Talk:Tornado outbreak and derecho of April 1–3, 2024

Suggestions for a few pictures…

There are some pictures from the NWS office in Charleston that shows the tornado damage. Definitely fits Wikipedia’s copyright guidelines because it is in the public domain. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I’ll also add that while very thoughtful on the editor’s part. Most of these pictures don’t really fit with what one would expect to find on a Wikipedia article about a tornado outbreak. And I think these pictures should be replaced with for example pictures of the damage caused by the tornadoes (or if we can find one, a picture of the tornado itself). But I will suggest to whoever put these pictures on here; that while Wikipedia is probably not the best place to put these. They’d be a perfect picture to put on Wikimedia Commons (that is literally the purpose of Commons is a free media repository). 108.147.10.55 (talk) 02:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

There are also pictures of the tornado damage on that damage assessment toolkit that at least one editor put a link to in the reference section. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Also PD like all other NOAA images I’ll add. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 20:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Yea, that's my bad. Most of the images (like the hail one) were the only images from the outbreak until a few days ago, and so I used what I could. Feel free to change them. MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

This article has some major issues

I guess whoever drafted the article probably drafted this before or during the outbreak; because a lot of the wording is present and sometimes even future tense.

That might have very well been a true statement on April 2nd when the outbreak was happening but it no longer is true now. ALL past and present tense wording needs to either be changed to past tense or be removed entirely. Remember, Wikipedia is NOT a newspaper. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I do agree with the people on the talk page of Tornadoes of 2024 who say that there shouldn’t be any drafting of an article of this nature until after the tornadoes are over and damage surveys start coming in. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes. My house was hit by a tornado in this outbreak at 4am on the second. The stonefort tornado. I was there. The first tornado of the day was NOT in Evansville. 157.185.115.191 (talk) 02:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, so the weird tense is because some kid made this article BEFORE the event even happened, based entirely on SPC outlooks and hype. He apparently had no idea that this isn't allowed. Gave him a real serious talking to and I can assure you he won't try anything like that again. The derecho element and sheer number of this event makes it notable though, even if underperformed in terms of intense, long-tracked tornadoes.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 11:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Yup, we had an entire 3-hour long talk about it. Like you said, the sheer numbers of tornadoes in the outbreak warrants an article. MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

It wasn’t a talk, more like you got properly chewed out for jumping the gun on article creation. Let that be a future lesson to you other kids out there! HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 07:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Jesus christ, we literally talked about you violating WP:NPA like 10 days ago. How many times will it take until you realize that age-based insults are a personal attack? MemeGod ._. (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop repeatedly accusing me of violating WP:NPA. Again, I have not and will not attack any user with abusive, defamatory, or derogatory phrases based on their background or views shared. I am rather constructively disagreeing with your views on severe weather topics, for what constitutes article or section creation for this project. Cheers! HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 23:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

"Kids", an age-based insult which falls under the criteria for WP:NPA. I'll stop bothering you about it, but just watch what you say in relation to age. Anyway, I'm glad we are good now. Thanks :) MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Derecho?

Description on the main Tornadoes of 2024 page says this event included a derecho. Shouldn't the title and contents of this article reflect that? TornadoInformation12 (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

There was a derecho. There were Severe Thunderstorm Warnings and/or Tornado Warnings from western Virginia all the way back to Missouri. But there were also over 80 twisters. So the tornado part should also be emphasized. Perhaps the article could say “Tornado Outbreak and Derecho of April 1-3, 2024”.

But remember; the derecho was the one that produced bunches of tornadoes; NOT the supercells that formed after the derecho. 108.147.10.55 (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok good to know. Traditionally, if a severe weather outbreak includes a derecho, it gets included in the title though, so I think we should move the page.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 05:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

When the article was moved into mainspace, it was a derecho name. This was undone though and moved to the current title roughly two hours after the move into mainspace. So technically, there is a dispute between editors now on whether this should be a derecho name or outbreak name. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I think we could compromise by including both names in the title. “April 2024 tornado outbreak and derecho” 2001:5B0:2363:34D8:3192:2BA3:D995:1F91 (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Follow up: the article name was changed to “Tornado outbreak and derecho of April 1-3, 2024” by TornadoInformation12 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:1C9B:A8:C166:4B14 (talk) 18:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Tornado sections

I think a couple tornadoes in this article could use separate sections. The Prospect, KY tornado description is 2,115 bytes long. The Conyers, GA tornado had a section, but was removed sometime when the article was being reworked. Meatballrunfatcat (talk) 21:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)