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(sculpture) or (Kirby)

Kintetsubuffalo, thanks for your work here. Are you sure that "(sculpture)" is the correct convention for the title of the article? I was relying on WP:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Works of art, which states "If the title is not very specific, or refers to a common subject, add the surname of the artist in parentheses afterwards, e.g. Reading the Letter (Picasso)." --Usernameunique (talk) 13:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen both, usually the artist name is when there are multiple similarly named artworks.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The discussion has closed as keep. My rationale for a merge with Rick Kirby was only as an alternative to outright deletion. Since this article is being kept, there is little point in a merge and I will not pursue it. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 {{u|Kintetsubuffalo}}, thanks for your work here. Are you sure that "(sculpture)" is the correct convention for the title of the article? I was relying on [[WP:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Works of art]], which states "If the title is not very specific, or refers to a common subject, add the surname of the artist in parentheses afterwards, e.g. [[Reading the Letter (Picasso)]]." --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 13:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 :I have seen both, usually the artist name is when there are multiple similarly named artworks.--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Kintetsubuffalo]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 13:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
-== Notability ==
-The notability of this artwork is not evident from the cited sources. — Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 20:19, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
-:{{u|Editør}}, any reason why Cocke 2013, and the various contemporary sources about its installation, are not enough? --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 22:33, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
-::For each reference:
-::1: catalogue of all public sculptures, does not establish notability of any particular sculpture
-::2: catalogue of all public sculptures, does not establish notability of any particular sculpture
-::3: sales catalogue, not independent of the artist, does not establish notability
-::4: local newspaper, discusses the artwork, but alone not enough to establish notability
-::5: does not mention the sculpture
-::6: does not mention the sculpture
-::In general, local newspapers can vary in quality and reliability, while some are dedicated to indepentent journalism, others will directly print press releases as articles. I don't know the Ipswitch Star and looking at the source I don't immediately see any issues, but in my opinion this source alone is not enough to establish the sculpture's notability. If no additional sources that establish notability can be found, maybe the relevant content can be moved to the paragraph about the visitor center in [[Sutton Hoo]]? — Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 11:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
-:::Some new sources have been added, but the new sources are about (the background of) the visitor centre, not the sculpture that is the subject of this article. As such they cannot establish the notability of the sculpture. – Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 09:20, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
-::::{{u|Editør}}, does the new section "Themes" address your concerns? It addresses the sculpture in a way that could not be covered in the [[Sutton Hoo]] article, relating it both to the actual helmet, and to Kirby's work. Re: the first two sources you mention above (Cocke 2009/2013), I'm not sure where your statement comes from that they cover "all" public sculpture, not just that which is sufficiently notable. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 21:18, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
-:::::Among the cited sources I see no improvement in terms of establishing the sculpture's notability:
-:::::1. Cocke 2009: catalogue of local public artworks, does not establish notability of any single artwork
-:::::2. Cocke 2013: catalogue of local public artworks, does not establish notability of any single artwork
-:::::3. Axle Arts 2015a: gallery tweet, not independent from the author
-:::::4. Ipswich Star 2002: local newspaper, discusses the artwork, but alone not enough to establish notability
-:::::5. Worsley 2003: does not mention the artwork
-:::::6. National Trust: does not mention the artwork
-:::::7. Architects' Journal 2000: published 2 years before the artwork was made
-:::::8. Dawson 2002: undetermined, because I have no access
-:::::9. Kennedy 2002: does not mention the sculpture
-:::::10. Axle Arts 2015b: gallery catalogue, not indenpendent from the author
-:::::11. Cocke 2013: see 2
-:::::12. Williams 1992: published 10 years before the artwork was made
-:::::13. Bruce-Mitford 1972: published 30 years before the artwork was made
-:::::14. Williams 1992: see 12
-:::::15. ArtParkS: mentions the artwork once in a list, but no significant coverage that can establish notability
-:::::16. Bath Contemporary: mentions the artwork once in a list, but no significant coverage that can establish notability
-:::::I am putting back the warning and I am going to nominate the article for deletion, so others can weigh in. – Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 19:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 == Merge ==