Talk:Mariéme Jamme

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The biography reported on this page does not correspond to an interview released to CNN in 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.123.33 (talk) 11:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Comments by Mjamme (July 2020)

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• • Dear Editors and community,

Thank you so much for editing my page. This page has been changed, edited, so many times by people who don't know me or my story. I am the person that this page is about. This is not a marketing or promotional page. I am an editor and contributor to the tech community and Wikipedia understands the ethics and the rules but some of the articles posted where misrepresented me.

Kindly help me correct some of the misinformation/misrepresentations on the page. This is my personal website: https://mariemejamme.com/about-me/ Thank you for your kind support. Happy to jump on a call for any clarification needed.

I also would like to have the page locked for vandalism reasons. I am writing my first book to share my story, I have been through a lot in my life and must be protected.

Thank you for your understanding.

Mjamme (talk) 12:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Please feel free to point out specific parts of the article that you think are misinformation, and explain why the information should be considered to be wrong. Generic innuendo is not helpful.

Note that Wikipedia articles should be written based on by independent reliable sources (rather than personal knowledge about an article's subject). Self-published sources such as an article subject's web page should usually be avoided. This is a general policy, but it is especially important in case of article subjects who have previously made apparently contradictory claims about their life to the media.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 08:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hello there.

The entire page is wrong, my career and my early life. I don't think I have had a career but the more accurate word is a Biography. I would prefer that my bio is taken from my own website. www.mariemejamme.com I am writing my book to tell my story.

I hope you can help me change the page, if not please delete my page. I love Wikipedia but this page does not represent me or my work.

I was invited by CNN in 2012 to talk about the Diaspora, living in the UK. I was trying to explain how the Senegalese class system has failed me. I tried to explain the situation about my mother (born from an aristocrat family in Senegal, died in January 2019) and the Father (I never knew). The moment was stressful. Time was short and I could not explain all the details.

I could not explain my life entire story. I never said I got an MBA, I was studying at the University of Surrey to improve my english and writing and got some personal problems. I was speaking english with the French Journalist, she translated the article and mispresented my words.

The Italian Journalist from Republica misrepresented me, I actually sat with her, got her coffee. I was sad to read that I terminated the interview. She pushed me that day. She was harassing me daily... Here is her message: <Hello Marieme, this is Rosita Rijtano from the Italian newspaper La Repubblica and I would love to interview you. Do you have half an hour to dedicate me after 5 pm, please? This interview is very important for me and the newspaper :) >

I gave her plenty of time. This was in Barcelona at MWC where my Foundation was featured. I work with Refugees and marginalised girls. She never asked about the CNN Interview (that is false).

.....>>In a 2019 interview, Italian newspaper La Repubblica raised these discrepancies, however Jamme terminated the interview and did not comment.[11] La Repubblica commented that she had a personal history that is "as romantic as it is dubious".[11] >>>

Mjamme (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

The opening of the page is aimed to discredit my decades of work. I would appreciate if this is changed. It hurt and it's false. Mjamme (talk) 09:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

A few corrections

Hello, all. In an attempt to reconcile some of the issues raised in the template and make this article more accurate, I'll be editing this article in the coming 48 hours, adding a few corrections and updates to the text. The corrections are based on extensive research and a personal interview with subject of the article, which included receiving access to her personal archive. If there is any change that you believe is incorrect, please let me know. I've made an effort to include as many references as possible, but some online sources are simply incorrect and it could be that I might have missed something. Best, Shani Evenstein. (talk) 12:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shani, looking forward to your improvements, but please be aware that Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources only. Personal communications with the article subject may be useful as background information, but the information in the article must not rely on them. This is especially important in case of people who have made contradictory claims about their life in the past.

Also, we cannot base content decisions on unsubstantiated "fake news" type accusations against reliable sources. (If you are engaging in deeper journalistic research about the matter, which could of course be a valuable endeavour even if the result can't be cited in this Wikipedia article, I would suggest to also hear the other side. E.g. ask Rosita Rijtano from La Repubblica about the allegations that she had engaged in harassment against Mariéme Jamme or misrepresented what happened at their interview, and ask Sabine Cessou from RFI about the allegation that she mistranslated what Mariéme Jamme said about an MBA.)

Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks much, HaeB. I'm well aware. I am in the middle of rewriting the early life section, which is full of mistakes, and referencing everything is my main concern, especially as there are conflicting and inaccurate information already published online. I have delved into the two instances you mentioned, and others, trying to reconcile the information. The complexity here stems only from the fact that there have been misinformation already published by various sources. For instance, Rosita, who wrote the notorious article for La Republica, no longer works for them, but I have seen a correspondence with her where she admitted that some of what was reported was indeed not true, that she meant no harm and there's nothing she can do about it now. As for Radio France, lots of mistakes there, like Jamme having an MBA (she doesn't), or working in places where she did not. There are even mistakes in the CNN interview. This actually does not surprise me. I have experienced first hand how the media can mis-present what was said in an interview or even report inaccurate details or even things that were not said. For many of them, they are doing you a favor for even writing about you and not necessarily care of presenting the absolute truth, but rather about what would sell more. This becomes even more apparent when the interviewee does not speak the native language. But putting all that aside, I have to say I do not believe contacting the reporters years later will be helpful. Even if I do and they tell me their side, I cannot quote them on it, nor can they change the fact that it was published and have been online all this time. So I still need to find a way to convey the accurate details, as I heard them from Jamme herself, and reconcile them with what is already online. The only solution I have right now, is to clearly state that there have been conflicting and sometimes erroneous reports online (adding all the references of course), and then state what Jamme's version is, linking to her own website as a reference. If there is any other technique you believe would be helpful here, please let me know. In short, I'll do my best and hope you can assist me when I'm done reviewing and making sure everything makes sense. Thanks again for all your help and for caring this is done right. That's certainly my goal here. Best, Shani Evenstein. (talk) 22:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi all, just a quick update that I've paused working on this due to COVID quarantine in Israel. Will resume work as quarantine is lifted. Best, Shani Evenstein. (talk) 21:46, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Sources list: MBA and higher education

In light of the discussion above, I thought it would be useful to compile potential sources for various parts of the article, to help navigate the complex and rather confusing reference situation. (Some of these are already being used in the article. I'm including some self-published ones or others that quote Jamme directly - although, as mentioned, independent third-party publications are preferable.)

I'm starting below with a list focused on statements about Jamme's MBA degree and her higher education in general.

Quote	date	source
"I am now a fully MBA graduate- so Proud, all that hard work."	18 August 2008	@mjamme on Twitter
"Mariéme grew up and studied in Lyon, in Paris, in the US, in Japan and in Guildford, Surrey where she recently had an MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development"	February 2, 2009	Who is Mariéme Jamme? (Neo Consciousness blog)
"As well as gaining an MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development, I have studied in Paris, Lyon and in the UK."	2009/2010	"About Mariéme Jamme - founder of iConscience™", iconscience.co.uk
"She studied in Lyon, in Paris, in Philadelphia, in Japan and in Guildford Surrey where she recently had an MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development"	2009-2010	mariemejamme.com/about-me/
"Experience: [...] MBA Graduate EMLyon-INSEAD-Surrey University 2008 [...] 2005 — 2008 (3 years) MBA- Corporate Techonology Business Management. [...] Education: Ecole de Management de Lyon MBA , Corporate Techonolgy Business Management , 2005 — 2008 [...] Université Jean Moulin (Lyon III) MSc In Information Communication , Degree in European Business and Techonology , 1997 — 1999"	2009-2011	"Mariéme Jamme- MBA", LinkedIn
"Mariéme Jamme - CEO [...] studied in France, and gained her MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development at Surrey University, UK."	2009-2015	"About Us" page of spotoneglobalsolutions.com
"Marieme Jamme, holder of an MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development, having studied in France, Japan, UK and the US ..."	9th Nov 2009	Paul Asinor: Brighter Futures Announce Job Board As More Speakers Confirm, BusinessGhana.com
"She studied in Lyon, in Paris, in Philadelphia, in Japan and in Guildford Surrey where she recently had an MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development."	2010	BrighterFutures4Africa
"In 1992, she moved to France after her father’s death. There, she worked in restaurants and took on cleaning jobs to fund her studies."	July 24, 2012	Curnow, Robyn (2012-07-24). "Marieme Jamme: Shaping Africa's tech revolution". CNN.
"Jamme [...] studied in France and obtained her MBA in Corporate Technology and Business Development at Surrey University in the U.K."	July 24, 2012	Profile at The Habari Network
"Happy to be back at #University! #selfimprovement (@ University of Surrey Library)"	Aug 28, 2013	@mjamme on Twitter
"When my dad died in 1992, I had two options: either stay in Senegal and get married to one of my cousins or come to Europe. As I had a French passport from my Senegalese nationality, I came to France where I studied marketing and communications while doing multiple little jobs to pay for my studies. [...] I then came to England [...] I was hungry for knowledge and I knew I could train myself there. So I started working for many UK banks and everything I know has been self-taught."	5 December 2013	OCarroll, Myriam (5 December 2013). "Inspirational Woman: Mariéme Jamme - CEO SpotOne Global Solutions". WeAreTheCity.
"Elle décide alors d’améliorer son anglais à Londres [...] Elle poursuit ses études avec un MBA à l’Université du Surrey. Embauchée sans difficulté par la Citibank puis par JP Morgan et Lloyds, elle devient manager chez les fabricants de logiciels Oracle et Microsoft."	2014	Cessou, Sabine (10 January 2014). "Mariéme Jamme, tête pensante des nouvelles technologies en Afrique". RFI (in French).
"Après mon baccalauréat, je me suis installée en Angleterre. En parallèle à mes études de MBA, j'ai fait des petits boulots de nettoyage dans les hôtels de luxe. Une fois mon diplôme obtenu, j'ai très vite commencé a travailer."	ca. 2015	Karine Oriot: "Success story: Marième [sic] Jamme." Amina magazine, print edition (as posted by @mjamme on Instagram)
"Mariéme, now 44, received no formal education. At the age of 16 she taught herself to read and write. “I went to the library every day,” says Mariéme. “Then I read every material that came my way. I have now registered to sit GCSE and A level exams next year.”" [The University of Surrey provides information about the current entry requirements for its MBA program here.]	12 August 2018	Rose Ogola: Award-winning technologist inspires girls to learn coding, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR.org)
"I never said I got an MBA, I was studying at the University of Surrey to improve my english and writing and got some personal problems. I was speaking english with the French Journalist [Cessou from RFI, see above], she translated the article and mispresented my words."	18 July 2020	User:Mjamme on English Wikipedia (above)

For comparison, here is what the current version of the article says about this topic area (most of it added by User:Sidesix back in April), citing the CNN, RFI and WeAreTheCity articles:

"In early interviews, including with CNN in 2012, Jamme stated that [...] after the death of her father in 1992 [she moved from Senegal] to France where she worked in restaurants and cleaning jobs to fund her studies in marketing and communication. In a 2014 interview with Radio France Internationale, Jamme discussed coming from a wealthy family living comfortably in Dakar before moving to France where she worked a number of odd jobs to independently finance her Master in Marketing and Communication. According to the same interview, she then moved to the UK to improve her English, and obtained an MBA at the University of Surrey [...]"

Regards, HaeB (talk) 04:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Titular use

Marieme uses the title 'Lady' on her website and elsewhere but I can't find a reference to the award of an honour which would support that use. Is there a reference to an award or relevant marriage so that the article can be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HP101325 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Interviews are not reliable sources

I have made some edits to the article to remove content that is sourced to interviews. Interviews should not be used as reliable sources. See WP:PRIMARY. A lot of the content under early life was attributed to interviews and quotations. I also found a lot of inconsistencies in the information. I am keeping some sources that contain interviews, but only using sections that are not interviews and stated by the writers of the articles. Chocolatewade (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)