Talk:Historic paint analysis

Report preparation

I removed the unsourced content below with this edit -- it reads like a proposal made to a potential client.

Following the microscopic investigation a report is written. There are a variety of report types. Some analysts simply summarize their findings and provide little or no discussion of the individual samples and provide only their conclusions regarding historic finishes. At the other end of the spectrum are those who provide not only a discussion of each, individual sample, but also Munsell colors for each layer of each sample. This enables the clients to reach their own conclusions. In many cases the clients have access to additional information such as the history of the building and its maintenance which is not available to the finishes analyst.

Some analysts also provide photomicroscopy as part of their reports. Photomicroscopy is the photography of the samples through the microscope. Its advantage is to illustrate the findings of the report. Disadvantages include color distortions created by the light source and photographic dyes and also the tendency for some clients to match the colors observed in the photographs, rather than those provided in the report itself.

Following the basic report, further research may be required. Typical research includes the following:

• Provision of color sheets of selected colors from the Munsell Color System.
• Matching of the Munsell colors to a paint manufacturer's system.
• Pigment testing, such as for lead content.
• Media testing, such as for linseed oil or latex.
• Testing of clear or translucent finishes such as varnishes and shellacs.
• Further investigation of decorative painting such as graining (imitating wood), marbelizing (imitating marble), stencilling, or murals.
• Consultation in the replication of historic finishes.

Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Copyvio

Potential copyvio -- please see Copyvio report. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The content has been present in our article since November 2007. The Wayback Machine has archived the potential source page on July 15, 2007, coming up with a 92.5 per cent overlap. So yeah, this is a copy vio, added on November 10, 2007. Has to stay out. — Diannaa (talk) 02:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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Structure

The structure needs some editing.

Introduction: More detail about what historical paint analysis is. Move “typical problems sentence” into a different sub section. Possibly add more detail in the introduction for clarity as to why historical paint analysis is important. Add a sentence to summarize each section. Add a clause that historical paint analysis is different from pigment analysis. (Is there another page for these topics related to artwork? Why is this page specific to buildings?)

History: Split up history and use cases. More information about the correlation of historical paint analysis and wallpaper. More information about the repercussions and effects of historical paint analysis. Microscopy sentence feels out of place. Split up the process of historic paint analysis (Three categories follow, sampling, analysis, interpretation.) Possibly add more history about the missing 30 years of information, or case studies outside of UK/US.

Laboratory Analysis: Needs more detail and split up into sampling, analysis, interpretation. Feels a bit too specific and needs the process to be generalized. Needs more imagery for information or more descriptive detail. Rename header: paint analysis methods, additional headers: sampling, analysis (sub headers: types of analysis), interpretation (Use cases & Implications). FiddleFig278 (talk) 01:31, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Add more Analytical technical history such as microchemical tests, fluorescence microscopy, SEM, and EDS.Put Colour matching from samples under the analysis subsection of data with another section for sample cases Dcornish21 (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

In the Introduction the sentence Typical problems encountered in historic paint analysis include such things as paint loss, surface deterioration, newer materials, substrates, delamination, media and pigment deterioration, and alligatoring. May need to be put into another section or we should elaborate on the introduction of historic paint analysis. Dcornish21 (talk) 01:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

After our discussion on Zoom and Google docs here is the possible new layout for the Historical Paint Analysis Wikipedia Page.
Introduction
History
Methods
Sampling
Analysis
Types of analysis
Interpretation
Use Cases
Considerations & Implications
References
Please let me know if we need to change the new layout of this page!Dcornish21 (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

The introduction needs to be more specific in defining the term "Historical Paint Analysis" and describe why the term appears so narrowly focused on recent historical architecture. It would be helpful to explain why the page draws a distinction between the recent past and ancient historic sites, and why it is exclusive to architecture surfaces at the expense of the fine arts and crafts, such as wall and mural painting or painted three-dimensional objects such as pottery. The narrative should be expanded to include a more global perspective, and briefly reference the socio-cultural-economic circumstances under which the global development of paint evolved.

The flow of the text to follow should be broken out sequentially to include a major heading entitled "METHODOLOGY: with the following subheadings: 1) Sampling methods; 2) Laboratory analysis, and 3) Interpretation of data. Th

Optics and Visual Perception might also be included in the description of analysis and/or interpretation, and each section should include hyperlinks to relevant pages and include visual references such as video and imagery wherever possible so that the reader has a better understanding of the narrative.

The page should conclude with a section entitled CASE STUDIES, to be followed with CONSIDERATIONS AND INTERPRETATION, describing the use of historic paint analysis in industry (historic preservation, cultural heritage, and museology, period rooms, etc.). §02:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)02:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)~~

References

Adding some references for more detail

I found an article about paint analysis on the temples of pompeii which could be interesting for a broader case study on the use cases of historical paint analysis.

Piovesan, Rebecca et al. “The Temple of Venus (Pompeii): a Study of the Pigments and Painting Techniques.” Journal of Archaeological Science 38.10 (2011): 2633–2643. Web. FiddleFig278 (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Sourse for the implications of historic paint analysis
Harroun, S & Bergman, J & Jablonski, E & Brosseau, C. (2011). Surface-enhanced Raman spectroscopy analysis of house paint and wallpaper samples from an 18th century historic property. The Analyst. 136. 3453-60. 10.1039/c0an00832j. FiddleFig278 (talk) 01:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Elisa,

Here are a few sources that I think will enhance the Methods and Analysis Sections:

Patrick Baty (1995) The Role of Paint Analysis in the Historic Interior, Journal of Architectural Conservation, 1:1, 27-37, DOI: 10.1080/13556207.1995.10785124

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Sara B. Chase"(n.d) Painting Historic Interiors Retrieved from https://www.nps.gov/tps/how-to-preserve/briefs/28-painting-interiors.htm#investige

DOROTHY S. KROTZER Architectural Finishes: Research and Analysis. I sent the pdf but I need to upload to this thread!

http://cameo.mfa.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://harvardartmuseums.org/exhibitions/4768/mark-rothkos-harvard-murals

https://www.colonialwilliamsburg.org/trend-tradition-magazine/summer-2016/paint-town/

Tate. (n.d.). Contemporary Art Research: Modern paints – project. Tate. Retrieved February 22, 2022, from https://www.tate.org.uk/about-us/projects/contemporary-art-research

In situ noninvasive Raman microspectroscopic investigation of polychrome plasterworks in the Alhambra

Ana Dominguez-Vidal, Maria Jose de la Torre-Lopez, Ramon Rubio-Domene and Maria Jose Ayora-Cañada

Analyst, 2012, 137, 5763

Schellmann, Nanke C. (2013).The characterization of Asian lacquer coatings with optical microscopy and histochemical staining methods. Getty Conservation Institute. Dcornish21 (talk) 02:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Deena's References

Baty, P. (1995). The Role of Paint Analysis in the Historic Interior in The Journal of Architectural Conservation,. March 1995: 27-37. (Source: Academia.edu, retrieved on 10 Apri, 2022).

Baty, P. (1996). To Scrape or Not to Scrape, in Traditioanl Paint News, No. 2, 1996). (Source: Academia.edu retrieved on 17 April 2022)/

Buck, S.L. (February 19, 2008). Eppington Interior Paint Analysis Pase II. Cross-section Paint Microscopy Report, Interior Paint Investigation Has II. Eppington, Chesterfield County, VA. (Source Academia.edu, retrieved on 15 April 2022).

Clark, K. and the Historicail Analysis and Research Team (2001). Informed Conservation: Understanding historic buildings and their landcapes for conservation. Christopher Catlina, Editor. English Heritage, London, England.

Gunther, S. and Maria Hoijer (n.d.). Gunnebo House: historic interiors research for the conservation of architectural paint through am international, interdisciplinary collaboration following proposed architectural paint reseach standards. (Source: Academia.edu, 10 April 2022.)

Koldewij, E.F. (n.d.) Architectural paint research: an important tool for understanding hisstoric buildings and their interiors.

Krotzer, D. (2008.) Architectural Finishes: Research and Analysis, in Practice Points, No. 6. The Association for Preservation Technology International, Springfield, Ilonois. Originally published in 2008 by the Association for Preservation Technology International. This Practice Point originally appeared in Vol. XXXIX, No. 2-3, of the APT Bulletin, The Journal of Preservation Technology.

National Park Service (n.d.). Painting Historic Interiors, https://www.nps.gov/tps/how-to-preserve/briefs/28-painting-interiors.htm, retrieved on 22 April 2022.

Moffitt, K. (June 25, 2021). What Can Paint Analysis Tell Us About the Bray School? colonialwillimasburg.org, https://www.colonialwilliamsburg.org/learn/deep-dives/what-can-paint-analysis-tell-us-about-bray-school/ retrieved on 27 April 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbdeutsch (talk • contribs) 02:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC) Dcornish21 (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)