User talk:Heidelbergensis

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Greetings. In late 2020, I was site banned by the community after an argument on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The ground of my ban was that since I was trying to push a political agenda, I wasn't here for building an encyclopedia and some other things on the same path. Now, when I look back, even though I denied them at that moment, I accept most of these accusations. However, my point is not that my block was unjustified. In this period of time, I changed. I see how and why what I did was wrong. After being banned from English Wikipedia, I started editing on Turkish Wikipedia. Since that time, I have made more than 5.000 edits and created dozens of articles on many different subjects. I also promoted three good articles, with another one currently waiting at nomination. I even created some articles that were directly related to the Armenian Genocide (one of the grounds of my ban at that moment was that I tried to deny it), for example, one about its terminology. My attitudes and the way I look at Wikipedia have widely changed since the date I was blocked, and I started using it to actually build an encyclopedia. I would be more than happy to return to English Wikipedia and this time start making constructive edits with the purpose of helping the spread of information, instead of trying to build a political agenda, and I appeal to your generosity about it. Thanks.--Saotura (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=Greetings. In late 2020, I was site banned by the community after an argument on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The ground of my ban was that since I was trying to push a political agenda, I wasn't here for building an encyclopedia and some other things on the same path. Now, when I look back, even though I denied them at that moment, I accept most of these accusations. However, my point is not that my block was unjustified. In this period of time, I changed. I see how and why what I did was wrong. After being banned from English Wikipedia, I started editing on Turkish Wikipedia. Since that time, I have made more than 5.000 edits and created dozens of articles on many different subjects. I also promoted [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club! three] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Schreck good] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig_Potthast articles], with [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemmersdorf_Katliam%C4%B1 another one] currently waiting at nomination. I even created some articles that were directly related to the Armenian Genocide (one of the grounds of my ban at that moment was that I tried to deny it), for example, one about [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermeni_K%C4%B1r%C4%B1m%C4%B1_terminolojisi its terminology]. My attitudes and the way I look at Wikipedia have widely changed since the date I was blocked, and I started using it to actually [[Wikipedia:NOTHERE|build an encyclopedia]]. I would be more than happy to return to English Wikipedia and this time start making constructive edits with the purpose of helping the spread of information, instead of trying to build a political agenda, and I appeal to your generosity about it. Thanks.--[[User:Saotura|Saotura]] ([[User talk:Saotura#top|talk]]) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Greetings. In late 2020, I was site banned by the community after an argument on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The ground of my ban was that since I was trying to push a political agenda, I wasn't here for building an encyclopedia and some other things on the same path. Now, when I look back, even though I denied them at that moment, I accept most of these accusations. However, my point is not that my block was unjustified. In this period of time, I changed. I see how and why what I did was wrong. After being banned from English Wikipedia, I started editing on Turkish Wikipedia. Since that time, I have made more than 5.000 edits and created dozens of articles on many different subjects. I also promoted [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club! three] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Schreck good] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig_Potthast articles], with [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemmersdorf_Katliam%C4%B1 another one] currently waiting at nomination. I even created some articles that were directly related to the Armenian Genocide (one of the grounds of my ban at that moment was that I tried to deny it), for example, one about [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermeni_K%C4%B1r%C4%B1m%C4%B1_terminolojisi its terminology]. My attitudes and the way I look at Wikipedia have widely changed since the date I was blocked, and I started using it to actually [[Wikipedia:NOTHERE|build an encyclopedia]]. I would be more than happy to return to English Wikipedia and this time start making constructive edits with the purpose of helping the spread of information, instead of trying to build a political agenda, and I appeal to your generosity about it. Thanks.--[[User:Saotura|Saotura]] ([[User talk:Saotura#top|talk]]) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=Greetings. In late 2020, I was site banned by the community after an argument on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The ground of my ban was that since I was trying to push a political agenda, I wasn't here for building an encyclopedia and some other things on the same path. Now, when I look back, even though I denied them at that moment, I accept most of these accusations. However, my point is not that my block was unjustified. In this period of time, I changed. I see how and why what I did was wrong. After being banned from English Wikipedia, I started editing on Turkish Wikipedia. Since that time, I have made more than 5.000 edits and created dozens of articles on many different subjects. I also promoted [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doki_Doki_Literature_Club! three] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Schreck good] [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig_Potthast articles], with [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemmersdorf_Katliam%C4%B1 another one] currently waiting at nomination. I even created some articles that were directly related to the Armenian Genocide (one of the grounds of my ban at that moment was that I tried to deny it), for example, one about [https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermeni_K%C4%B1r%C4%B1m%C4%B1_terminolojisi its terminology]. My attitudes and the way I look at Wikipedia have widely changed since the date I was blocked, and I started using it to actually [[Wikipedia:NOTHERE|build an encyclopedia]]. I would be more than happy to return to English Wikipedia and this time start making constructive edits with the purpose of helping the spread of information, instead of trying to build a political agenda, and I appeal to your generosity about it. Thanks.--[[User:Saotura|Saotura]] ([[User talk:Saotura#top|talk]]) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

Since you were site banned by the community, no administrator may unilaterally lift the block. Is this the statement that you would like transferred to WP:ANI? 331dot (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Thank you for taking care. Yes, this statement is fine.--Saotura (talk) 17:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Any administrator who wants to get into this might be interested in the discussion which lead to the block. The discussion is accessible here.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I have transferred the statement there. 331dot (talk) 17:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Hello, thank you for your review. I would be gratified if you could transfer these statements to the ANI page too. The reason why I didn't include the claims of anachronism at that moment was that I did not exactly understand what does that sentence want to mean, and therefore excluded it to not make any wrong translations or usage of words in the sentence. Exclusion of that sentence does not change the narrative and point of view of the article or give it a pro-Turkish base anyway. For the other deviation though, I am entirely at fault. I confused the meaning of the word ambiguous while writing that part of the article, and because of the affix un-, translated it as the opposite of what I thought was the meaning of ambiguous, therefore giving it the exact opposite meaning. Even though this obviously changes the narrative of that sentence, you would see that it wouldn't give the article, in general, an anti-Armenian or pro-Turkish narrative. If my purpose was to willingly write a biased article, I probably would do far more than just inverting that single word. I will be fixing the article in accordance right now.--Saotura (talk) 21:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Binksternet: Greetings. When I made those additions to the article (which was 5 months ago), Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922) article made no mention of criticism of McCarthys' book, and at that moment I did not encounter reliable sources' challenging of his numbers anywhere else, which, obviously exists. As you probably realized, I am making large additions to the article these days. My plan is to after finishing writing about the course of the war itself, add a section about atrocities committed by both sides, and write about all numbers of casualties suggested by different historians along with criticism of McCarthy. I used the book as a citation, after seeing the following sentence being quoted on a review of the book from it:

“ The Greek invasion of western Anatolia from 1919 to 1922 caused the death of approximately 640,000 Muslims ”

There indeed is confusion between Muslims and Turks, which I am willing to fix. The book only talks about massacres and other atrocities committed against Muslim civilians in the region by the Greek army and civilian fighters (Greek, Armenian, Circassian, etc.). It does not talk about other factors that could have caused excessive deaths of civilians, and therefore, I assumed that the number was meant to say number of civilians killed by occupation forces. Thank you.Saotura (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Binksternet (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: I feel like you would like to be notified too.Saotura (talk) 17:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)