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Was Freud's idea originally called (in English) "madonna prostitute"? And don't many people call it "virgin whore"? And syndrome sometimes, instead of complex. Just mentioning it in case anyone wants to put the redirects in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.107.130 (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merged articles

I created the other article on the same topic at about the same time and don't see the merge as controversial so I'm going go ahead and do it right away. — mako 17:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Film Reference

Jean Eustache's 1973 film "La Maman et la putain", an artist's view on the subject under discussion. [[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex p14 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Psychology wrong?

I thought that the idea was that a sufferer wanted a wife just like his mother, but also wanted to avoid sex with his wife/mother surrogate. It does not relate to a distant mother at all - in fact the closer the man was/is to his mother, the more he might want his wife to be like her.

I do question the statement that the "sufferer is raised by a cold and distant mother. Such a man will often court women with qualities of his mother, hoping to fulfill a need for intimacy unmet in childhood". That is a contradiction - how can he want a cold and distant wife - just like his mother - because he need intimacy? I would have thought that the craving would be for a woman quiet unlike his mother!124.197.15.138 (talk) 20:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It surely means other qualities, e.g. appearance, likes, dislikes. 75.24.187.208 (talk) 17:41, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it does not even exist?

As a trusted bystander I have witnessed a textbook clear case of MWC, eventually after the divorce and her re-engaging another partner, the truth emerged. She had been way too much for her first partner to handle. Obviously he felt suffocated and had no choice to reject her eventually and go somewhere else. But admitting that is humiliating. The MWC explanation is so much more elegant.

How many more cases could have went like that, if not most/all of them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.200.246 (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion is particularly biased towards the wife, much like the feminist leanings in aspects of this article. Your example could just as easily have been a case of the male's misplaced chivalry or the female's hyperbole since - as you pointed out - the female admitting the problem was with her would be humiliating. It's entirely possible for someone with a close maternal relationship and a history of female bullying to develop a MWC. A couple's relationship can start on equal terms; actively sexual and adventurous, then the otherwise healthy male can gradually slide into impotence as the emotional connection deepens. Yes there are a lot of possible alternatives, but that doesn't simply mean the condition doesn't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:4806:3000:C0FC:CE8B:D25A:C01A (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup / split proposal

IMO this article could use some major cleanup. First of all, I think we should split this into one article for psychiatric disorder theorized by Freud (which doesn't seem to be in the DSM-IV, and, AFAIK, hasn't been classified as a disorder by mainstream psychiatry in over a generation) and the sociological / feminist / anthopological concept of a virgin-whore dichotomy. Here's a Google Scholar search link if anyone's interested. After the split, the article on the Freudian concept could use some more historical context (Was it ever in the DSM? If it was taken out, when and why? Was it replaced with other disorder classifications?). -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 09:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since the term Virgin–whore dichotomy is not actually used in the article, I cannot see how it is possible to split the article. If you have the material for another article then I suggest that you create that article and if required copy/move material from this article. Op47 (talk) 14:14, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is this article including?

Is this article also including the virgin–whore complex too? They seem similar to me. --MurderByDeadcopy^"bang!" 17:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline Personality Disorder

Why is Borderline Personality Disorder linked as relevant? Neither page mentions each other, and I know of no connection between the two (besides the fact that they are both concepts within psychology). 209.122.211.116 (talk) 13:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I found the revision it was added in: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex&diff=prev&oldid=563693311 209.122.211.116 (talk) 14:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible answer: BPD also includes a tendency to see relationship partners in extreme terms, as either all good or all bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C52:7A00:2A85:88C6:5D1A:1095:B22D (talk) 18:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

En dash versus hyphen

Both in this article and in this discussion there is an inconsistency as to whether to use an en dash, –, or a hyphen, -, to separate Madonna-whore. I believe the correct spelling is with a hyphen, because it links the two concepts. An en dash would be appropriate to indicate the range between two concepts, as in "from Madonna to whore", which is not what Freud was talking about. An em dash, —, also appears here and there in the article and is completely wrong. Annoyingly, I believe this will also affect the title of the article. Can we agree to use the hyphen consistently here? Kit Cloudkicker (talk) 15:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]