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CFD backlog

Hi Tim, If I remember rightly, you got me into closing CFDs, which led to my RfA, and here I am still! There is currently a backlog at WP:CFDAC, and we'd be glad of your help if you have the time. Kind regards – Fayenatic London 13:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Gaza conflict title

The "three month moratorium" was set to end a disruptive a move request that would revert the title to a previous one. I don't think the moratorium was intended to prevent the title from being changed to a new one. Considering that the article is a current event, changing the title so that it better reflects the current situation is important. Updatability is what sets Wikipedia apart from other encyclopedias. This is why I believe the move request at Talk:2014 Israel–Gaza conflict#Requested move should be allowed.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 04:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion moratoriums including that one are intended to prevent constant discussion of the title and proposed alternatives, not just a single option. This is especially the case with contentious subjects where either side will be back at the first opportunity. There is a MRV on the original move that could chose to relist if it finds the original finding needs revising but constant discussion on the title is not productive for the article. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Timrollpickering: I was thinking of putting in a move review request for 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, but the page says to first talk to the closer. So here goes. The original title of the page was "Operation Protective Edge" which dealt specifically with the events starting in July 2014. Since it was an Israeli military name, people were unhappy with it and tried to make it neutral. Unfortunately, the new name chosen (it is unclear if there was even consensus on it - there were two requests here and here in parallel) was overly broad (dealing with the whole of 2014) and has been creating all sorts of confusion since then. There have been at least 5 or 6 sections on the talk page just warring over the lead as to what it should include. See my summary of some of the attempts here. I believe there should be at least a move request allowed towards a neutral name, to make it clear that the page is just dealing with the post July section. Kingsindian (talk) 15:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

There's already been a move review of the decision that got it to the current title so it's as clear as anything can be that there was consensus for that. This whole topic area is frankly a mess that invariably gets out of control and where people keep coming back at the first opportunity so I'd rather not lift the moratorium unilaterally and set things off again. If an MRV wishes to overturn it and deal with that then fine. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

@Timrollpickering: Thanks, I did not know about the move review about the earlier move. If I want to make an appeal to lift the moratorium (because this is really becoming a pain in the neck), I should file a move review request? Kingsindian (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The name of the page was changed without a consensus. The IDF military name might be considered POV, but it is a well-defined name for a specific time frame. Whatever the new name is, it should reflect a specif time period, and not the whole year of conflict. There is nothing POV for using one side's name for the operation, there is no suggestion that the operation is good or bad in using its name. See Operation Barbarossa for example. Of course if there is any other official name given to the conflict by the Palestinians, it should be referenced equally in the article. - 188.4.42.170 (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Whether or not the article title change had consensus or not has already been subject to a review. Any further assertion of no consensus made here will be ignored. As for the substantial points about what the title should be, save them for any future move discussion rather than filling up a talkpage section that's about the temporary moratorium on endless RMs. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

@188.4.42.170: I have opened a move review for this. You might want to add your thoughts there. The link is in the section below. Kingsindian (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Move review for 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict

An editor has asked for a Move review of 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Kingsindian (talk) 19:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Alumni of the Royal Free and University College Medical School

Category:Alumni of the Royal Free and University College Medical School, which you created, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Alumni of the UCL Medical School. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Elections and Referendums article tagging

Hi Tim. Sorry to have to post directly on your talk page, but you may have noticed (on the WP:Elections and referendums talk page) that I am trying to get all the election and referendum articles tagged for the project. Unfortunately this is not making any progress, as people are claiming there is no consensus to do this, as no-one has responded on the Project talk page. Could you possibly comment on the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums#Bot to tag articles for the WikiProject, as I'm getting rather frustrated by the attitude of the people at WP:BTR. Cheers, Number 57 12:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Category: Woden/Wōden

Hi, I have undeleted Category:Woden and turned it into a redirect to Category:Wōden, which is what the filer actually requested (and is possible for people to type into the search box). I've also created Category:Odin as a redirect while I was at it, since that is a very likely search target. I'm not sure Wōden is the correct place for this category - if we're going to have an overarching category with a macron, it should logically be the reconstructed Wōdanaz rather than the Anglo-Saxon Wōden - and as such I wish I had seen the proposal, but I think what I've done at least fixes the search problem. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Yngvadottir: And I have fixed both pages. On categories the normal redirecting doesn't work, and instead the {{Category redirect}} template should be used. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thank you :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Category:Antisemitism (again)

Hey Tim! We really must stop meeting link this :) I'm not sure how long you've been with the project or how long you've been concerned with "ethno-religious topics" for lack of a better term but it was decided 6 or 7 years ago that Semites, and anti-Semites, and antisemitism, and antisemites, would be completely different things, well, sort of. (Palestinians are Semites, blah blah blah). As such I've reverted your edit[1] as there didn't seem to be any such "speedy" discussion. I hope I didn't screw up, but, either way, that ship has long since sailed. -- Kendrick7^talk 07:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

A speedy rename doesn't need discussion, just a notice with a valid reason and no objections. There was a move discussion on the main article which changed it to Anti-Semitism and the category is following accordingly. It was proposed and not opposed on the speedy rename page for 48 hours and then moved for processing but for some technical reason the rename bot took 12 hours to get round to doing it. Timrollpickering (talk) 07:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, OK, I didn't notice the main article had been renamed. I supported the hyphenated version back in the day, so I have no complaint. -- Kendrick7^talk 01:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)