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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sudzha (river) → Sudzha River – Natural disambiguation which is common in English, a search gave me several hundred relevant ghits. This page has been boldly moved several times, see here. While the best name is the one I'm suggesting IMO, either way an RM will hopefully lead to stability. Andrewa (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slow down – Per WP:NCRIVER, this seems like it might be the right title. It also says "Country-specific exceptions to this rule should be discussed within WikiProject Rivers and/or that country's WikiProject." Do you know of any such discussions? This RM could be it, if you notify the relevant projects. Dicklyon (talk) 03:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is WP:NCRIVER a naming convention? It appears to be a Wikiproject page section which looks like one and should perhaps become one, and this RM would be a good place to start such a discussion. Andrewa (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the "NC" in the shortcut stands for naming convention. These don't usually rise to the status of guidelines, but are usually project-specific conventions that are compatible with other style and naming guidelines. We had a big discussion some years ago about disambiguation by parenthetical (X tributary) and such. The bit about where to put "River" or "river" is much older iirc. Dicklyon (talk) 01:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The reason we do it like this for rivers in non-English-speaking countries is that British English generally uses "River X" whereas American English generally uses "X River". Therefore, per WP:ENGVAR we use the parenthetical form as it is currently. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When he said "we do it like this", he meant with the parenthetical (river). Did you look at WP:NCRIVER? This bit: When common usage does not include the word "River", but disambiguation is required (e.g. the river Inn in central Europe), parenthetical, non-capitalized "river" should be used: Inn (river). For common usage, consider these stats. Dicklyon (talk) 01:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
