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Yes, the terminals of Stuttgart Airport are located in Leinfelden-Echterdingen. But as mentioned, the runways are part in Stuttgart and Filderstadt. Additionally, Stuttgart Airport is owned by the local state government and the city of Stuttgart. Furthermore, the most larger airports are not located directly in a city center. For example Munich Airport in Germany or as an extreme example Tokyo Narita. Since the location of the terminal is clearly mentioned in the attached link, I see no necessity to mention that issue also here directly on Stuttgart page. Sorry, but we should remove this "Echterdingen" patriotism on the Stuttgart page.


"Patriotism" or not, an encyclopedic article should be based on facts. In an article (yet to be written) on the City of Leinfelden-Echterdingen, one could rightfully include the Airport Terminal as an example of modern architecture located in that city. Could both the Stuttgart and the Leinfelden-Echterdingen articles lay claim to the terminal? No, it is either in one of the cities or the other. One could argue that the terminal should not be mentioned in the Stuttgart article at all, because it is not in that city. However, for the reasons mentioned above (that it is named after the city and owned by it), it can be argued that it should be included. A compromise is to include the reference to the terminal, but to make the note that it is actually located outside of Stuttgart, in another city. The link does explain this, but many readers will not link to the other article and will have the false impression that the terminal is indeed in Stuttgart.
Sometimes airports are located in the city they are named after (Denver, 40 km from the city center, is one of them); sometimes they are not (Washington National, just across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C., is an example). In other words, sometimes airports "far away" from a city are actually in them, and in other cases, really "close-in" airports are outside the city limits. One can never simply assume that an airport is or is not in a certain city, just because it is named after it. An encyclopedia should make this distinction.
Gellersen 21:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree to waive on the term "Stuttgart Airport". Therefore, I suggest the current version as a compromise. Anyway, what could be interesting architecture concerning an airport if not the terminal buildings. --Pfg 16:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The municipal authority in Esslingen governs Leinfelden-Echterdingen. And Stuttgart is the largest municipal organisation, to which both Esslingen and L-E belong. And the entire area around is densely populated and therefore could be refered to as "metropolitan" Stuttgart, with different towns and suburbs surrounding the centre. The airport serves this "metropolitan" area and would be quite useless if called "Leinfelden-Echterdingen Airport" - who would fly there? Therefore so technically, we should write: Stuttgart Airport terminals are located in Leinfelden-Echterdingen, the runways are in Stuttgart and Filderstadt, and this whole area belongs to the Stadtkreis Stuttgart. OK? --BartaS 08:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota is not a city. It's a car brand. --Menchi 23:08, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Devastators?

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Dear authors don't forget to add "the center of the city was devastated by US World War II bombing"!!! --Gutsul

Even amongst Stuttgart's citizens this objection is disputed. Of course there has been severe damage done by allied air raids, but the most devastating interventions into Stuttgart's architecture have been pursued by the city council itself. Whereas WW II is history, the demolition by construction is still going on, it's latest manifestation beeing the hideous mall behind the "Königsbau". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.180.120.28 (talk) 09:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a personal opinion and not to be mentioned in a public encylopedia arrizer (talk) 21:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

maps

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Yesterday I added a pair of maps to the Stuttgart article. I like to know where a city is when I read about it. And, since river transport is important in Europe, I thought that maps that showed the relationship between Stuttgart and the other Rhine cities would be useful. Someone at IP address 84.135.156.237 removed those images saying they weren't relevant. Am I nuts? Do other people agree that maps aren't relevant? Geo Swan 22:17, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am going to add those maps again, in a week, if no one offers a reason why they aren't relevant. Geo Swan 17:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


PFG: Please add these maps at the page River Neckar, but a link/connection from Stuttgart to the River Rhine is absolutely ridiculous, because neither Stuttgart is located at the Rhine, nor the Rhine is anywhere close to Stuttgart (about 200 km away). Therefore I will delete the maps. Less important (nut also a point): the maps look really ugly and not professional.

By the way, there's is already a map displayed on the page that shows the location of Stuttgart in Germany.

If you would tell anyone who lives in a city on the Rhine that Stuttgart is a Rhine city, he would start laughing (Sorry Geo Swan).

We are all volunteers here, right? We should all be doing our best to make the best possible articles, agreed? Well, if we are working at cross purposes, reversing the work of another, that is not helpful, is it. I'll tell you, I have been contributing to wikipedia for about a month now, and I have found articles that I believed are in error. But I don't take it upon myself to reverse those changes. I go to the history of the article, I figure out who contributed the thing I think is a mistake, and I write them a nice polite message.
I am going to assume that the persons who edited from IP 217.234.167.42 and IP 84.135.156.237 are one and the same. I would have written an email if that individual had logged in before they made their edits. Because I couldn't do that I left a note here in the talk page. Let me encourage you to register, if you haven't already done so. And let me encourage you to login, and identify yourself, before you make edits.
As to the dot on the map showing the location of Stuttgart within the states of Germany, I am sure that map is useful for those more familiar with German geography. But, for those of use who aren't, context is useful. You think the maps I supplied are ugly? Possibly. But they supply some context for those of us who aren't familiar with the details of German geography.
Personally, I love maps. Maybe I am wrong and those particular maps aren't as useful to other people as I thought. So, I am going to leave the Stuttgart page as-is. But I am going to strongly urge you to login before you make your edits.
If we respect that the other contributors here are volunteers, doing their best, we should do our best to leave others feeling their efforts are appreciated.
Geo Swan 18:58, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
File:Locator map of Stuttgart within Baden-Württemberg.png

I would like to see this image placed on the page, but im not sure how to place it. Does anyone have any ideas?--Kelownian 07:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page overhaul

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Interesting to see this page has been tagged. Indeed it does need references and a major overhaul!! If anyone considers themselves the owner/guardian/custodian/editor-in-chief of this page, please step forward. Otherwise I may volunteer myself though I'm sure there are more worthy people of the role (local historian?).
Having compared it to other pages of this ilk on German cities, in places this page reads like it's been cobbled together by day-trippers, people keen to show folks at home where they live, tourists "doing Europe" etc.
In particular it would make sense to look carefully at

  • a) the history section, which is in places cursory and could be expanded vs. the German page
  • b) images - too much focus on too few places. Stuttgart is peppered with fascinating historical architecture and sights beyond Schlossplatz and the city centre
  • c) transportation - like many pages on Germany this area creates the impression that the only thing to say about the city is how to get there, facts of interests to trainspotters and which underground services it provides; too much weighting on this section versus others
  • d) local culture... nothing on the derth of information available on this.


As a first step I propose raiding the rich treasure of info on German pages and thus

  • 1) removing detailed Schlossplatz entries and setting up a new page just for this (have just set up stub)
  • 2) expanding history, buildings (!), parks, economy, politics, sports (and thus readjusting whole emphasis of this page)



Anyone else interested in delving deeper?

Ideas for culture: Maybe some stuff about modern Theater productions and the :musicals out by Plenigen.
Should Nightlife be mentioned? You know, some stuff about clubs, bars, a mention of Theo-Heuss str.
I could knock up a bit about Stuttgart Hip-Hop, you know, a brief mention of big artists and key places.
Conairh (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

demografics

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where are they :/ ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.22.90 (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This and other facts will be included in the overhaul, when I can enrol someone to help me!! (see above) BuzzWoof (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neue Messe?

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I think the new Messe by the airport deserves a brief section, it is intended after all to be a major attraction. Maybe a few examples of exhibitions held there...? I would do it myself, but I have very little knowledge (or interest) about the thing. Conairh (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice idea, but the section would have to be updated constantly to reflect the latest exhibitions. Also, don't forget the Trade Fair has a separate article at [1]. BuzzWoof (talk) 13:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

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I propose moving list to its own article if no one opposes. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the general rule is on this. Berlin has no mention at all of famous people from the city. Munich has a list like this article. Frankfurt has nothing. I'm easy either way as long as it's well looked after. BuzzWoof (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sister Cities

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I am trying to clean up Wikipedia to create a standard naming convention for twinned towns. I propose that we remove 'UK' from Cardiff and St. Helens. Town Twinning is decided upon on either a town council or national level - so in my opinon mentioning the country is enough.

Please can I have opinions or if anyone would object. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.91.42.130 (talk) 13:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with this particular twinning is what "country" means and that Stuttgart made a conscious effort to have more than one twin town in the "UK". Since devolution and moves to make certain areas of the UK more autonomous, there are valid reasons to show that Cardiff is specifically in Wales and St. Helens is specifically in England. Imagine now a town in Scotland twins with Stuttgart: there is a Scottish parliament and thus you'd probably want to flag the town with the Scottish flag, not the Union Jack (at least most Scotsmen would!). Personally I don't care either way, but I think the distinction should be retained. (btw: if you're making this a personal mission, why not sign up and join a project group?) BuzzWoof (talk) 15:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

U-Bahn

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U in U-Bahn does not stand for Unabhaengig, at least not in Stuttgart. Talk to the people who know. Call the VVS who is in charge of it and they will set you straight +49 711 19 4 49. And just because in another article they mention Unabhaenig as a possible translation for the U in U-Bahn, doesn't mean it's known as that in Stuttgart. Get YOUR facts straight!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.113.85.21 (talk) 14:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess finding a reliable reference regarding what U in U-Bahn stands for isn't impossible. Squash Racket (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stuttgart periphery

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I'm all for mentioning this, but the content neither reflects the German page on Stuttgart, on which the total overhaul was originally based, nor includes enough reference for it to stand up to scrutiny. e.g. "In a wider sense" - whose sense? "Can be regarded" reads like journalist speak for, "but I have no references for this". "Usually are not included any more" - so what is usual? To what does this refer - people's immediate association, a commuter belt, or a tangible dialect-based regional split? I understand entirely the point being made - Amberg in Oberpfalz is "seen" as being more associated with Regensburg than Nuremberg, while towns closer to Nuremberg but still in Oberpfalz are "seen" as more in the Nuremberg area. But there it is caused by the dialect split between Oberpfälzisch and Fränkisch. Could we find a more factual way to describe this "periphery" around Stuttgart? Rather than what people "consider" the Stuttgart area to be? There must be reliable references for it somewhere? BuzzWoof (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why does Unterturkheim redirect here but make no mention of the word?

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Especially when an article like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untertürkheim exists? BillyTFried (talk) 17:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is listed under the city districts.imars (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
it is a part of the city - some hunderet years before it was a seperat villiage - town grows and it became part of it. now its a name like broklyn or quuens or something — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarlJun (talk • contribs) 23:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

population

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the article gives 5 population numbers,

most are clear but one is a mystery --


Stuttgart's urban area
has a population of roughly 1.8 million,
making it Germany's seventh largest


  • 0.6 Stuttgart
  • 1.8 Stuttgart's urban area
  • 2.7 Stuttgart Region
  • 4.0 Administrative District of Stuttgart
  • 5.3 Stuttgart Metropolitan Region


Haim Berman (talk) 11:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not now where this data comes from (I can find sources for the city and the region), so this is a guess: the "urban area" is the area centered on Stuttgart that has the continuous appearance of a city, i.e., and urban aspect, even if parts are not part of the city of Stuttgart. Foe example, along the Neckar valley, the built-up of residential and industrial areas is continuous far beyond the city borders. HMallison (talk) 11:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crime rates?

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Something's fishy with those numbers. That can't be the actual figures per 100000 inhabitants, seeing as the most violent regions of the world are in their sixties or seventies! Is there any comma missing somewhere? I checked the source PDF and it seems to corroborate the numbers, but... 190.55.31.135 (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very likely nothing is fishy but your claim that "the most violent regions of the world are in their sixties or seventies" - very likely that's not the same category as the German "Straftat", but counts only capital crime or whatever. The numbers in Germany include shoplifting and and kind of theft, destruction of property, insults and many other things that I know are often not counted as "crime", but shoved into the "misdemeanour" category.
Additionally, remember that in Germany the rate of crime brought to the attention of police via complaints is very high compared to many other places in the world. For one thing, I have seen street dealers in parts of New York operating in broad daylight and openly, and nothing happened - in Germany, if you play loud music after 10 p.m. you will see the police at your door within 20 minutes, usually.
In sum, the numbers are certainly correct, but comparing them to superficially similar numbers from elsewhere requires extreme caution. HMallison (talk) 06:24, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just found that in 2009 ALL of Germany had 709 murders (including attempts), New York City alone had 461 (down from over 2000 in the late 90s). This strengthens the assumption that the way your numbers were arrived at does not match the Kriminalstatistik for Stuttgart. HMallison (talk) 06:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tram System

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The mention of the tram system is severely misleading in my opinion. "Until 2007, Stuttgart also operated regular trams." sounds a lot like the tram system had been discontinued without any replacement, whereas the reality is that the tram lines were replaced with Stadtbahn lines - in quite some cases, it was even more of a "replace older trains that look like traditional trams with newer ones that are called 'Stadtbahn' in Stuttgart" situation. 129.69.215.20 (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]


notable - first tv tower worldwide

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stuttgart had the first tv tower in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by KarlJun (talk • contribs) 23:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No one says "Benztown"

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Perhaps a few rappers, but this is absolutely not a common nickname for the city! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.114.136.143 (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Benztown" removed, per this request. The IP localizes to Stuttgart and the nickname was unsourced. A2soup (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Stuttgart

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What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 12:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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What about the mass rape by Moroccan troops in 1945?

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For more info, see here: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1945/08/11/page/9/article/stuttgart-rape-charges-cease-under-u-s-rule — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.229.248.249 (talk) 10:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrong precipitation sum (millimetres)

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While editing a C 64 program for calculating Köppen/Geiger climate formulae, I discovered that the precipitation sum in millimetres for Stuttgart is wrongly calculated - it should be 713.7, not 718.7!--Yadgar (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be in your power to amend that? I moved the climate table into its own separate template. –Vami_IV✠ 22:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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"It lies an hour from the Swabian Jura and the Black Forest"?

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Can someone living near Stuttgart correct it? What is that supposed to mean "It lies an hour from the Swabian Jura and the Black Forest." Since when distances are given in time spent bent behind a driving wheel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6:2332:7239:70E2:BBE8:CCCB:4E6C (talk) 13:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

:) WASSUP

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HI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.179.52.134 (talk) 17:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tf2 Medic

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More insight in Tf2 Medic. Medic Gaming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teuf0rt (talk • contribs) 11:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why doesn't Vaihingen have its own article?

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In the Geography section there is a box labelled "Middle-Stage centers of the Stuttgart Region" that lists all the regional towns and suburbs.Each has its own article except Vaihingen. Its wiki-link sends the reader back to the Stuttgart article. The German article is quite extensive! Who could translate it? Baekemm (talk) 16:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Problem resolved through link with Vaihingen an der Enz (not the Vaihingen within the city limits)--Baekemm (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Striving to the top flights....

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Most definitely absolutely about to enjoy myself my life and all of my new loved ones that I'm coming in contact with most definitely hope that I'm well more accepted as much as I want to be in the presence as well.. give thanks to all of you health givers supporters I can't wait to meet you guys and be a better person better healthy person as well most definitely I thank you for allowing me to be able to have the support and thanks this love and connections. I can't wait to get to the Stuttgart airport I am more than ready as of right now ready I am so excited and I just don't know what more to do but to give thanks to all of you all All Stars 5 6 7 8 9 10 Stars all of the above that goes out to each and everyone that's a part of the help in life better. 64.233.157.52 (talk) 05:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed a bunch of them (and made other improvements to the page). If anyone is willing to do so, they can be added again once the pages are translated. FortunateSons (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fernsehturm Stuttgart (TV tower)

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This article currently lists this structure with a date of 1950. This seemed too early to be credible to me, so I checked Fernsehturm Stuttgart. That says construction only started in 1954 with service starting in 1956. I know very little about Stuttgart, so will leave it for other editors to sort out. Ef80 (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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