User talk:JzG

Note to admins reviewing any of my admin actions (expand to read).

I am often busy in that "real life" of which you may have read.

Blocks are the most serious things we can do: they prevent users from interacting with Wikipedia. Block reviews are urgent. Unless I say otherwise in the block message on the user's talk page, I am happy for any uninvolved admin to unblock a user I have blocked, provided that there is good evidence that the problem that caused the block will not be repeated. All I ask is that you leave a courtesy note here and/or on WP:ANI, and that you are open to re-blocking if I believe the problem is not resolved - in other words, you can undo the block, but if I strongly feel that the issue is still live, you re-block and we take it to the admin boards. The same applies in spades to blocks with talk page access revoked. You are free to restore talk page access of a user for whom I have revoked it, unless it's been imposed or restored following debate on the admin boards.

User:DGG also has my permission to undelete or unprotect any article I have deleted and/or salted, with the same request to leave a courtesy note, and I'll rarely complain if any uninvolved admin does this either, but there's usually much less urgency about an undeletion so I would prefer to discuss it first - or ask DGG, two heads are always better than one. I may well add others in time, DGG is just one person with whom I frequently interact whose judgment I trust implicitly.

Any WP:BLP issue which requires you to undo an admin action of mine, go right ahead, but please post it immediately on WP:AN or WP:ANI for review.

The usual definition of uninvolved applies: you're not currently in an argument with me, you're not part of the original dispute or an editor of the affected article... you know. Apply WP:CLUE. Guy (Help!) 20:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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About me

I am in my early fifties, British, have been married for over quarter of a century to the world's most tolerant woman, and have two adult children. I am an amateur baritone and professional nerd. I do not tolerate racism, or any kind of bigotry. I sometimes, to my chagrin, mention that I have been an admin for a long time: some people think this is me invoking admin status in order to subdue dissent, actually it's just me as a middle aged parent of young adults saying "oh no, not this shit again". I am British, I have the British sense of humour (correctly spelled) and I absolutely do not have an accent, since I went to a thousand-year-old school. Everything I do or say could be wrong. I try always to be open to that possibility. If you think I am wrong, please just talk to me nicely, and it can all be sorted out like grown-ups. Guy (Help!) 23:49, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Predatory open access publishing

These two publishers are on Beall's list, feel free to suggest others with DOI roots I can work on.

DOI 10.4172: OMICS Group
- esciencecentral.org
DOI 10.4236: Scientific Research Publishing (mainly done)
- scirp.org

Legobot undid your edit

Please see [1]. Thank you. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this is quite odd. Anyway, lack of consensus for the preciseness of change is evident per your evaluation (& inclusion of Palestine shall continue). Thanks.--Neve –selbert 10:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your close removed again. Neve-selbert (talk · contribs) thinks you closed Rfc with no consensus and not listing Palestine independently. Kindly clarify. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Spirit Ethanol: JzG noted that there is sufficient support for the retention of the inclusion of Palestine, and I fully agree and respect his meantime judgment.--Neve –selbert 11:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Listed independently, no consensus on inclusion as subentry to Israel. Looking forward to JzG's clarification. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Spirit Ethanol: This "subentry to Israel" nonsense is really getting a bit old now, so please have the courtesy to refrain from such unfounded spin. Besides, I got rid of the footnote you hated; surely, this must be some consolation? Per WP:3RR I shall leave your NPOV-breaching edit only for the time being.--Neve –selbert 11:32, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I quote JzG "First the easy bit: there is clear consensus that treating Palestine as a sub-state of Israel is simply wrong. It's separate or nothing." RfC result is list Palestine separately, and not a substate. Looking forward to JzG's clarification. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 11:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Spirit Ethanol: Um, I would refer you to WP:VOTE. Wikipedia is not a democracy, and the number of votes in favour of your motion is irrelevant. It is the strength of argument that duly counts. Indeed, I have rebutted every single mythological argument against the status quo. If you were to happen to read on, he then went on to add: "That depends on whether partially recognised states should be included or not, and opinion is divided."—hence your reverting of my revert of your revert was premature and wrong. He then went on to clearly state that "in the mean time there is I think sufficient support for the inclusion of Palestine pending that discussion", and that would be the status quo of yesterday. Please, kindly revert until you gain concrete consensus for a concrete alternative.--Neve –selbert 22:26, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RfC result is final, I refer you to In case it was not clear. Feel free to inquire with JzG over there if you have any doubts about the RfC result. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 22:31, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Spirit Ethanol: Yes, the Rfc result is final. I have replied to JzG on the section of the talk page of which you have referred me to. I agreed with the two points made by him. His evaluation did not however allow you free rein to implement your POV edits. It is due for a revert sooner or later as it is a blatant misinterpretation of the evaluation.--Neve –selbert 22:40, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Guy, I think your intention is entirely clear but still one person wants to argue. Please indicate whether this is a correct statement of your intention: "Palestine should not be shown on the list as an indented item beneath Israel". Thanks. Zero^talk 23:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, but I am indeed not the only person in favour of the status quo. Users Zoltan Bukovszky, Bogdan Uleia and GoodDay have also favoured the retention of the status quo. Please may I clarify, indenting Palestine underneath Israel simply demonstrates the lack of full independence the former has from the latter. A two-state solution does not exist, hence I support the retention of the status quo. Although, I should note, that there were in-fact a few other editors over at the Rfc that actually supported removing Palestine and other partially-recognised states altogether; I do not support this option. I have interpreted your evaluation as to keep the status quo retaining Palestine pending another discussion seeking local consensus (as the Rfc was originally launched without preceding discussion on the talk page) for further clarification. Thank-you.--Neve –selbert 00:29, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What part of "no" was not clear? Seriously? The one thing that is unambiguously established is that Palestine should not be indented under Israel in this table. Guy (Help!) 00:43, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We are referring to a list and not a table. Palestine lacks full sovereignty from Israel and is hence underneath the Israel entry. Local consensus was ignored prior to the Rfc, yet apparently SE can get away with this. The question of the Rfc was fundamentally whether or not Palestine should be considered as a sub-state of Israel. The answer was No and I agreed. But the premise of the question was wrong and inaccurate and hence the Rfc was entirely illegitimate. It should and must be appealed and repealed in due course. I shall be taking action against this extraordinary lack of judgment in the morning.--Neve –selbert 00:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have a great idea for you: stop wikilawyering and accept the consensus. Guy (Help!) 00:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid that the consensus was misled in a conniving manner. The premise of the Rfc question was 100% wrong.--Neve –selbert 01:09, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As an outsider to this dispute, that reads to me as "I did not get the result I wanted, so will carry on as if nothing happened". Guy (Help!) 11:28, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am also of the opinion that the way the RfC question was worded gave ample grounds for misunderstanding, and has quite probably influenced the outcome. Those of us who supported the indentation expressed clearly that we do not regard Palestine as a "sub-state" of Israel, and have no intention of expressing anything of the like. The indentation was meant to be the indication of the current situation (lack of complete, effective independence), consistent with how similar situations are depicted throughout the whole article. One editor opined during the debate that on closer inspection this solution is both clear and consistent. However, if the majority either disagrees with our opinion, or didn't really look into our reasons for doing it this way, then there's not much we can do. As a side note: if the majority of editors interprets the indentation as indicative of a "sub-state" status, that means that the depiction of other indented entities might also need to be reviewed (e.g. Guernsey and Jersey appear under the United Kingdom indented, while there are not even part of the UK, and Western Sahara, which also lacks complete independence, appears under Morocco, indented). ZBukov (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same applies. At what point was modern-day Palestine part of Israel, by the way? Other than through illegal occupation, that is. I am not an expert on this history of the region. I know it was part of Mandatory Palestine, part of which became Israel, but I don't know when the Gaza Strip, say, was ever a legitimate part of Israel. Guy (Help!) 20:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

theft? LOL

You used "infoboxen" <g>. Collect (talk) 17:21, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, the -en plural used to be very common on the uk.rec.cycling newsgroup back in the day, especially in the words of my lapsed e-chum Mr. Larrington. Guy (Help!) 17:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp

Looking at the DRV for User:Fullphill/Gemma Booth, someone raised the issue of User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp, which you deleted as a U5. It's not eligible for U5 because a) Draft articles aren't U5 eligible b) the article survived an MfD and thus U5 isn't applicable unless there is a newly discovered copyright violation. Given all that, would you mind restoring the draft? Hobit (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a draft, it's an abandoned user space page written by someone who has not edited in years. The determination of a small number of people to keep this cruft is utterly mystifying. Guy (Help!) 13:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, but I hope you'd agree it's not a U5 speedy candidate and so should be restored. IAR has it's time and place, but it's rarely applicable in speedy deletions and I don't see it fitting in this case. I can't see the material, so I could be off, but based on the MfD, it looks like people felt it was a draft. Even if it's not, the previous MfD means U5 can't be used. Hobit (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It always was a U5 candidate. Failure to tag it as such was an oversight by the person who MfD'd it, and the MfD arguments missed the fundamental policy issue that Wikipedia is not a repository for indefinite hosting of promotional content by editors who are not taking any active part in the project. Guy (Help!) 19:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's all well and good, but you can't speedy something under U5 that has survived a deletion discussion. Do you disagree with that (it's right in CSD)? Are you claiming IAR here? Something else? Hobit (talk) 20:39, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPA takes another trip to the WP:FORUMSHOP

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Claudioalv (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC). There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Claudioalv (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tell you what, why don't you go away permanently and take your spamming agenda with you? Guy (Help!) 19:37, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mucoid cap

Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Mucoid_cap and User_talk:Heelop#Blocked and User_talk:Heelop#Discretionary_sanctions -- Jytdog (talk) 23:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doc James took care of it. Jytdog (talk) 01:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest by User:JzG/Guy

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 08:56, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]