User talk:AnmaFinotera

Source requests

Just wondering if you might have any (probably printed) sources for Excel Saga and Slayers.

For Excel Saga I'm especially looking for the date of the serialised debut. While Viz and Jason Thompson both claim it's 1997, I'm inclined to believe the unreliable sources that it's actually April 96. Naturally for the moment I've gone with Viz, but as the first published volume came out in the first half of 1997 and it's a monthly series, it's clearly wrong. However naturally any reception or media info would be quite useful to.

For Slayers it's a combination of media release information for the novels and manga, as well as reception information. I have an Animerica with character profiles and a general discussion of the series/ovas, but there should be a lot of Central Park Media ads and announcements to source release dates and such from. For reception, I'm looking for a more objective look at the series to counter Chris Beveridge's ridiculous assassination of the series to allow the construction of a balanced and neutral section.

Neither are especially important to do right now, but there is easily enough sources out there to get Slayers to a respectable condition with time. Actually while I'm here, could you do a reassessment of Excel Saga please? The assessment page isn't getting a lot of action these days, and the talk page says the only failure of the previous version was sourcing, which is now addressed. Thanks. Dandy Sephy (talk) 00:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure both are in the anime and manga encycs, and I think I remember having some Animerica issues covering Slayers. Let me check my logs on that :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, looked through both of those. The animerica I have with a feature is one of the issues i've listed on the magazine page. I'm wondering if any of your issues have release dates for the manga series. Dandy Sephy (talk) 02:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it started publishing in Young King Ours in September 1996, with the first volume released in April 1997. I suppose you could ask Carl Horn on excelsagaforum.com. He's on there from time to time. Grapeofdeath (talk) 01:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

While Carl Horn is clearly a reliable source, his postings on a forum are not. I'm aware it's the most likely correct date but it needs a printed or online source posted at a location that will pass as a reliable source. A forum reply won't cut it. Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Even if you dislike WP:SPS to the extent that you refuse to use the 'blogs, forums etc' it covers, why not just email Horn? I ask him stuff all the time, and he's always been remarkably responsive & helpful. Academics cite 'personal communication' without qualm, and if it's good enough for them (and our copyright clearances and all the other OTRS functions...), I think it's good enough for us. --Gwern (contribs) 13:34 28 January 2010 (GMT)

If you are going to try and make a point, don't get your facts wrong. I use SPS all the time, I just use reliable ones not random fanblogs.Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Because an email is an even less reliable source than a forum posting. Far better to find an actual reliable source instead, unless you're suggesting to email him to get pointed to such sources? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

An email is a perfectly reliable source. We accept emails for copyright licensing, we accept emails for complaints leading to things like OFFICE actions, we accept emails for confirming an editor is actually a notable - we accept emails for all the dangerous important stuff (which Excel Saga dates certainly aren't) that go through OTRS, academia uses emails & mail for anything & everything, and a fortiori we certainly will accept email for sourcing small details.

And yes, you could just ask whether he knows of any relevant sources or where to find one. Lord knows I've done that myself enough times. --Gwern (contribs) 14:35 28 January 2010 (GMT)

An email is not a reliable source for wikipedia, now matter how you try to reason it (it's come up before). Lets just leave it at that, I'm not getting into an argument with you about what a reliable source is. Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I didn't mean for this to start an argument. I just thought you could ask him which volume of Young King Ours it started it. Then you could track it down a copy and source the magazine itself. Grapeofdeath (talk) 09:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Unarchiving so as to not forget again :-P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:42, 2 January 2030 (UTC)

IRC?

I'm currently on #wikimedia on IRC as 'jps' to find out the guidelines for sponsoring development and extensions project. Can you join? 99.22.95.61 (talk) 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

No. I don't do IRC and I can't really help with the question anyway. I just know the post to Proposals did not appear to be on topic or appropriate. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me the reasons. You know that Wikiversity was created to house interactive content including quizzes, and that the Foundation sponsors some Mediawiki development, right? Can you please say which aspects seemed off-topic or inappropriate? 99.22.95.61 (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you propose an edited version which would be acceptable to you? 99.22.95.61 (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

hi

need a bit of help with a certain user. he constantly believes that I'm there to insult or harassing him when he really just doesn't understand. For one, i keep reverting PSUpedia because it's unstable wiki. But he claims that it is. And every time i leave a message at his talk page he threatens to report me>Bread Ninja (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I know this isn't your job, b ut you would be a great help.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

It fails WP:EL and there is no consensus to have it. You may want to ask an admin to have a word with him, as his threats and silly claims of harassment are uncivil, at best. For now, I've removed the link again and left him a warning for edit warring. I see you were already warned by HalfShadow for the same, so I won't repeat. When dealing with contentious editors, you have to try to be careful not to let them draw you into breaking 3RR, even when you are correct, as you will get punished the same as they (speaking from experience here). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

thank you very much.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

To be fair to Zhang He...

He did stop when I warned him he was edit-warring. HalfShadow 19:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw your note after I warned him. It seems like its been going on for days, though, with the EL just being the last issue of dispute. That isn't good for either of them nor the article. :( -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

the problem is that he doesn't want to listen to me, despite me following the rules. we had an edit war over the links of the characters. and i told him that making non player characters section is just trivia and should talk it over in the discussion page (i told him more than once) but he ignored me and took me personally. then he created a characters article which is just a table. i warned him on his talk page that if he doesn't add more than just a table, the article might get deleted. but he reverted my edit.it is really difficult to talk to this person by myself. also halfshadow, you came in late. edit war was over by the time you messaged me and him. so when you say he "stopped", he already had the last edit. not really stopped, he just didn't have a reason to edit anymore.

anyways.....collectonian, is it me, or do i remember WP:ELNO a little differently. I'm pretty sure we aren't suppose to use wikis at all due to being almost the same thing as wikipedia but with trivia and no sources. and substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors doesn't sound like something wikipedia would ask for in a external link.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Nope, we aren't. Almost all wikis fail WP:EL, however there are some folks who have begun arguing that having 4 users is "stability" and that 10 is "substantial". -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so sure what you mean by "nope, we aren't". but yeah, the whole 4 users 10, idea doesn't make sense. usually it takes a lot more than 10 users to be substantial. I wanted to go on WP:EL discussion to see if we can change consensus on it. you think it deserves change?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Figma wiki page

I noticed you've been reverting all my figma edits back to the original post. I've spent an entire day trying to fill the page with info that is both accurate and fairly detailed. I planned on adding more information in the morning, but my edits keep getting reverted back to the same information-less page.

I know the references are in Japanese, but that's only because figmas aren't sold in the United States so there isn't much info in English besides the official website which only lists the products. I know all this information to be true since I follow all updates about this product line and I own over 25 different figmas.

Since I'm new to wiki, I have no idea how to edit these pages correctly so if you could help me out rather than delete all of my hard work, that would be excellent. All I want to do is make this wikipedia page more accurate for anyone out there who might be interested and fill it with relevant information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hongkim (talk • contribs) 05:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for the publication of what you know. That is called original research and it has no place here. You added excessive, unsourced, and minutely detailed information that is not appropriate for inclusion. I have merged some of the content you added. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I added information about the built material and the joints, all of which can be found on the official blog in one of the references I had added. I want to post an image I got from the official website's concept page, but I'm not capable of doing so. The image can be found at http://www.figma.jp/concept/img/04.jpg. Also, I understand that the sources might be in Japanese, but they are legitimate. Also, the only reason why the edit summary wasn't detailed was because I didn't change it after noticing you had reverted it back the first time.

If you find my sources to be unreliable, I invite you to Google for more information on figmas and find out if my information is false or not. All information I have placed can be found on the official Japanese website which I referred to along with in the individual pages of the individual figmas found on the official English site. All information about build quality and joints can be found here http://www.figma.jp/concept/concept.html and further information about the flexible material used for clothing can be found on any figma's product page, such as this one http://www.goodsmile.info/product/en/2774/figma+Yui+Hirasawa+School+Uniform+ver.html where it states in the second bullet "A flexible plastic is used for areas such as the blazer and skirt, allowing proportions to be kept, without compromising posability." It also states that "Specifications Painted ABS&PVC posable figure,not to scale, approximately 135mm in height" further adding to the credibility of what I wrote about the build material.

I removed the extra information about the build quality of the accessories since it is extraneous. Also, I listed the correct Japanese spelling of the product and you reverted it back to the incorrect version. In Japan, Katakana is used for words that are Japanese pronunciations of English words, such as figma or computer. The Japanese spelling I listed is the Katakana version and can be found here http://www.figma.jp/concept/concept.html in the heading after figma. The spelling used in the previous post is the Hiragana spelling which is only used when spelling Japanese words.

I would add images of my own figmas if possible, but I'm not able to so nothing can be done about that. If this wiki page is considered for deletion just because you can't accept official website information as reliable sources, then that is unfair to those who have tried to make a wikipedia page about something they care about. You might as well leave this page up since it's not hurting anyone if it stays there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hongkim (talk • contribs) 06:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The company's name does not need a referene. STOP reverting to your bad version and work with the current one. You are continuing to readd tags that are not necessary and continuing to revert to bad formatting. Again, if you want to make corrections to the name, do it wiht the EXISTING article, not your overly detailed summary. Excessive detail on the joints and quality, from a blog, is not necessary. This article is up for deletion because no one but the company talks about it, and no, we do not just leave articles up because 20 fans like it (and that's about all that ever view it). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for somthing long ago

Hi there, my apologies for when I was, how should I say it, acting stupid with this [[1]]. I really was not thinking back then, and now know what a mess it was. PLease, forgive me for those actions.

With all due respect,

Buggie111 (talk) 13:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

No problems and glad to see you've registered :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Remember what you said about He-man

You may remember a few months ago we had a debate about overhauling He-man articles [2] well I took the decision to be bold and nominate a few articles for deletion see below if you wanna join in the debate be my guest.

Jitsu (Masters of the Universe), Ninjor (Masters of the Universe), Scare Glow, Clamp Champ, [[Gwildor]

Dwanyewest (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)