User talk:Imcdc

Request for Inputs

Dear Imcdc,

Hope you are well. I have been learning about Wiki edits on the fly and want to surely get more knowledge from an experienced editor such as yourself. In case of Primavera Capital Group page for edits in introduction - did I make any errors? since it was reverted.

The sentence correction was done since China/Chinese seems to be a bit over used in the introduction. Especially, since Hong Kong is a SAR of PRC (till 2047), so there should be some difference when mentioning firms with HQ in Hong Kong. The difference may be Suttle for the rest of the world but for Hongkongers like myself, these distinctions matter.

I hope you can consider that.

Also, may I add the words 'Envision Energy' is it's 'Notable Investments', since there are credible references, since that also seems reveted with intro edits. Thanks WorldPeace888 (talk) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@WorldPeace888 When dealing with company articles you may refer to WP:NCORP and WP:PROMO for guidance. Two things that will get a company article deleted is lack of notability and having a promotional of puffery tone. Even if a company and its sections are indeed notable with supported independent in-depth sources, we have to keep it neutral as per WP:NPOV. Your change was reverted as the tone was considered promotional.

As for the HK headquarters, that alone doesn't mean much. Firstly it is not totally clear if the HQ is actually in HK as some other websites state it is in Beijing. And another thing I have noticed especially when it comes to financial firms is the headquarters can change on a whim simply for tax purposes. It doesn't change where their main operational base or what they actually are. If Primavera decided to change their HQ to Cayman Islands tomorrow, that's not going to make it not Chinese. In this case, the firm mainly carries out its business in mainland China. They may claim to be more "global and international" and that they invest all across asia but that just comes across as more puffery if most of their work is done in China. In addition some of the references in the article like WSJ when talking about Primavera buying up US companies, they refer to it as a "Chinese firm based in Hong Kong" so even they see it as just another Chinese firm that just happens to be headquartered outside mainland China.

For intro, we already have 6 companies in the intro lead. Some may say that's already too much for an intro and begins to fall into namedropping. Any notable investments can be put in the list instead (best to be sourced). Ideally we only want to put the biggest and most notable (has a wiki article) ones. If people want to see their full portfolio, that's what the main website is for. Refer to WP:NOTDIRECTORY

- Imcdc Contact 12:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a ton Imcdc, really helpful.

1. Noted on your point of view that Primavera is a Chinese investment firm based in Hong Kong based on western media publications as ref & that most work does seem to be more China centric.

Also, understood on the language, will ensure it does not sound promotional for future edits.

As a learner on Wikipedia, if I keep the words 'Chinese investment firm in Hong Kong' constant (since your reasoning is valid); would it be ok to give it another shot to rephrase, since there is some repetition of information in intro & it does not read well.

Example: someone has added a sentence in the intro about HQ in Hong Kong (one liner 3rd para in intro) without any references. Wanted to remove that sentence and club it with the first para. Since, line 1 of the page already mentions that it is a HK based firm.

Since, you reverted the edits, want to ensure you are ok, if I can reedit (more like rephrase) it, if the meaning remains the same (i.e. Chinese firm based in HK etc). If not, it's ok.

2. Will not add Envision Energy to the intro, understand that will be too many names there. My point was, I had added it in 'Notable Investment' section, which is lower down on the page; which was reverted.

Also, I understand Wiki is not a directory but since someone has added a section on the page for 'Notable Investments', I believe it should have all the information. Specially since the company mentioned i.e. Envision Energy has a wikipage and was added with credible references (in the that section).

Thanks again for the feedback. Appreciate the great work you are doing on Wiki. Cheers WorldPeace888 (talk) 02:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

@WorldPeace888 You can send a proposed draft of wording. Envision Energy can be added to notable investment provided it has a reference attatched - Imcdc Contact 14:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Imcdc. Will add Envision Energy with a reference in Notable investment section.

For the intro para, below are the 2 options, please let me know which one is more suitable, will procced accordingly.

Option 1:

Primavera Capital Group (Primavera; Chinese: 春華はるか資本しほん集團しゅうだん; pinyin: Chūnhuá Zīběn Jítuán) is a Chinese investment firm with offices in Hong Kong, Beijing, Silicon Valley and Singapore. It is considered one of China's leading investment firms with notable investments in companies such as Alibaba, Ant Group, ByteDance, XPeng, Yum China and The Princeton Review.

In 2023, <this para remians untouched>

<One liner para 3 to be deleted>

OPTION 2:

Primavera Capital Group (Primavera; Chinese: 春華はるか資本しほん集團しゅうだん; pinyin: Chūnhuá Zīběn Jítuán) is a Chinese investment firm with offices in Hong Kong, Beijing, Silicon Valley and Singapore. The firm engages in private equity investments throughout the business life cycle which spans from early-stage venture funding to late-stage growth capital and comprehensive buyouts. Notable among its investments are well-established companies like Alibaba, Ant Group, ByteDance, XPeng, Yum China, and The Princeton Review.

In 2023, <this para remians untouched>

<One liner para 3 to be deleted> WorldPeace888 (talk) 05:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)