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@Fantastic Mr. Fox:, where does this source states that the attack in Moscow was carried out as a part of the Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus? By your logic, all activities of the IS-KP should be mentioned in this article? Nivzaq (talk) 16:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC) @Fantastic Mr. Fox: Provide any adequate argument if you have any or your edits must be reverted. Nivzaq (talk) 17:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source states about IS recruitment across Asia. There is a belief that the attack was designed to boost IS membership via a propaganda victory, which would lure people to Islamic State's many wings across the world including IS-Caucasus, helping it undermine Russia there as a whole. It is also stated on the Crocus Hall Attack article itself that the motive behind the attack included 'revenge' for the Chechen wars, which have links with the current insurgency. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About first argument on boosting IS membership and "undermining Russia as a whole" - That is really insufficient argument to include the attack with general goal of boosting IS membership which would also boost IS membership in Caucasian wing and undermine Russia there too, because this article is about very specific insurgency in North Caucasus. The provided article does not states anywhere that the attack was specifically carried out as a part of North Caucasian insurgency. The general reasons are irrelevant for the specific article. By that logic, almost any attack of IS-KP in Russia can be included in this article, which would be not be logical.

Second argument about Chechen wars - the information on the Crocus Hall Attack page about Chechen wars being a motive is unsourced, so it needs to be removed and can not serve as an argument here. Nivzaq (talk) 17:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :The source states about IS recruitment across Asia. There is a belief that the attack was designed to boost IS membership via a propaganda victory, which would lure people to Islamic State's many wings across the world including IS-Caucasus, helping it undermine Russia there as a whole. It is also stated on the Crocus Hall Attack article itself that the motive behind the attack included 'revenge' for the Chechen wars, which have links with the current insurgency. [[User:Fantastic Mr. Fox|Fantastic Mr. Fox]] ([[User talk:Fantastic Mr. Fox|talk]]) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
-::About first argument on boosting IS membership and "undermining Russia as a whole" - That is really insufficient argument to include the attack with general goal of undermining Russia in the article about very specific insurgency in North Caucasus. The provided article does not states anywhere that the attack was specifically carried out as a part of North Caucasian insurgency. The general reasons are irrelevant for the specific article. By that logic, almost any attack of IS-KP in Russia can be included in this article, which would be not be logical.
+::About first argument on boosting IS membership and "undermining Russia as a whole" - That is really insufficient argument to include the attack with general goal of boosting IS membership which would also boost IS membership in Caucasian wing and undermine Russia there too, because this article is about very specific insurgency in North Caucasus. The provided article does not states anywhere that the attack was specifically carried out as a part of North Caucasian insurgency. The general reasons are irrelevant for the specific article. By that logic, almost any attack of IS-KP in Russia can be included in this article, which would be not be logical.
 ::Second argument about Chechen wars - the information on the Crocus Hall Attack page about Chechen wars being a motive is unsourced, so it needs to be removed and can not serve as an argument here. [[User:Nivzaq|Nivzaq]] ([[User talk:Nivzaq|talk]]) 17:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)