User talk:MfactDr

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Archive it

@MfactDr: please do not delete the talk page as you did before. Once the discussion is done, you need to archive it. Please follow this link how to archive the talk page manually as well as automatically.

- Yitbe A-21 08:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia policy of Blanking before filling up my space with old discussion that I am aware of all of them. also see your talk page as you removed ongoing discussion here[1].MfactDr (talk) 03:10, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Though you can either accept or reject, I recommended you to archive the discussion. If I removed an "ongoing discussion", I did it not intentionally. Take in this way. - Yitbe ^A-21 07:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Burrayu Massacre

Hello, what happened in Burrayu was a massacre in which various communities belonging to the Southern Nations were killed, displaced and lost all of their lifes work, I am assuming you know this but want to conceal it. You constantly misuse citations, constantly delete my and other users edits pushing an ahistorical, revisionist version of events. Wikipedia is not the place to fight out your cyber Oromo nationalist agenda. I will be reporting you and will be CONSISTENTLY following up to ensure that you don't have the opportunity to falsify history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FightingEthiopianMisinfo (talk • contribs) 12:58, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

AsWikipedian, we cannot be nationalist, biased or remove sourced contents even-if don't agree with contents Please discuss with evidence. do not engage edit war.Please stop disruptive editing and vandalism by removing sourced encyclopaedic contents here [2]. Please do not falsify the source as you did here[3]. you should add the source instead of falsifying.MfactDr (talk) 03:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

There are countless accusations about you engaging in Oromo Nationalism via Wikipedia, you've just deleted your tracks but the internet is forever LOL! You cannot delete what you do not like, or rather what is inconvenient to your hyper nationalism/fascism. You make countless accusations against me but I cite and reference all of my edits. Unlike you, who engages in blatant cyber warfare and historical erasure. Again, you cannot write your opinion or what you wish happened, this is a communal digital archive lol. FightingEthiopianMisinfo (talk) 09:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss your concern about article you want to discuss. refer to my first remark.MfactDr (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

SPI

Hi MfactDr, I currently can't investigate the sockpuppetry claim – would you mind presenting some diffs of evidence at WP:SPI and notifying me of the investigation? I'll then have another look. Thank you very much in advance ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

ToBeFree thanks for quick response. Here User:FightingEthiopianMisinfo engaged deleting significant portion of contents. other editors reverted his/her work in just single day:

In Burayu massacre page:

• [4]
• [5]
• [6]
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• adding unrelibale youtube non-english as reference

Abebe Bikila page

• changing birth place without source

Amhara people page

• [[8]]
• evidently After changing Abebe bikila birth place and puting Abebe Bikila under notable Amhara page
• deletion of contents

Thanks MfactDr (talk) 23:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Hm. The ping didn't work, and I had asked for a report at WP:SPI, not here on this page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:15, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Genet, Ethiopia

Hello MfactDr,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Genet, Ethiopia for deletion in response to your request.

If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can edit the page and remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Xx236 (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes you can proceed to delete. because it's empty this name not related to any pages. thanks MfactDr (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Languages of Ethiopia

Honestly, don't you realize that the stuff you do makes Oromos look ridiculous by its sheer pettiness? Probably not what you want to accomplish. Why can't you reign in your nationalist feelings if they drive you to this kind of actions? Landroving Linguist (talk) 09:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi calm down and identify problem of my edit. abstain yourself from commenting your personal feeling about other editor. please discuss article problem of edit that your finding. Your message is not clear user Landroving Linguist. what do you mean:

1. "you do makes Oromos look ridiculous by its sheer pettiness". 2.Why can't you reign in your nationalist feelings if they drive you to this kind of actions?

Really are you here to attack personally as usual or discuss article problem that you are not agree with it? Are you here to discuss article I edit or want to discuss nationalist. You always matter takes some where else as predetermined. Please read my edit summary found out whether my edit was fallacious or not. my edit of Languages of Ethiopia is similar the table found in the List of ethnic groups in Ethiopia. if you want discuss my edit of article welcome. other wise you have no right attack me as I have evidence you attacked me previously as well for your misread. I will be report you soon. MfactDr (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

As Landroving Linguist engaged personal attacks and go beyond out of topic , please User:Eostrix join conversation and mediate .MfactDr (talk) 01:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Three quick observations here:

1. User:Landroving Linguist, please tone it down. Discuss content, not your opinions on MfactDr. See WP:AVOIDYOU.
2. User:MfactDr, LL makes a good point that population/census figures should all be aligned to the same source (the 2007 in this case?), as otherwise they will be inconsistent among themselves.
3. Both of you - why are you using a 2007 source for population / language use ? Maybe finding a more recent source will help? I see the CIA world factbook is also using 2007 for language, and has percentages, but is there nothing more recent?

--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 06:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear all. Thanks for your comments on my remark. Yes, I got carried away and assigned motives where I shouldn't. So let me explain. First, let me assure you that I consider MfactDr to be a good-faith editor whose goal it is to improve Wikipedia, and I observe him since he started contributing towards pages relating to Ethiopia some years back. He is willing to learn, and has taken some lessons to heart. That he edits with a strong Oromo nationalist perspective has never been denied by himself (even not now), and his edits make that abundantly clear. In the past I have repeatedly defended him against attacks by other users who called his edits vandalism, which they clearly are not. But once every few weeks MfactDr gets on a spree with doing reams of POV edits where he forgets everything he had learned before, and the object is usually to make the Oromo people, language and culture the shining center of the universe, usually at the expense of other peoples, languages and cultures of Ethiopia. So in the edit at hand it took the form of updating the Oromo language population figure by applying one source, so that it looks higher, and then to introduce another source to make the Amharic language population figures smaller. That's what I called petty and ridiculous, which I shouldn't have, so I now apologize for it.

As for the old sources: yes, 2007 is way too old, but regarding the population numbers of ethnic groups in Ethiopia it seems to be all that there is. That is the date of the publication of the last census, where respondents are asked about their ethnic identity and mother tongue. A new census was planned for 2020, but had to be postponed because of Covid. Until this is done we need to stick to the 2007 census, particularly for lists of ethnic groups, where the numbers should all come from the same source. It is possible to get more recent numbers for larger groups such as Amhara and Oromo, and these figures are used on pages where no comparison is intended. Ethnologue provides more recent numbers about languages, so they could be used on this page, but they don't provide any percentages, which would have to be taken out. Calculating percentages would amount to orginal research. Landroving Linguist (talk) 08:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Landroving Linguist, WP:CALC would apply to calculating percentages from absolute figures (assuming the source has absolute figures for all groups), so it would be permissible, not counting as original research.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 08:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I have not considered the calculation of percentages to be within WP:CALC, going by the examples given there: "Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." But I'm willing to accept this if this is the consensus. Another thing that I forgot to mention is that MfactDr introduced the census numbers of ethnic identity for Amharic into the page, as opposed to the numbers for speakers of the language. The two are not the same, particularly for a language like Amharic. Less people identify as Amharas than are speaking Amharic as a mother tongue. Landroving Linguist (talk) 08:29, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree, we have to be careful to use language figures and not ethnicity, particularly in countries with many ethnic groups, languages, and overlaps thereof.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 08:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Eostrix Thanks for participating in the discussion Really appreciate. Regarding your first remark. if you look carefully the sources in the lists speakers Except Amhara speakers sourced from 2007. you can see the differences in the Languages of Ethiopia § Languages. I agree all contents must have same consistency. this shows biased against other speakers except Amharic speakers as I am saying all-must have adherence to the same source since all coming from same country. Thanks MfactDr (talk) 03:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• User:Landroving Linguist should stop practice of responding accusation through abusive way by making a counter-accusation and raising a different issue to cover your personal attack like accusing me as nationalist without evidence. I am here to do right thing and questioning and raising an issue of inconsistency between contents and sources not make me nationalist either.

• Again questioning and updating according to 2007 not make me nationalist unless you have excessive negative attitudes and feelings toward particular people like you mentioned Oromo for example. Please don't go beyond the topic or discuss your personal feeling on here over and over. Please keep your negative feeling, unfair target and prejudice away from community based Wikipedia. Please stay within Wkipida rule. if I made mistakes or error raise the issue not your feeling.
• Back to the topic. Although the percentage coming from (CIA factbook) based on census 2007, the CIA world factbook not been there as the source. if it's based 2007, the number of population is incorrect as per this 2007 document. I agree number of speakers and ethnicity is different. where is this number come from as Oromo(24,930,424), Amhara(21,634,396), Somali(4,609,274)etc as contradict with source? As Chapter III PP-96-98, (Ethnic Group, Mother Tongue, Religion and Marital Status), Tables 3.1 show the total results of the 2007 Census on Ethnic Group, Mother Tongue, Religion and Marital Status. According this source total Amharic speaker in both urban and rural as 2007 Clearly stated as 19,878,199, Oromo speakers(25,363,756) , Somali speakers (4,586,876) so on. So now compare the number stated in the source. there is inconsistency between contents and sources.MfactDr (talk) 02:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Landroving Linguist as you said on edit summary "we need numbers from the same source. Other Wikipedia pages do not determine our correct handling of sources on this page" well despite your denial, the fact that language of Ethiopia pages uses 2007 census as main sources for all lists speakers except Amhara speakers. why all speakers not have the same sources? see Languages of Ethiopia § Languages.MfactDr (talk) 03:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Landroving Linguist you see your biased comment. The rest of all speakers had to have 2007 census where respondents are asked about their ethnic identity and mother tongue. except for Amharic sourced 2010 and 2016. why you are excessively discriminate other speakers?MfactDr (talk) 07:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I replaced the old source by the current Ethnologue. I hope that settles it. Landroving Linguist (talk) 07:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)