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Did you know... that Nancy Reagan was hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic?

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 05:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Nancy Reagan was hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic? Source: ["The lone telltale sign of the Reagans' occupancy is one that only someone with the deductive powers of a Sherlock Holmes might detect. The 8 in the street number sign 668 is much newer than the 6s. In the New Testament Book of Revelations, the number 666, the property`s original address, is associated with Satan. Mrs. Reagan is a superstitious person, as revelations about her White House dependence on astrology make clear. The address was changed at her behest to 668 on city records, though the post office still lists it as 666." https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1989-04-09-8904020835-story.html, Michael Killian, The Unretiring Reagans, 9 April 1989, The Chicago Tribune]
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Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 14:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/668 St. Cloud Road; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment: Might want to put everything from "Nancy Reagan" in the boldlink, to avoid an EGG problem. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you - I've changed it. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:15, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @No Swan So Fine: I think you may not have understood since nothing in the hook has changed. What leeky is referring to is MOS:SURPRISE. People clicking on "hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic" are reasonably going to expect the article on hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia, unless you include the rest of the hook as a bold link (see alt hook below). :3 F4U (they /it) 18:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that Nancy Reagan was hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic?

Best hook EVAR! DYKed day of posting, new enough, long enough, excellent cite quality, hook directly quoted, QPQ complete. Too bad we don't have an image for this, perhaps someone in the area can take one for us? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can this DYK be closed and moved to a preparation area? No Swan So Fine (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't "was" be in plain text? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed. :3 F4U (they /it) 12:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedom4U, Maury Markowitz, and No Swan So Fine: I want to get the opinion of @RoySmith: since none of the sources confirm that Nancy Reagan (NR) was hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic. A phobia is an Anxiety disorder defined more specifically as a type of mental disorder. Her aversion to the number 666 was based on religion and that may fit the definition of hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic. The sources specifically say "...avoid the "number of the beast." and In the New Testament Book of Revelations, the number 666. It certainly makes me click the way the hook is written, but I am concerned with the accuracy of it since sources do not use the term. Bruxton (talk) 16:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I was just fixing a minor grammar error, don't mind me :) I'll leave that up to Maury and Swan. :3 F4U (they /it) 16:03, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about all that other stuff, but the Chicago Tribune source certainly doesn't say anything about "hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic", so we shouldn't say that. It does however say, "a consortium of 18 friends", but the article says "twenty friends", so that needs to be resolved. RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did say I was gonna be uninvolved, but the LA Times did list this as an example of hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. :3 F4U (they /it) 16:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The LA Times is behind a paywall for me, but AGF. The 18 vs. 20 thing still needs fixing, though. RoySmith (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith and Freedom4U: Archived link for the LA Times. They do not say she had it they say: There are plenty of people who avoid the number 666. There’s even a phobia associated with it: hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. Seriously. (Fear of the number 13 is triskaidekaphobia, and fear of numbers in general is arithmophobia.). Bruxton (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruxton: I think that article is pretty clear about calling it an example of hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia, but if you need a source that's more clear. Newsweek also states this: Fear of 666, also known as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia, has even gripped the rich and famous. When Ronald and Nancy Reagan retired to Bel-Air, Calif., in 1989, they bought the house at 666 St. Cloud Road--and changed it to 668. [1] :3 F4U (they /it) 18:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedom4U: Good find, but I still have difficulty giving a person any sort of medical diagnosis like this based on a journalist's opinion. I hesitate to say someone who is religious and fearful of the number of the beast has a disorder. If I promote it it may end up at errors. So be ready to defend the diagnosis. Bruxton (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate this, and I am prepared to defend the retrospective diagnosis - which is intended in a light hearted manner. I think the change was probably more related to a chronic fear of bad publicity. The eminent theologian Timothy Beal said in his 2018 Princeton University Press book The Book of Revelation: A Biography of the Reagan's move that "In fact there is a name for this fear of the number 666: hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia ... This fear is indeed prevalent in our Revelation-infused Western society. Consider these hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic cases. In 1988 Ronald and Nancy Reagan left the White House and purchased a $2.5 million ranch house in the Bel-Air neighbourhood of Los Angeles whose address was 666 St. Cloud Road. Before moving in they had the address changed in city records to 668 on account of a mutual concern that it could be interpreted as a sign of association with Satan"[2]. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Past tense

This article uses past tense, and indeed a quick look at Google Maps reveals that no structure currently occupies the property. Is anyone able to provide information on when or why the site was razed? 97.102.30.205 (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source

1. 1998 The Fresno Bee. Bruxton (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]