Talk:Joker (2019 film)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that President Donald Trump watched the 2019 film Joker with his friends and family at the White House and reportedly enjoyed it?

Improved to Good Article status by Some Dude From North Carolina (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC).

• Passes DYK check, article promoted to GA on September 2, 2020, hook properly cited and matches reference contents. --benlisquare_T•C•E 14:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

"failed standup comedian" isn't accurate

For most of the film he is not a standup comedian, and though he fails in many ways, it's ambiguous as to whether he is failing at standup.

He has some nervous difficulties on stage during his first booking which is beyond the normal range of cringe for a first-time standup comic, but not by all that much. The rest of the show may have been (and probably was) abysmal, but if it was, we are not shown. He leaves with his confidence squarely intact (delusional or not) and a bunch of media attention that seems like it would be sufficient to get him further gigs. He was not cast out and he has not given up. That isn't failure. In order to succeed at anything we first need to do it badly a few times. It's okay to do things badly. If you are bad at something, you can get better at it. It's important to have that internalized. I am worried that the people who perceive Arthur as having failed in standup do not get that stuff, and that would be no way to live, and they should try to cultivate more faith in themselves and others.

(related note, I was reading, recently, many non-western cultures seem to engage in very little deliberate teaching, and some of it (as well as personal experience) is sort of suggestive to me of an innate human tendency to underrate peoples' capacities to learn. I wonder what that's about. I might consider a theory that... our capacity to learn has recently grown faster than our social instincts about learning could keep up with it... but I don't like this theory.)

Why are people saying "failed"? Where did that come from? I think there was a joker comic where that was the case, but you know, that's its own thing. Myas012 (talk) 04:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

updated to an aspiring stand up comedian.Asr1014 (talk) 06:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Does this film count as a Batman film, in terms of Sub-Categories and what-not?

Yes this film is a DC film through and through, yes it's centered on Batman's nemesis more-so than any other film before it, but does it count as a Batman film itself, owing to the film's heavy use of the Wayne's as plot devices and the implication that Arthur Fleck may or may not, in fact, be Bruce Wayne's older half-brother? That, and the film employs many references to The Dark Knight Returns and Joker's arc in said story, only to segue to portraying Batman's origin story near the very end of the movie.Internet Informant (talk) 15:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Introducing some homage or Easter eggs in Joker

Well, I watched Joker (2019 film), and I wonder why there is not any place and section to show homage and easter eggs in Joker; it adapt many source from multiple film, Martin's and several batman films.

If you cannot make a place for show homages, how about this way? Now Joker article includes this news story, introducing some homage source, such as "bad day" sentence from Batman: The Killing Joke, officer Debra Kane's name, Zorro, The Gay Blade, bat pole, etc. And also, Werner's bro Korea demonstrated 11 easter eggs from previous batman film, mainly The Dark Knight: police car scene, 'freak' word.[4](Korean)

I do not think that all of them are must included in Joker. But, I guess, is it ok that Debra Kane the officer in 'cast' paragraph, and "bad day" sentence and TDK homage is described as notes in 'Writing' paragraph, like notes in 'plot' paragraph at MCU film articles? It do not harm any portion, just adding new neutral information; at least, in 'Writing' paragraph, TDK also is added as motive film. Reiro (talk) 16:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Lots of poorly written sentences, and some awful ones.

Sorry, I don't have the time or inclination to rewrite any of this myself. I hope it will catch the eye of an interested editor.

The poorly written sentences that I found were in the Design/Set section:

"...said he established the filming location of Gotham Square in Newark as a film set because there was still poverty."

"that it is a more realistic name in the real world."

"The theater scene displays posters of Zorro, The Gay Blade and Excalibur, commonly found visual elements in other media when the parents of Bruce Wayne are dead, including Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.; additionally, the poster of Arthur, released in 1981, noticed a specific period in this film."

"The norm "Super Rat" in radio broadcast referred to Ratcatcher, one of the Batman villains..."

"Pogo's Comedy Club where Arthur played stand-up show is named after stage name of John Wayne Gacy, being notorious as "killer clown"."

"The billboard written "Ace in the hole", located on behind of clowns in the last scene, was from a line of Joker in The Dark Knight; "

I would hope everything I have marked above with a bold effect is obviously wrong to those reading this.

This list above is not necessarily exhaustive: I suggest looking at who added/edited the sentences I identified, and reviewing all of their edits (at the very least, on this page).

Ed10101 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes. someone really needs to work on that section. 68.13.37.74 (talk) 02:16, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Wow, agreed. I came here to start a conversation on this. Lack of articles indicates probably written by a Chinese or Russian speaker and maybe translated. Anyone want to fix this????? Alexandermoir (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)