User talk:Patman2648

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Robert Johnson

I don't see how saying Cream is Clapton's band suggests that Clapton owns the band any more than saying The Beatles are Ringo's band suggests that Ringo Starr owns The Beatles... but I don't wish to enter an edit war. Can I revert it? Flowerparty ^talk 23:51, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad we agree on the topic and have found a midway and I hope to conutinue a friendly relationship on Wikipedia with you becuase we are both helping the community and need not bicker over petty squables. Patman2648

Derek and the Dominos

Well thank you, I just decided to fix the picture when I came across it. Also I just created the Bobby Whitlock article, because I'm a big fan of Derek and the Dominos and all its members. So you should add some info to it, if you want. Private Butcher 23:24, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Layla album cover.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Layla album cover.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Redundant with Image:LaylaCover.jpg —jiy (talk) 01:24, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Fine with me, I only needed it for Derek & the Dominos but now that they have a replacement picture, i'm fine, delete it and thanks for the heads up! Patman2648

Image Tagging Image:Yardbirds including Clapton.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Yardbirds including Clapton.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, ie in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Secretlondon 22:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyright

Thank you for informing me about the copyright, I did some research on the issue and used the proper copyright tag and provided a link from where I got it originally. I have done this to the other previous images I've uploaded and will promise to do it in the future now that I've learned how to do it. You see, I've always wanted to add copyright but I didn't know where to get the template and what to say but with your help and a few hours online practicing I've got it down, thanks again! Patman2648 18:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

re: Humor on Kate's Tool

Replied here. --Blackcap | talk 03:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I hope you won't think so poorly of me in the future, I really am a nice wikipedian and I'm sorry if I annoyed you. Patman2648 18:10 27 October 2005

No, no, no. All's well, just a text-based misuderstanding. No worries at all :). I've replied here. Cheers, --Blackcap | talk 21:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote on my RFA

Now that the voting has officially closed, I would like to thank you very much for supporting my candidacy for adminstrator and as of 18:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC) I am an administrator. I will make sure to use the additional power judiciously and I welcome any comments you may have. --Reflex Reaction 19:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Edit count

Hi Patman,
I just saw your post on kate's talk page abt how to find out number of edits per article. I wrote a java code for that(which i can execute on my PC) but I have no idea of how to deploy it on the server. So i executed the code with your user name and here are the top ten articles to which u made your maximum edits.

• Derek and the Dominos (29 edits)
• The Yardbirds (16 edits)
• Eric Clapton (15 edits)
• User:Patman2648 (14 edits)
• Foreigner (band) (5 edits)
• Journey (band) 5 edits)
• User talk:Patman2648 (4 edits)
• Wednesday (4 edits)
• Robert Johnson (4 edits)
• Casey Jones(4 edits)
  actually i am serious case of editcountitis ;) happy edititng Gaurav1146 05:22, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Haukur's RFA

Thank you for supporting my nomination till the end. Specialist content editors are nice - but the hardworking spell-checkers are important too! :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 20:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on Advertising

The Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the Answers.com deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Wikipedia, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Wikipedia in the Wikipedia namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Wikipedia history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Wikipedia altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the Answers.com deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Wikipedia namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 00:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm an admin now!!

Thanks for voting on my RFA and helping me become an admin. The final tally was 108-0-1 (putting me on the WP:100 list. I hope to do my best in upholding the integrity of Wikipedia. Thanks again, Gator (talk) 13:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Stone Record Guide

I'm thinking about changing some of the edits you made back for a couple of reasons but I thought I'd ask you to consider my reasoning first since you seem to have put quite a bit of effort into these changes.

1. Some of the changes you made in switching sentences from present tense to past tense don't make sense. Here's an example:

The article as I altered it a few moths ago said

"The New Rolling Stone Record Guide is an update of 1979's The Rolling Stone Record Guide. Like the first edition, it was edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson. It includes contributions from 52 music critics and features chronological album listings under the name of each artist.

You changed it to

The New Rolling Stone Record Guide was an update of 1979's The Rolling Stone Record Guide. Like the first edition, it was edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson. It included contributions from 52 music critics and featured chronological album listings under the name of each artist.

The problem when you change 'is' to 'was' is that by shifting the verbs from the present active indicative into the preterite active indicative, you're saying that The New Rolling Stone Record Guide is no longer an update of 1979's The Rolling Stone Record Guide. You're saying that it was an update at a certain point of time in the past, but that it has stopped being an update in the present time. The condition in the past is a condition that has stopped when you use the preterite tense. But that's not true in this case. The second edition still is an update and it will always be an update of the first edition. Even though the first 3 editions of the guide are out of print and hard to find, they still are what they are. Describing them in the preterite tense means that they were something different in the past than they are now.

Similarly if you change includes to included you're saying that it stopped including contributions from 52 critics.

Likewise if you change features to featured you're saying that it no longer features chronological album listings. Maybe they switched to alphabetical listings when no one was looking - who knows?

Here's another way of thinking of it with some different examples.

Don is my father. // Don was my father.

If I say was in this case, that means that Don isn't my father any more--which doesn't make any sense. He'll always be my father. Even if he's dead.

Compare that with:

Don is acting like jerk. // Don was acting like a jerk.

If I say was in this case, that means he stopped acting like a jerk.

But in the description of these books, they've never stopped being updates of the original edition, they've never stopped including the number of reviewers they've included, and they've never stopped featuring the things they feature. They still exist in the present under the same metaphysical conditions they existed in when they were first published.

2. The other issue is with the descriptions of the ratings. The 'Table of Contents' and the 'Rating System' descriptions in the article are direct quotes from the different editions of this book - or at least they were till you changed them. I had been planning on coming back and making that more clear now that I've had more time to learn the footnoting system on Wikipedia, but I hadn't gotten around to it yet. This was either the first or the second article I created that style of footnote for and I've just recently been learning the new style so I was planning on going back and making all of those notes clearer. I just hadn't made it that far.

Some of the changes you made are ones that make sense and the changes to the rating system descriptions aren't bad either if you don't consider that you're changing direct quotes, so let me know what you think and I won't do any changes till I've had some time to hear back from you.

See you later, Will/Will1410 08:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I responded here and thank you for your detailed analysis which helped me better understand your point of view and have a great day! -- Patman2648 19:23 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Badfinger

Hi Patman. I am answering your comments regarding Badfinger and the $600,000 both here and on my talk page (in case you aren't monitoring it).

I can assure you that the Rolling Stone article is wrong. It is based on off-the-cuff comments by Joey Molland. I'm sure other articles referenced Rolling Stone, but they would be equally wrong. It is an error that is feeding on itself.

Biographer Dan Matovina and myself went through the lawsuit complaint by WB with a fine-tooth comb and there was never any claim about $600,000 missing from an account. What happened is that there were two escrow accounts set up by WB Publishing: Account 1 for $500,000, Account 2 for $100,000. The first account always had a correct balance in it, with deductions being made for two Badfinger albums. WB never complained about this account. The second account, however, was completely emptied - presumably by Stan Polley. Polley was allowed to make two deductions from the second escrow account, which should have left a balance of about $83,000. So, in a sense, WB wanted to know where the $83,000 went.

When the dust settled in the late 1970s, the courts found Polley owed WB something like $45,000(?) (I can't remember now how they came up with a lower figure. I think there may have been a further deduction allowed for Head First publishing). But it has been a blatant falsehood for decades when people claim Badfinger was ripped off for "millions of dollars." When properly calculated, all actual figures are far, far lower. ZincOrbie 15:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

What say we (one of you!) copy and paste the relevant threads into Talk:Badfinger so we can discuss it in one place. This is an article issue not a personal issue :-) Kent, do you have quotable sources for what you say? (e.g. published articles or books, court reports or records). --kingboyk 16:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Bulk discussion moved to Talk: Badfinger. ZincOrbie 17:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I gladly returned your comments here and here. I'm glad to here back from you and I look forward to hearing from you again. -- Patman2648 19:19 3 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Patman2648: Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. I hope I can perform at the standards expected for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodego talk 01:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

ProhibitOnions's RfA

Thank you, Patman2648!
	...for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 58/2/0. If you have any comments, or for some reason need any new-admin help, please let me know here. Regards, ProhibitOnions 22:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you! Hello Patman2648. Thank you for your support in my RfA! It passed with a final tally of 91/3/5. I am quite humbled and pleased by the community's show of confidence in me. If you need help or just want to talk, let me know. Cheers! -- Fang Aili 說せつ嗎?

Welcome to Esperanza!

Welcome, Patman2648, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

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Music Award

Have you seen these images?

• Maybe you should propose a topical or wikiproject star or award? evrik 14:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Before you start awarding the stars, I would post your ideas on the proposal page. evrik 14:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another RFA thank you note

Dear Patman, I appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Flonight RfA

Great articles FloNight and I hope to see you as an editor soon. Good luck

I think you mean 'admin'. - Richardcavell 05:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops, thanks! Late night edit mistakes. Patman2648 05:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I thanked you on the RFA page as well, I love editing wikipedia but I have to realize that doing it at 1 AM can lead to what you just saw. Thanks again Patman2648 05:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for voting on my RfA

Thanks so much for voting! Thanks so much for voting on my request for adminship. I have decided to withdraw my nomination as it seems that consensus will not be reached. If you voted in support, thanks for putting your trust in me to be a good admin. If you voted in opposition, thank you as well for your criticism as it will only help me be a better Wikipedian and perhaps help if/when I apply for adminship again sometime in the future.

--Mets501^{talk • contribs} 01:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

the current template

Hi Patman2648, the {{current}} template is normally used, perhaps counter intuitively, for articles that are receiving a spate of editing in response to suddenly getting a higher profile in the outside world in order to inform readers that they are unstable. It is not for every article dealing with a current event. Both Ituri conflict and Lord's Resistance Army get almost no editing attention and I have thus removed the template from these articles. Regards, BanyanTree 23:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Fine by me, they haven't been updated in months, thanks for notifying me, replied thoroughly here- Patman2648 02:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of religions once classed as cults...

Would you consider changing your vote to keep the information if it were merged with List of groups referred to as cults or expanded into a broader topic: "The Transition from Cult to Religion." That might make a very interesting wikipedia article. cairoi 15:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I have no problems with that and thank you for asking. - Patman2648 00:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you very much for the recognition. It has been very trying lately as a prominant user has informed us that the use of team logos on league pages and playoff charts is considered a copyright violation and the logos should be reserved for team articles or stubs. This has set back my goal of having complete historical W-L-T records for all important CDN junior leagues, as I have been stuck creating an excessive amount of stubs to save these logos. I take a great amount of pride in my work with the WP: Ice Hockey, and I feel priviledged that you noticed my efforts. Again, thank you. DMighton 05:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much from me also, for the wonderful "Music Barnstar". It made a very pleasant change to find it on my talk page this morning instead of the usual wiki politics and so on that comes from being an admin :) Very much appreciated, I can assure you. --kingboyk 11:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much from me too. That was quite a surprise, considering it was you who did all the work on those pages. Upon browsing your talk page, it's also clear to me that you have been putting much effort into wikipedia. Keep up the good work (if you don't need a vacation)! Alcuin 14:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar too :) You do make good articles, you know, we should collaborate sometimes. Michaelas10 09:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll give you a heads up next time I work on one and thank you for wikifairying Derek and the Dominos, I'm just praying it gets a good article status and then hopefully FA status. Thanks and talk to you soon . - Patman2648 20:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed I never thanked you for my barnstar. It is quite belated now, but thanks Patman. And while I am here visiting, perhaps you can stop by the Badfinger article again and help me out. I have a sincere (yet misguided) individual making a mess of things over there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ZincOrbie 01:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Hello Patman2648, and thanks for supporting me on my recent request for adminship! It has succeeded with an unanimous support of 67 votes, so that I am now an administrator. Please feel free to leave a note on my talk page should you wish to leave any comments or ask for any help. Again, thanks a lot, AndyZ t 21:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello, Patman2648, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! RadioKirk talk to me 05:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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My RFA

Thank you, Patman2648, for voting in my RFA. It closed with a final result of 75/1/0. Now that I am an administrator here, I will continue to improve this encyclopedia, using my new tools to revert vandalism, block persistent vandals, protect pages that have been vandalized intensively, and close AFD discussions. Any questions? Please contact me by adding a new section on my talk page. Again, thanks to all of you who participated!!! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup!

Thank you, Patman2648! Thank you for voting for my recent RfA, which passed (to my extreme surprise and shock) with a total tally of 66/15/2. For that, I would like to thank you and offer a helping hand in any admin-related tasks that may be required -- it's as simple as leaving a message on my talkpage. Thanks again! -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 22:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

EWS23's RfA

Hi Patrick! Thank you very much for your support of my request for adminship. I was glad to hear that you felt I had the necessary experience to handle the role. If you ever see something that I could be doing better, feel free to leave me a message. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 02:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Patman2648, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 20:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome!

Thanks for your kind note, Patman. Glad you're happy with my editing. Like PP&M, "I dig ... rock'n'roll music", so thanks for your efforts to put together excellent music articles! Twang 23:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Music

Hey. I'm doing a survey to find the most liked songs of all time. So far I have over 300 songs in the list. I was hoping that you would be willing to contribute your top ten. For more information and some of the minor rules check out my user page first. Rock on! RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 03:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Beck Image

The problem I have with the old image is that it does not fit well into the infobox that is being used on this article, and the more wide angle shot is better there, but if you insist I'll try and find a wide angle shot with more of his face in it.

• That image is alright, but I would rather have one of him with his guitar, like this one.

Thanks for the barnstar!

Woo hoo! I hope maintaining and participating in WikiProject Guitarists will be as much fun as it was putting it together. Let's get the word out! --Aguerriero (talk) 14:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Eric and Derek

Hi Patman - only just spotted yr query on my user page -- sorry -- havent checked Wiki in weeks. My recollection is that it was contained in an old R&R encyclopedia article (possibly the old NME Encyclopedia of Rock) but it's been years since I first read it. However I'm pretty certain of my recollection of the story -- i.e. the original name was to be Eric & The Dynamos, but the MC at their first(?) gig mispronounced it, hence "Derek ...".

Anyway, I'll do my best to track that down and get proper attribution ASAP. Cheers!

dunks58

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Wikipedia is in sore need of a policy regarding musical artists and groups. You've been active in this area in the past, and thus, we invite you participation here.

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The August 2006 issue of the WikiProject Guitarists newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Aguerriero (talk) 19:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Notice to Guitarist Project members

An Admin, unfamiliar with the project, has nominated our template-Template:Guitarist infobox-for deletion. I have added a vote to keep it...more would help. Anger22 12:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

tfd

See [1] -- it's very similar to the guitarist deletion episode. More help needed.

WoW

The work you have done is just great! Are you a Derek and the Dominos fan also? well anyway your article's are just excelent--Littlewing1 21:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic work. Meh, I wish I could be less lazy and create long and good quality articles. Michaelas10 08:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thank You!

No, thanks to you for the barnstar! If you have any other problem, just report it again and we will try to fix it as soon as possible. Thanks again! -- ReyBrujo 21:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

Unspecified source for Image:Jeff Beckb&w.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Jeff Beckb&w.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

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Please speedily delete, unneeded image which has incorrect tag. Thanks - Patman2648 22:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Would you be interested...

I have taken a look at your contributions, and I am quite impressed. Although you don't have a huge edit count, you've contributed a lot more to Wikipedia than several admins I've looked at. The sheer amount and quality of the content you've written amazes me. So, would you accept a nomination from me for adminship? -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 04:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear that's probably the most kind and wonderful gesture anyone could make towards me but I have to regretfully decline the nomination. I love wikipedia, the community and wonderful editors like you but I don't believe that I am not 100% prepared to be an administrator. Albeit I may have quality edits the quantity is most likely too small for many people to accept (even me) and I'm also not a very substantial vandal slayer sadly more of wikifairy (hehe) although I do plenty of vandal warnings and vandal removal. I really appreciate the nomination and would be extremely grateful if you would be willing to re-nominate me in several months preferably in January. Thank you again and best of luck! - Patman2648 07:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You bet, I'll keep an eye on you ;). -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 06:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Please provided detailed fair use rationale for each picture in Derek and the Dominos

I see you've done so for one picture already, but you or any other editor needs to provide detailed fair use rationale (see the first picture in the infobox) for each picture in the article, or the article must be removed from GA status. This was brought to my attention by another reviewer, so please, provide the rationale, because I would hate to see such a nice article be removed on mere technicalities. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 01:47, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I will provide fair use rationale as soon as possible. I was able to get one done before I went to bed last night around 2ish and today I was out of the house the entire day so I had no time to finish it. But I'll continue updating the pics. Thanks for the heads up and giving me enough time to complete the task. Thanks and best of luck! - Patman2648 02:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Guitarists Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006

The October 2006 issue of the WikiProject Guitarists newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Aguerriero (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks from StuffOfInterest

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which finished with a tally of 52/6/1 (~90%). It was an interesting process which gave me a chance to learn a bit about myself and about the community. My intention now is to slowly ease into using those additional buttons on my page. No use being over eager and mucking up the works. The support of all those who went over my record and/or rallied to my defense after the big oppose vote was instumental to the success of this review. Again, thank you! --StuffOfInterest 11:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		I SeadogPlease review me! award you Patman, the Original Barnstar. THank you for all your work on music related articles you are a very good Wikipedian. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for all you help.

You're welcome Patman, your work desererves many praises. The best I could do is give you a B-star for your gratitiude.-- Seadog  19:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

Program Feature: Admin Coaching (needs coaches!) Admin Coaching needs coaches!!! If you are an administrator, or even a generally experienced user, do consider signing up to be a coach. Admin Coaching, now being coordinated by HighwayCello, is a program for people who want help learning some of the more subtle aspects of Wikipedia policy and culture. People are matched with experienced users who are willing to offer coaching. The program is designed for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. What's New? The Tutorial Drive is a new Esperanza program! In an effort to make complicated processes on Wikipedia easier for everyone, Esperanza working to create and compile a list of tutorials about processes here on Wikipedia. Consider writing one! A discussion on how Esperanza relates to the encyclopedia has been started; please add your thoughts. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Image:Trans-trem.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Trans-trem.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

1. Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{Replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
2. On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Chowbok ☠ 21:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I added fair use rationale, one of the few images where I had forgot to, thank you for notifying me so that I could alleviate the situation. Thanks again. - Patman2648 22:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about the tag: a lot of people make that mistake. The thing is, though, that the fair use justifictaion isn't really relevant here; the point is that we could replace it with a free image. —Chowbok ☠ 04:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

A week ago I nominated myself, hoping to be able to help Wikipedia as an administrator as much as a WikiGnome. I am very glad many others shared my thoughts, including you. Thank you for your trust! Be sure I will use these tools to protect and prevent and not to harass or punish. Should you feel I am overreacting, pat me so that I can correct myself. Thanks again! And glad of being of help with the album templates! ReyBrujo 23:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich

Would you be interested in helping out atWikiProject Munich? And you don't have to know anything about Munich. Maybe you could help out on bringing Munich-related articles up to Wikipedia Policies and guidlines standards or maybe another area where you could help improve Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 23:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Music articles

I just saw that you're kind of interested in getting some of Claptons works like Blind faith and Derek and the Dominoes to better quality. If you need any help with those, just let me know and I'll see what I can do: if its editing or just voting aye. RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 23:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey Patman,

I just would like to thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship, which passed with a final tally of 54/13/11. I appreciate the trust expressed by members of the community, and will do my best to uphold it.

Naturally, I am still becoming accustomed to using the new tools, so if you have suggestions or feedback, or need anything please let me know. - Gilliam 21:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity

List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity: Please don't use "op.cit" in the references: someone may insert alphabetically in between, and the reference will be screwed up. Please fix your contribution. `'mikka 19:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:1915 Dance by Rodchenko.jpg

Hello, Patman2648. An automated process has found and removed a fair use image used in your userspace. The image (Image:1915 Dance by Rodchenko.jpg) was found at the following location: User talk:Patman2648. This image was removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image to replace it with. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 22:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:Yardbirds including Clapton.jpg

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Unspecified source for Image:Clapton is God Graffiti.jpg

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Happy Birthday!

The Wikipedia Birthday Committee is proud to wish you a very happy birthday. May all your wishes come true! Thank you for all of your contributions to this wonderful encyclopedia. Yours truly, Eddie 00:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

	Happy Birthday	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Patman2648 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!