Talk:Atlantic City, New Jersey

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Former good articleAtlantic City, New Jersey was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
July 17, 2007Good article nomineeListed
September 21, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Addresses

Are the addresses and phone numbers necessary? It seems like excessive advertising. RickK 03:37 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)

why does everyone delete my things?
A fair question, Rick. I am always reluctant to take information that may be useful out, but perhaps there could simply be a link to apage called ... er ... Atlantic City casino resorts. Tannin 07:16, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I don't think it should be a separate Wikipage such as Atlantic City casino resorts because standing alone it does look like something that could be construde as commercial, Whereas if it is included as part of Atlantic City, New Jersey it does give more of a informational appearance. Of course this is just my opinion. I am open to hearing what everyone else has to say. Misterrick 07:35, 23 January, 2004 (UTC)
Hmm .. a fair point. On the other hand, it isn't really a good thing to have so much semi-commercial stuff in such a short article. Neither one seems ideal. I'm not too fussed either way, so by all means revert if you think it best. Oh, BTW, I see that two different sysops banned Mr Obscenity who was editing this entry earlier on. I fully support that, and would have blocked him myself except that the others beat me to it. Tannin 07:49, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I don't think we should have either phone numbers or addresses, but a list of the hotels/resorts themselves seems entirely appropriate (it is, after all, the major business of the city). The exlinks are appropriate and sufficient, I think. I agree with Misterrick that a separate page wouldn't be a good idea. The commercial bias of the article is clear, but the way to properly fix it is to add more (encyclopedic) information. Perhaps the page should be listed on "Pages Needing Attention", as there's probably quite a lot to say. -- Finlay McWalter 13:46, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'll say this: in it's present form, the page sucks. Don't just let it sit there festering, MR. If you don't like what I did to fix it, then do something to fix it yourself. Tannin

My personal opinion, Alot of Wikipedia pages go untouched for longer periods of time so I wouldn't say that they suck or are festering. Judge not lest ye be judged. Anyway, Do what you want at this point I am just getting a bit tired of arguing about this because in the end it's just going to get vandalized again by anonymous users or argued by registered users if it should contain information about the casinos or not. Misterrick 26 January, 2004, 11:00 (UTC)


I was born in Atlantic City. -- Ed Telerionus 6 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)

Bally's Grand / Bally's Nugget

There was an edit by User:66.83.87.66 in the Former, closed and never opened casino/resorts section which I reverted because they claim that when the Golden Nugget Atlantic City was purchased by Bally's the name was briefly changed to Bally's Nugget but changed again to Bally's Grand after Steve Wynn objected, This is absolutely not true, I've been following the gaming industry in Atlantic City since it's inception, I am also a long time casino chip collector and I've been collecting chips from every casino in Atlantic City since Resorts International opened in 1977 and there has never been a Bally's Nugget, Not even briefly. Misterrick 17:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Delaware Valley

I do not believe that Atlantic City is part of the Delaware Valley which is really only Southeastern Pennsylvania including Philadelphia, Wilmington, Delaware and Camden, Cherry Hill and Trenton in Southern New Jersey. I would think that because Atlantic City is further South that it would be considered more part of the Atlantic region of the state which would extend down to Cape May. So should this paragraph be re-edited? Misterrick 05:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Picture

I'm almost positive that the picture on the header is not Atlantic City.

  • I changed the picture, please let me know what you think Trevormartin227 14:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure if it matters but the picture does not show the Steel Pier but someone insists on putting Steel Pier down as one of the sites shown. I live in Atlantic City, I'm 110% sure that it is not the Steel Pier. It was once called Ocean One Mall and has been redone into The Pier. Steel Pier is farther down and has rides. - AC Resident 1:35 EST, 06 July 2006

Media outlets

I see there appears to be a minor edit conflict regarding whether Philadelphia media outlets should be included in the Atlantic City article. Instead of re-listing the Philadelphia stations here, I think it would make sense to indicate that media coverage of Atlantic City is generally included in the Philadelphia market, and to see the Philadelphia article for Philadelphia stations. In my experience, most Philadelphia broadcast stations cannot be received well in Atlantic City, if at all, without cable or satellite television. Accurizer 16:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to be in an edit war with an IP address user who has added every single media outlet that can possibly be received in AC. I have tried to trim down the list, particularly regarding non-local TV stations that can only be received via cable or satellite. But the IP address user has charged me with Vandalism, despite the fact that I clearly explained my edits. I guess there's always a first. We need to come to some policy as to what should be listed. I have no problem with the casino list; this is where they belong, and they're in AC. Non-local TV and rasio stations should be eliminated and listed where they are based. Alansohn 17:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a link, "See also: Television stations in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania". Hopefully this will address the anon's concerns. Accurizer 13:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

demographics

Why are the demographics so strange?--Capsela 14:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity with Senior Citizens

You should know that Atlantic City casinos is very popular with Senior Citizens, why didn't you put that in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.90.48.86 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you put it in the article? :) —chair lunch dinner™ talk 03:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul of the Casino Resorts and Former Casino Resorts sections

Please let me know what you think. I made it in to a more structure table format. Misterrick 23:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Friends?

In the Popular Culture section, it says the city is "often mentioned on Friends. I was a huge fan of Friends, and for some time, even the moderator of a Friends message board, and offhand, I can't recall even one episode in which the city was mentioned. The closest I can come up with is in the last three episodes of the fifth season, when Joey went to film a movie in the desert, and ended up having to get a job at Caesar's in Las Vegas. Can the author of this passage name the times when it was mentioned on that show? Nightscream 16:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


in season 5 (the one w/ the kips) monica and chandler go to ac for a weekend --when they change hotel rooms several times and then chandler watches a car chase on the hotel tv...

that is the only one off the top of my head--but i'm pretty sure ac is mentioned as a place the various characters have gone for similar weekend trips and such... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.167.238 (talk) 20:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by User:B64 and User:172.169.17.72

I have reverted the edits of these two users because there are some serious errors made.

1) The Borgata is technically owned by the Marina District Development Corporation. Not jointly with MGM Mirage because MDDC is 50% owned by MGM Mirage and 50% Boyd Gaming Corporation as a joint venture. This is per the New Jersey Casino Control Commission license.

2) I removed the Claridge name from the Bally's listing because it is part of Bally's not a separate entity. They use Bally's Atlantic City casino chips, tokens and TITOs on the tables and in the slot machines. I reinserted the footnote about Claridge now being part of Bally's.

3) I reinserted the (new) under the Hilton Hotel property to distinguish it from the former Hilton Atlantic City property which never opened due to their license application being denied by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission. I should point out that even though the casino never opened there were chips made for the old Hilton property before it was sold to Trump Casino Resorts who briefly used the chips on the table.

4) Please learn to frockin' spell! You didn't even get the Claridge name right.

Misterrick 04:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

demise

What is left unmentioned is that many smaller, less glamorous New Jersey beach towns survived and thrived in the post-WWII period. I know that Wildwood, Cape May, and other resorts continued to attract families from Philadelphia. Wildwood in particular was popular with Quebec visitors, to the point that during the 1970s it was common for businesses to accept Canadian currency. I'm basing this on personal experience, and of course what looks prosperous to a kid might have been a mere shadow of its former self and/or a facade maintained by struggling business owners, so I am reluctant to put this in the main line article. It does however seem to indicate that AC's demise was tied specifically to its former scale and expecatiations. Wildwood had few hotels over 2-3 stories, no real urban center, no history of pageants and presidents. Cape May has more history but it also never approached AC's glory. If I get time to research my theories and provide some quotable info from other sources, as opposed to 'original thinking' (which is anti-Wikipedia and is also, to be honest, laible to amny subjective flaws and false memories) I will try to update the article. Paulc206 18:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

monopoly

i think it should be noted that the board game, Monopoly, is based on these streets. -username222 3/25/07

already mentioned in the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulc206 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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I like that it goes deep into the history and current state of the city. I pass it.

Please address the image issues. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll now pass the article as it doesn't contain significant problems. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA delisted

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  • There is a lack of inline citations.
  • External links only belong in the external links section
  • There are too many stubby sections
  • The lists in the Planned casino/resorts, Sports, Notable residents and Popular culture references sections should be made into prose

Regards, Epbr123 16:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William Marsh's status as Mayor and as President of the City Council

Does anyone know if Mayor Marsh was required to resign from the City Council and as its President prior to his swearing-in as the new Mayor of Atlantic City? I want to know if his name should be removed from the list of council members. I don't think he can be the Mayor and a member of the City Council at the same time. Simon Bar Sinister 04:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Marsh remained active in his role as Council President... in fact, the Council President would HAVE to remain in his legislative position in order to continue to be eligible as the Acting-Mayor. Prosenberg80 (talk) 06:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)PRosenberg80[reply]

Boardwalk Hall

It should also be noted that Atlantic city is home to the worlds largest pipe organ, which is also the worlds largest and loudest musical instrument ever built. THe organ has over 33,000 pipes, each one of them sounds different, each one was built by hand. It is configured in a surround sound design in boardwalk hall. Its website is www.acchos.org and a photo set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossmcneillie/sets/72157602455998626/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.92 (talk) 14:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit by User:Simon Bar Sinister on 06-February-2008

I've made some minor edits, First I removed Paul Goldberg (Notable Resident List) because there are no active links indicating why he is a notable resident of Atlantic City, Until such references are provided to prove his importance to Atlantic City, Second I've removed Category:United States communities with African-American majority populations because no such category even exists on Wikipedia, It is a red link. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 06:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers

I recently removed the Courier-Post, the Philadelphia Daily News and The Philadelphia Inquirer from the list of Atlantic City newspapers. Although these newspapers may at times provide stories related to the shore areas in general, including but not limited to Atlantic City, they do not claim to be newspapers of these areas. The main page of the Courier-Post states "Burlington, Camden and Gloucester Counties news..." and the following link indicates the coverage areas of the Philadelphia Daily News and The Philadelphia Inquirer: [1] Subsequently, this information was restored to the article by another editor. However, based upon the above sources it appears the information should be removed. Any objections or comments? Accurizer (talk) 16:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boldly made changes after not hearing any objections or comments after 1 week. Please do not revert before discussing here. Accurizer (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Improper Move by User:Coolsprings

  • I wish to strongly protest and object to the improper move of the Atlantic City, New Jersey article to Atlantic City, first off User:Coolsprings did not open a discussion in the talk page so that users such as myself and other Wikipedians could come to a consensus if this page should be moved or not and second IMHO the Atlantic City page should be used as a disambiguation page since there is more then one Atlantic City. I'd like to request that User:Coolsprings' move be reverted until a decision on how this should handled is made. Rosie, Queen of Corona (talk) 01:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and moved it back, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements)#United States. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why was ===Former, closed, and canceled projects=== removed

It provided a significant look into the Atlantic gambling industry's past. Please explain why this should be stay removed otherwise I will restore it in full in 7 days. Dancing is Forbidden (talk) 21:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revenue table

Are all the values on the revenue table in thousands? It seems likely based on the text above, but if that is the case, the legend should be updated to reflect that. Or maybe the casino business is really not doing that well :P TheSix (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boardwalk Empire

Does it really deserve a whole section? It doesn't seem to add to the article at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.64.138 (talk) 00:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I believe that because Atlantic City has not had any other major significant relationship to modern pop culture, it warrants it's own section. Tallguy0187 (talk) 01:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Firefighters?

I severely doubt we need an entire section dedicated to the firefighters. Does anyone contest this?Tallguy0187 (talk) 02:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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