would have used your template. Truthkeeper (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, good luck with whatever it is (if it's the sort of thing you need luck with and you believe in that sort of thing). If I'm around when you're back let me know and I'll caper about in a highly flammable suit near a naked flame. Yomanganitalk 16:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the edits - you're much more knowledgeable than I am. Strangely I've been writing about things I don't know anything about. Anyway, I'm more gone than here, but am hoping to clear out some time to be around more. I'll see how it goes. Just wanted you to know. I do check in and I have access to the sources, so if you post questions here or the talkpage, I'll respond. Personally I blame Ceoil for the state of the lead, but haven't the energy to tackle it yet. I always do leads last. Truthkeeper (talk) 03:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plateosaurus and the past

Hi, many thanks for helping with Plateosaurus! For a while I felt like the last of the "Plateohicans" there. You improved a lot of stuff! I reverted your transferring the skull into the past. The bones (and that's all that paragraph talks about) still exist, and still have the described shapes. As soon as we talk about anything to do with soft tissues, that's gone and thus needs past tense. The article should stick to this principle throughout, but it is well possible that something slipped by. I'll check ;) HMallison (talk) 08:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and a question: you removed the crosslink from the first metnion of "radius", and added it to the second. Why? HMallison (talk) 08:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, doh! I hadn't noticed the radius thing was in a caption! Sorry.
As for the past/present: I was tempted to sort not by body section, but by bone/soft tissue, but that didn't work well. And yes, I have the rib connection in past tense because it is is by soft tissues. I don't really know a good solution: talking in past tense about an object that exists today feels strange, too.
Behavior: there's a bunch of things I could write, but not cite :( No sources, no addition to wikipedia. And there is a bunch of nonsense out there, but sources explicitly saying it is BS are hard to find, too. HMallison (talk) 10:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Leno multi images

Hi there hope all is well. Assuming your back with us, could you have a look at the images in Dan Leno and more specifically the blue plaque and house multi images I uploaded recently. Having worked with you before on Stanley Holloway which, incidentally, made it to FA, I was impressed with your knowledge and I'm eager to know if you think these are OK. I made a bit of a mess but I think they have all gone on ok. -- Cassianto (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's brilliant thanks for looking. I will get to work on them straight away. There are other images in the pipeline as the article progress's so I may or may not replace these if it proves to be too much of a headache. It was touch and go for Holloway at times, I thought the images were really going to let me down. Jappalang did a good job in thier review and as a result I lost a few, however eight remain and all are essential to the article fortunately. I have certainly learnt to get the images sorted before taking any article to WP:GAC OR WP:FAC in future. Incidentally, can I ask you for a secondary review once I have had a go at editing/uploading the existing/new images on Leno in a few weeks? Best regards! -- Cassianto (talk) 16:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Favour

Can you scan Witches' Sabbath (Goya, 1823) pls for stupidity. Ive left it go for a long time, want to push it again. tks. Ceoil (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for edits, but the attack on Cork people was, just, uncalled for. Consider your self telled. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Latest userbox

I'm tempted, I'm tempted. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I haven't thanked you properly for the edits to Bals des Ardents. Very much appreciated. It's almost finished. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Leno - almost there

Hi hope all is well with you. Things are moving swiftly and the above is currently in PR. I just wanted to check something with you. I am eager to use this image in the early part of the article. Is there a way I can use it without it causing problems? If so what licensing can I use, rational etc. I suspect permission may have to be gained from V&A, or I may have to visit the museum to get a picture myself, but thought I'd try the easier way first. Considering all goes well, I envisage being at FAC in a week's time. Can I knock on your door for a quick image review if requested? All the best -- Cassianto (talk) 01:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Briefly (as I won't be around for a few days)...you'd be best off emailing the V&A [3] - as it is a 3D artwork the photographer has some rights. I wouldn't envisage there being a problem, but if you can upload it to commons that will make it easier than having to write a FU rationale and justify its inclusion when you go to FAC. I'll try and have a look over the images when I get a chance to see if there are any problems. Yomanganitalk 01:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's understood. I will drop them an email and certainly add to commons depending in its outcome. IMO, the images currently on there should have no problems (but then what do I know!) No hurry for the images, I will be going to FAC in about a week or two. Thanks again! -- Cassianto (talk) 10:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Y, thanks for the comments, you did say you may have other comments, is that the case or are you happy with what has been done? I will imminantly close the PR and start knocking on the door of FAC if you give the green light. -- Cassianto (talk) 11:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leno and Grimaldi

LENO: Thanks for the comments on it. To be honest, I didn't really want to add the modern equivalents, it was only because it came up in the PR that I felt obliged to add. I have always been one to go with my gut feeling so I may end up removing again in GAN. All it will take is for someone to mention it and I'll delete straight away ;-) That's good about the images, still no news from V&A about the Leno belt however. GRIMALDI: Yes, I am interested in extending Grimaldi further but I was going to wait until Leno was finished. I was going up to the British Library next week to find some books etc so I would be more than happy to collaborate if your willing. -- Cassianto (talk) 11:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thats great, I'll be ready as soon as I get the books. I've had a quick search on the BL catalogue and it seems there are a quite a few books available. I'll order them today. -- Cassianto (talk) 13:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maroons

Would you have "slaves" to "Slaves"? I asked the author about this, the answer was: "maroon should not be capitalized", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They are a socio-ethnic group, so capitalization makes more sense. See Creole peoples and Cimarron people (Panama) for a couple of examples. Anyway the article couldn't make up its mind on Maroon or maroon, so at least it is consistent now. Yomanganitalk 14:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
English is not my first language: how should I understand (from the source) "from the 1600s through 1860"? 1700 seems not to be it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sayers says that there were people living in the swamp from the 1600s but the Maroons didn't arrive until around 1700. They couldn't be there in in the 1600s as they hadn't arrived, let alone escaped. Yomanganitalk 15:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

constructive critical article improvement
Thank you for taking the time to improve the Great Dismal Swamp maroons, with careful attention to detail and precision, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that at first I couldn't keep up with your speed doing so! English is not my strength. Sorry also that I am attached to the article, I feel a bit like taking care of a baby whose mother is in jail. I would like to improve the lead, and rather discuss it here than on the article talk, a bit shy to present my deficiancy in English to the general public. What do you think of the following:

The Great Dismal Swamp maroons were maroons, escaped slaves, who lived freely as an established community within the marshlands of the Great Dismal Swamp, now in Virginia and North Carolina. In 1856, Harriett Beecher Stowe based her novel Dred: A Tale of the Great Dismal Swamp on them. The most significant research on the maroon settlements in the swamp began in 2002 with a project by Dan Sayers of American University. Research suggests that thousands of people lived in the swamp in oppressive conditions until the end of the Civil War. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have no worries about the general public seeing it here; my talk page is invisible to all but the most intelligent and beneficent. I find that lead a bit stilted after the first sentence. I haven't got much time for messing about on Wikipedia today, but I'll try to come up with an alternative later and then we can pick the best bits. Yomanganitalk 11:08, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. I made some additional tweaks and wordsmithing; I have done so deliberately NOT seeing the sources, so I can be sure my wording is original, but if in doing so I severed something from its source or otherwise screwed up something, feel free to trout slap me and fix it! Montanabw(talk) 17:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]