Talk:Ottis Toole

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I don't believe one of the facts presented in this article is accurate. The article states that "Toole stated to many people that he had murdered Adam, he even wrote to his father and offered to show him where he buried the body for a cash reward." If I am not mistaken, didn't this offer turn out to be a hoax by someone falsely claiming to be Ottis Toole..

I agree, for example, almost everything said about his childhood sounded like random cliches from horror films. I suppose some "victims rights" advocate chose to make assumptions and put them on a wiki. How unoriginal. 68.107.196.211 21:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Nobody seen Death Diploma or his A&E biography on youtube ? It has ALOT of information on his early life. That his father left when he was really young, his mother claimed she couldn't handle him and he himself claimed in Death Diploma that his first job was being a street hustler, i'd do it myself by i really suck at writing/editing ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.22.94.128 (talk) 02:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

"In 1976, Toole met Henry Lee Lucas while working in a bakers asshole in Jacksonville". I doubt he met anyone in a bakers asshole. Please change this

There was a compelling piece this morning (March 29, 2010) on Miami public radio station WLRN, Miami, providing evidence that it was Jeffrey Dahmer not Toole who may have been responsible for Adam Walsh's murder. The evidence was in the form of anecdotes by several eye witnesses who saw Dahmer in close proximity to Walsh before his murder, even "looking over Adam's shoulder," as one witness stated. Combined with the fact of little or no actual police evidence other than the speculation that the crime was committed by Toole. The radio announcer said Walsh declined to comment, and presumably has not changed his mind that Toole was the murderer of his son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregory.george.lewis (talk • contribs) 13:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Biography

The first lines of the Biography section on this page need to be cleaned up and/or rewritten, as it looks like random trivia facts. Someone more familiar with editing this article should probably fix it up properly, as I know nothing about Ottis Toole. Kohkoa 04:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Place of birth

The article says that Toole was from Saskatchewan, but the summary says he was born in Jacksonville, Florida. I have corrected this. --The Four Deuces 23:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Park Journee Estep

Whats with Park Journee Estep being in this article? I read it over and it doesn't seem to mention Ottis Toole in any way so why is it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.196.188 (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree-- this section is extremely confusing! It seems to bring in Estep as a person accused of a crime for which Toole tried to take credit, but needs to be re-written to introduce that idea MUCH more clearly! The whole section is out of place as it is.

Agreed.I'm removing it.207.237.232.74 (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Gay or not?

This article claims that Toole was involved "romantically" with Henery Lee, however when you read the information provided by Wikipedia about Henry Lee it states NOTHING of the sort! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.139.216.187 (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I read in a book that they were romantic, I will get that book again and site it in the near future.--Billy Nair (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Henry Lee Lucas was bisexual and I read about how he and Ottis Toole were lovers and Toole was probably bisexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.62.230 (talk) 01:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Incredible statements need more reliable sources

The Whole article comes across as a tabloid piece and completely unbelievable... The statements about his grandmother being a "Satanist" who dug up bodies to use in rituals needs to be revised as well as any notions that he was "gay". Those portions cite an article written by a woman who is best known for her critique of Anne Rice Novels and the Horror Genre ( http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/about/authors/ramsland/index.html ). It has no credibility whatsoever. TruTV isn't even a real source, is it? Isn't it a hack-type tabloid show? Furthermore, Satanists don't ACTUALLY worship Satan... but that's another topic altogether. 98.211.129.152 (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Tru TV (nee CourtTV) is about as reliable as you'll find for criminal stories.  Randall Bart   Talk  07:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Crime Library is a reliable source; however, most of its articles have a bibliography, so information should be pulled from those sources, if possible. momoricks (make my day) 09:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

It's always better to go to primary sources. Unfortunately, the statements in these secondary/tertiary articles (some are nearly transcripts of the shows) don't have footnotes. The larger the bibliography, the harder it may be to hunt down a source. For any famous scandal there is at least one book that is complete crap. If a crap source appears in the bibliography (and that sometimes happens), then there is need for further review.  Randall Bart   Talk  00:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree... the trutv article is VERY poorly sourced, and it says that Toole and his wife spent three days together before the wife left. The Wiki article says that they divorced nine weeks after the marriage because Toole was gay. This inconsistency should be rectified. Either the trutv article contains wrong information and should be trusted as a source, or the marriage line from the Wiki article should be amended to match what the trutv article says. Either way, something's off, and this should be examined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.94.165 (talk) 05:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Today I have been hearing "Ottis" pronounced like "glottis". Isn't it pronounced like "Otis"?  Randall Bart   Talk  07:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

John Walsh says it like "glottis", so I shall defer to his expertise in this matter.  Randall Bart   Talk  23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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"Tool" in Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip'?

In Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip' there is a strongarm called "Tool". His name is Earl Edward O'Toole and is described to be almost exactly like Ottis. The names, Ottis Elwood Toole and Earl Edward O'Toole AKA "Tool", (Toole? anyone?), and the description are close enough to where someone could consider the character was based on Ottis. Is this something that should even be in this article? If not, it is here for people to read at and wonder. --Billy Nair (talk) 22:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

read the book "Bringing Adam Home" by Les Standiford. It explains why the HPD and the Walshes are sure/satisfied that the murder of Adam was indeed committed by Ottis Toole. In brief, the book pulls together evidence and eyewitness accounts as well as relates the many confessions to this crime that Ottis himself gave to various people, relatives, law enforcement, co-workers. The letter he sent to John Walsh, Adam's father was deemed not to be a hoax. KariE-R (talk) 02:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Removed speculation about IQ

The part about his IQ being higher, is purely speculative. There has never been any reasonable evidence to suggest his IQ was higher than what it was assessed at. Furthermore, the IQ of person who is heavily affected by multiple learning disabilities, is clearly less relevant. In other words, Ottis toole was functionally (via achievement) less capable than even his 75 IQ, would suggest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.88.228 (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Frieda Powell

Why is his niece not mentioned here? She is in the Henry Lee Lucas article. Shabeki (talk) 15:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Schizophrenia

Is it confirmed that Toole had schizophrenia. If yes, from where? Waterfiend (talk) 01:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)