Talk:Joker (2019 film)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

There is an overtly racist quote used in this article. It’s abhorrent and should be removed. It’s not cinematic analysis and it’s normalization threatens civility discourse and humanity. 2604:2000:80CA:2F00:8098:B88D:B237:4E6E (talk) 01:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DonQuixote (talk) 12:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Grammar

Unnecessary 'whom' in intro - "whom became..." should just be who became. 121.99.221.108 (talk) 05:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC) 18/07/2020

Done. DonQuixote (talk) 07:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

evaluation by the earned money is nonsensical

you have to adjust for inflation, the number of richer people and the population in general, the price of the ticket and availability — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.38.129.137 (talk) 16:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Joker (2019 film). The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Rusted AutoParts 02:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Picking this up for review. Will have my assessment ready tomorrow. Rusted AutoParts 02:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina: Tackle the points below and I'll be back to check progress within the week. Rusted AutoParts 21:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: As of August 29, I have finished all the requested improvements except the archiving references request, which I am currently working on. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 23:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• As a primary contributor to this article, I'm going to say what I said at my talk page: I don't think the article is ready for GA yet. There's still a lot of production information that's missing, there may be some unreliable sources cited, the post-release needs to be fleshed out, and some sections probably need some rewriting. JOEBRO64 00:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I've looked more at the article, and I think it actually needs a lot of work before it's GA-ready. IMO this nomination should be pulled. JOEBRO64 00:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

It's a bit late now to pull it, please feel free to make the edits you think need to be made. Rusted AutoParts 01:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: I have finished all the requested improvements. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 00:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm a bit stuck on how to proceed. @TheJoebro64: would you be willing to outline the issues you feel still need to be addressed? Rusted AutoParts 19:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Rusted AutoParts, it's basically all the refideas I'd added on the talk page. I'm extremely busy right now (my time to edit should open back up soon though), and looking over the article again I think it's probably fine for GA (I was probably a bit harsh above, it's just that if I had nominated it I probably would've done a lot more work). I had plans to eventually bring this to FAC so I can add the refideas once I have time. JOEBRO64 20:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

✓ Pass Rusted AutoParts 03:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Lead/Infobox

• No issues for Lead paragraph.
• Remove names after Frances Conroy in infobox's cast list. Those names are not included in the official billing block (Click credits at the bottom of the page if the link doesn't auto-show the block).

Plot

• Plot meets WP:FILMPLOT requirements.

Cast

• "Although Batman himself does not appear in Joker, it ends with the murder of Thomas and Martha, which in the comics inspires Bruce to take on the Batman persona.[34]" Not sure if this is needed information.

Production

• "Marc Maron, who had recently finished filming the third season of the web television series GLOW". His filming of GLOW should be deleted. It would've been of note if it affected his scheduling for the film, but it didn't.
• "Phillips confirmed he was in the process of editing Joker in March 2019.[88] At CinemaCon the following month, he stated the film was "still taking shape" and was difficult to discuss, as he hoped to maintain secrecy.[89] Phillips also stated that most reports surrounding the film were inaccurate, which he felt was because it is "an origin story about a character that doesn't have a definitive origin."[90]" There’s a bit of an overuse of "stated" here. For the third sentence about most reports put it to something like "Phillips also denied most reports surrounding the film"

Release

• Home media subsection would make more sense here than under Post-release.

Reception

• Looks good

Post-release

• Themes and analysis typically would have it's own section.
• With Home media and Theme and analysis being moved, Cultural impact becomes it's owns section.

Future

• Looks good

References

• Looks thoroughly archived, see if any other sources need archiving.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that President Donald Trump watched the 2019 film Joker with his friends and family at the White House and reportedly enjoyed it?

Improved to Good Article status by Some Dude From North Carolina (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC).

• Passes DYK check, article promoted to GA on September 2, 2020, hook properly cited and matches reference contents. --benlisquare_T•C•E 14:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

"failed standup comedian" isn't accurate

For most of the film he is not a standup comedian, and though he fails in many ways, it's ambiguous as to whether he is failing at standup.

He has some nervous difficulties on stage during his first booking which is beyond the normal range of cringe for a first-time standup comic, but not by all that much. The rest of the show may have been (and probably was) abysmal, but if it was, we are not shown. He leaves with his confidence squarely intact (delusional or not) and a bunch of media attention that seems like it would be sufficient to get him further gigs. He was not cast out and he has not given up. That isn't failure. In order to succeed at anything we first need to do it badly a few times. It's okay to do things badly. If you are bad at something, you can get better at it. It's important to have that internalized. I am worried that the people who perceive Arthur as having failed in standup do not get that stuff, and that would be no way to live, and they should try to cultivate more faith in themselves and others.

(related note, I was reading, recently, many non-western cultures seem to engage in very little deliberate teaching, and some of it (as well as personal experience) is sort of suggestive to me of an innate human tendency to underrate peoples' capacities to learn. I wonder what that's about. I might consider a theory that... our capacity to learn has recently grown faster than our social instincts about learning could keep up with it... but I don't like this theory.)

Why are people saying "failed"? Where did that come from? I think there was a joker comic where that was the case, but you know, that's its own thing. Myas012 (talk) 04:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2021

Plot summary currently reads: "... leaving swaths of the population disenfranchised and impoverished." The word "disenfranchised" means one has lost the right to vote. not that life is hard due to economic hardships. As such, the words "disenfranchised and" should be deleted leaving only "impoverished" in the referenced sentence. Mtbagg01 (talk) 21:14, 31 January 2021 (UTC)