User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 15

Happy First Edit Day!

Ta, Birthday Committee. That's reet gradely. Seems like more than thirteen years ago.Martinevans123 (talk) 12:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

Tagetes patula, aka French marigold

lovely exchange of ideas all the time, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. Well, perhaps.

"I had a monumental idea this morning, but I didn’t like it." -- Samuel Goldwyn.

Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC) [2]

but I like it ;) - I had an idea yesterday, to create an article, and found that it existed, and was created - yesterday! Stonecrop Gardens, pics by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Ha, quite a coincidence! Some lovely pictures. I think the pink ones may be Phlox paniculata and the small yellow/orange ones Tagetes, maybe Tagetes patula? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I asked Menerke bloem who has flower in his user name. There are a few more on the commons, feel free to look there, too. Also at my calendar pics. I know many flowers by German name, but neither Latin nor English, - all help appreciated. I also need help for the translation of today's topic Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern. [3] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I see he already has an article. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

yes, and his sister-in-law is on the Main page, so now to the song and album, and a translation of just the title, or rather "Schmuddelkinder", - the rest is fairly common stuff. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

GoogleTranslate produces flithy? But the autotranslate on de:Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern gives dirty, while The Times obit for Degenhardt here gives just grubby. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, took grubby. Do you have access to the whole article? Could you check if it has some more useful for the article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Alas, not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gerry Marsden

On 4 January 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Gerry Marsden, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 20:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. "Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying" on the The Ed Sullivan Show (3 May 1964). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chronology (Bryn Haworth album)

The article Chronology (Bryn Haworth album) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:NMUSIC. Compilation album of previously released music, not notable

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Seems a shame in terms of complete discography coverage. When this was issued, in 1989, he's already issued 10 different albums. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Good Job the others are safe.

Nice ...

... to have you back. Now, have you got my back? – Sca (talk) 17:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Just for you..... compete with extract from "Volume 17: Jet and Piston Engine Aeroplane from Abbey Road’s collection"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I looked at that 'back' one. How amateurish. Sca (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Suddenly you've become popular at ITN/C. Soon the paparazzi will be after you. – Sca (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

But don't tell anyone. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hyphens or dashes in aircraft designations

"Oh! Dash it all, Esmeralda!"

Regarding your edit summary question, your edits were right: all aircraft designations are hyphens, not dashes and not mdashes or ndashes, either. - Ahunt (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Cheers, Adam. Many thanks for the note. It was just a hunch. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

- Ahunt (talk) 21:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Peach palaver

I've heard it said that Nietzsche is pietzsche. – Sca (talk) 17:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It had to be done. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC) "There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'Bout the raising of the wrist. Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed....

Also, heard that Frank Zappa was a mother. – Sca (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I heard he was a real mutha! Marty "Guitar" Evans123 (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Better than Dale, anyway – and that's saying a lot right there, Pard'. – Sca (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, they do call me the "Superman Lover". Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Funky. I thought you'd be into something more upbeat – something you can move your shoes to. – Sca (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, nice mix there! But if I had to choose one live performance, that's pretty much inch perfect all round.... I guess I'd have to choose this one from Montreux 1969. Benny Bailey's two trumpet breaks are just off the scale. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Truth be told, YT is not a big fan of the horn, though with some exceptions (from Handel to, say, Jan Garbarek). And there's something about the word Trumpet that just bothers me.
Do you know about a word game called Lexulous? Don't bother with Wiki's lousy article about it. I'll send an email. – Sca (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Er, ahem, excuse me. Speaking from a totally dispassionate and professional position of No-COI-What-Me-Guv-Nah I wish to say that there is nothing bothersome about the word Trumpet as such. Indeed 99% of all rational, reasonable people would agree that it is among the most beautiful words in the language. When you start knocking letters off the far end, sure, there is a problem starting to develop. But trumpet? Nah, lovely DBaK (talk) 23:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

DBaK, I can't help feeling that you're blowing your own trumpet here. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Guilty. I admit everything. DBaK (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

How do we feel about the word Trumpery, then? – Sca (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Our level of negativity about the similarity between Certain Words and Certain Other Words is off the scale. It's as if the world has carefully dreamt up a PR disaster for the trumpet-playing community, from which it could take decades to recover ... sigh ... DBaK (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

c/o You-Tuba: this.... teehee, or even.... thisMartinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC) p.s. and in case you've never seen it... "Life Accordion To Trump" is highly recommended.

Beginning today, the new buzzword is detrumpification (possibly coined by Anthony Scaramucci). – Sca (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes. As in "Scaramucci, Scaramucci, will you do the Fandango"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Although speaking as a detached and wholly unbiased professional, I was most gratified to see trumpets featuring quite heavily in the detrumpification, including a moment by a mate, to whom, now he's even famouser, I shall shortly start sending begging letters, requests for endorsements etc etc ... DBaK (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

All we have currently is the New Zealand footballer? Looking forward to Category:American inaugural trumpeters. [4] Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 20

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. And I've only managed about 14 of those!! "Where you from, Evans?" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

from Wales - Osian Ellis will be tomorrow's topic, go ahead I'm tired, made a FAC, imagine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Here he is with Handel's Allegro, from 1962. [5]Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

my favourite Evans, Martin being a close second, before Linda ---Sluzzelin talk 23:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Sluzzelin. Just beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Back to Ellis, should we try ITNN, or would you want to expand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

He now shares the Main page with a pic I took - thank you for the personal touch that you added to his article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

An interesting video about him here. Copyright status unclear. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Admin

Ever thought about running for admin? I have looked at your block log and the one about sockpuppetry is a little concerning, but I'm willing to hear your explanation before rejecting you as a candidate. You've been around more than long enough to have a clue, and making mistakes along the way is fine as long as they are learnt from. Mjroots (talk) 09:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll think it over. Mjroots, I'm seriously flattered that you should use the A-word here. My block log makes interesting reading, including the multiple instances of sockpuppetry (only some of which were actually me!) Not being an Admin is one of the few things that keeps me here! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Split?

Ha! You just beat me to it ... we had an (edit conflict) just as I was restoring the para break. Cheers!
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

It happens. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

and this was bound to happen.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm surprised Boris hasn't tried to sell us an oven-ready tunnel. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, he is known to support this proposal. He loves BIG projects but is yet to complete one. What gets me, is that he never answers a question.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I think he sees himself as "the new Churchill". It's a shame he's a complete waste of space. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

His spell as Boris Johnson#Foreign Secretary: 2016–2018 was the giddy limit. especially relating to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He makes me so angry.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

January 2021

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If only I could remember what I wrote. What did Earwig say? Thanks so much for the threat of a block. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gerry Cottle

On 16 January 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Gerry Cottle, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Dumelow (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, anyway. Reminds me, sadly, of The Great Valerio Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Osian Ellis

On 16 January 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Osian Ellis, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 23:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks, Spencer. Denbigh County School football team's loss was our gain, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Couldn't believe he had no article in German. Now he does. Could you link that on Wikidata, please. It doesn't let me sign on. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

... nor Adeney (my article #4), Aronowitz (#5) and Weil (#6)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Same problem for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

today see blue Vision pictured (not by me), with Arik Brauer in the news, so art in Vienna twice --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, well worth remembering. Thanks Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Mikhail Lebedev

View of Ariccia with Cortical Ensemble Adaptations to Represent Velocity (1836, Russian Museum)

We urgently need a Wikipedia article on the famous neuorscientist, Mikhail Lebedev. Can you please finish the article on Mikhail Lebedev this weekend? It needs to be nominated as a good or featured article within 30 days. I Already started. Please see Draft:Mikhail Lebedev (neuorscientist). — Preceding unsigned comment added by LotteryGeek (talk • contribs) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Loving his landcapes with cortical ensemble adaptations! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

LOL (switched from Laura Mvula talk!)

I was going to reply to you but thought maybe I'd upset the more uptight editor-types putting a personal note on a bio talk page... :-) You are one of my fave Wikipedians and I always know the voice of reason is around when you're editing... Cheers! --gobears87 (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, gobears, that's very nice to know, thanks so much. Yes, I know the type. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick question: you might check my recent edit on a certain talk page... is there a place to complain somewhere about overly aggressive editing? I've been editing 12 years and it seems to get worse and worse, so many people who are trying to find some source of self-worth from aggressive comments and/or edits. I wish it was easier to nip in the bud - things used to be more courteous around here! Cheers :-) --gobears87 (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Well there's always WP:AN or (as it is also commonly known) "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate". But I'll try and take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

FWIW after the editor left a personal attack on my talk page I just bailed out. Not worth the angst... sadly. --gobears87 (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

p.s. oh geeez, seen the [facepalm] IP address comment & had to look and I see I am not the only one facing issues, though yours seem far more benign (lucky you!) --gobears87 (talk) 04:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Wow. "Now, I don't know who pissed in your Wheaties..." ... "...you need to spank your inner child..." What a charming individual. That looks a little over the top to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm just a bit troubled by this Wheaties thing. I hope you didn't eat them afterwards, Martin? It all sounds a bit unhygienic. I don't know what you Young People get up to these days, I really don't. Yours in bafflement, DBaK (talk) 21:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

"Listen to Iron Maiden, maybe." Wheaties? Fields of wheat? Wheatus? Who knows, it's all the same to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Only the cream of the crop, I'm sure! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah!! To Die! Before the harvest...!!".Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Dine

I have now changed the ariticle using the old photos--Lexprofi (talk) 09:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Lexprofi. Thanks for expanding the article. Your additions have more than doubled its size. As I wrote in my edit summary of 27 January, however, your re-write contravenes WP:MOS, in terms of layout of the lead section. Also, you've made no edit summaries to explain what you've done, so other editors may be a bit confused. I'd urge you to open a new section at Talk:Jim Dine to briefly explain what you've done. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like you want them to dine-out. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Trypto, you can dine out on that joke for years to come. Well yeah, you know, dine out, or maybe, um butt out! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Or both. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Many thanks User:Rodw for clearing all those up! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

There were a few which are unclear - tagged with dab needed if you can help.— Rod ^talk 09:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, of course. I will have a look. My blanket linking was hardly very careful. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hugh Dennis

Hi there - just wanted to quickly thank you for cleaning up my additional anecdote about Hugh Dennis' name-changing debacle. I went and forth between about two or three different ways of wording the sentence and ended up getting mixed up between them all and ended up with something near-incomprehensible (as you know full well!) - thank you for clearing up my mess. Greatly appreciated. Afreoleidddra (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Glad we have got it sorted. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hah-way tha Jocks!

Yay!! 6–11: what a home nations opener. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hooray!! 21–16: What a first test try. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

On familiar terms?

Did you mean "lamebrain"? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

It's my eyesight, doctor, honest. That was, in fact my very rude meat puppet twin-brother. I did apologise. I do hope Lmabian doesn't take offence. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

My Boy Lollipop

My boy lollipop

Popular music from reunified Germany??

Dear Mr. Evans, you have deleted my mention about the group “Musicbox” cover version of “My Boy Lollipop”. Because I never published anything before on Wikipedia I am not fully aware of their rules and regulations. Maybe you are so kind to help me edit my contribution that it becomes “eligible” for you to be published. The background: During my late thirties ( I am now 71) and always interested in music, I co-produced the German group Musicbox. Their album: ‘The First Project’ was recorded at Music Park Studios in Bad Homburg, Germany with the help of notable musicians Harry Baierl (Boney M, Milli Vanilli) Michael Wyn (Nosferatu) and mixed by Frank Fahrian's Sound Engineer R. Tammy Grohe. After listening to our demos in London, Virgin A&R Manager Muff Winwood (Spencer Davies Group) told me that he would like, but could not publish the song because they had just purchased the original rights. He recommended Canadian record company DINO Music which during Midem 1997 accepted to produce and publish an LP, a single and one of the first Cd’s ever for the German-speaking market. They also produced two Music videos and organized several radio and television appearances of Musicbox. Their version of the song was particularly successful because of the “Mickey Mouse” voice of singer Kali(mero). The LP sold about 20.000 units, CD sales have been marginal. The German Music publication “Der Musikmarkt” featured Musicbox with a story. Thank you for your attention and consideration. Respectfully Thomas Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.61.224.100 (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thomas. Thanks very much for your note and all that background information. The answer is quite simple, to be generally notable at Wikipedia we'd expect to have an article called "Musicbox (German band)", or something similar. I looked but could not find one, even at German Wikipedia. Would you care to write one (for English Wikipedia)? But even if you did, I have to warn you that their version of "My Boy Lollipop” might not be deemed "notable enough" to be mentioned at the song article, unless it has been mentioned in numerous reliable sources, e.g. magazine reviews or books on German pop music, etc. Does that make the situation clearer for you? Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Dear Martin,I apreciate your fast answer and advice. I will think about writing an article about the group but for me, the songs had much more importance than the group. I grew up in the sixties and I think we produced very decent covers- in comparison to a lot of others. Would you like to receive a voice file? It's very difficult to get material from 1987, the internet was not developed. Anyhow, nice talking to you. I learned something today! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.61.224.100 (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

You are very welcome. It's a bit of an odd situation to have a song that's more notable that the group, although I suppose this does happen for unknown bands that record the first version of a song, or for those that are "one-hit wonders". In this case, of course, the original by Millie is certainly the best known one in the UK. Please feel free to send me a voice file if you wish. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2021 (UTC) p.s. the best place any new article or first mention might be over at de.wiki? They do at least have de:My Boy Lollipop already.

Thank you very much 217.61.224.100 (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Brian Eno/Pigeon Keeping

Thanks for fixing that, I wasn't paying attention and did not realized I only removed the source, not the content! Beach drifter (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Almost believable. A very sly vandal. Quite discrete really. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Innisfree Garden

Did you know that I do my daily exercise now of converting refs for Stockhausen's works - today Adieu of all titles - in memory of Jerome Kohl? Another one who died on the Main page today, Vera Wülfing-Leckie, - a red link in the Deaths list, imagine. I went to the garden some great day in October 1996, remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, a beautiful picture. I imagine this a bit like how the Garden of Eden must have looked, before the serpent's flash mob moved in. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

pic not by me, but I made contact to the one who took it today - DYK that I took one of the scene - small, on paper - in 1996, enjoying a day there with friends and kids, the kids now married ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"Time flies".... and those Foos would say. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC) .... "Italian choral version"

aspects of life (subject of my first article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's very interesting.... "Glittereyed, his rufous skull close to his greencapped desklamp sought the face bearded amid darkgreener shadow, an ollav, holyeyed. He laughed low: a sizar's laugh of Trinity: unanswered." ... as old JJ might say. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

He composed some JJ, DYK? (Bulbulone (Finnegans Wake) - Arise (Chamber Music # 14) - Buzzard (Finnegans Wake)) - Today: two people on the Main page, Arik Brauer and Andréa Guiot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha, I did not DYK that! How very ironic. Thanks for telling me. "Sláinte!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

One point winner!!

Top of the table

24-25. Woo-hoo!! Two of the best tries ever. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

... sounds even better in French!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Liam Neeson

Hi, If you have time, could you check recent edits to the article. Thanks (have to work!!!). Denisarona (talk) 10:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

If I can. Thanks (have to volunteer!!!). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Harry dunn crash site.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/01/04/15/22984672-7851451-Supporters_of_Harry_Dunn_gather_outside-a-75_1578152777209.jpg Stephenfryfan (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Um, WP:DAILYMAIL, but would be copyvio anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, hello

Hi Martin,

I have popped back into clarify the Keats/Harrow question. I wondered if you might be able to archive the Keats talk page from start to around 2010. Most of the earlier chat isn't very relevant to the current article, and the page has never had sections archived before. I've been away too long to remember how to do it. If it's a faff, no worries. It's hardly vital.

About the Plath stamp question, opening up a 'popular influence' section etc seems to me to be an open invitation for it to be filled with all sorts of tosh. Not sure the stamp is that significant. I would tend to go for lean articles, but happy to defer to your judgement. I hope you are doing well and enjoying the WP life. Stay safe and well. Anna (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Anna,

I hope you are well. Thanks for popping back. Have done a manual archive. Do you think that's enough? Re postage stamps:

"I love people. Everybody. I love them, I think, as a stamp collector loves his collection." — Sylvia Plath, The Unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath Haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks. I've tried to add a bit of clarity to the Keats legacy conversion question. Do you know the source for the historical currency gizmo? I don't think that was around when I was a lass. There is large discrepancy (£100 000) between the gimzo figure for the legacy and the National Archive estimate.

I have to say that when I pop back, I am amazed how close these original articles are to 12 years ago. I always assume they will have got trashed (esp the referencing), not no, not much. With big names, like Keats, they are generally improved. The WP system seems to me nuts, these days - incredibly time-intensive, so it's heartening to see a lot of personal work improved and remaining as it was referenced in the Keats article (2009-2012 ish, me surrounded by stacks of biographies from the library). Something is working somewhere. I suspect it is you. Lol.

Since I stopped editing at WP my eye problems are much better. It's a shame to have moved on, as I loved the writing of new articles in particular but the coding is just a killer - trying to spot a missing bracket. I now run a large neighbourhood network, and the experience of watching the WP community battle itself has been invaluable; if only for the toughening of skin. When you have been attacked for years on WP as a Romanian fascist, a Russian spy, a Grammar Nazi, a Mosad agent, British govt minister, homophobic ring leader etc etc, not much can touch you. It has stood me in good stead to understand the ways of the fearful (online) heart. It's also helped me greatly improve my writing skills and source analysis. Though I still can't spell.

Of the hundreds of poetry articles I overhauled, wrote or rewrote, I think John is closest to my heart. So, thank you for your care of him. He lived a few doors up from the house where I grew up (so to speak), so I think of him as eccentric neighbour in need of TLC and good cake. x Anna (talk) 07:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Anna. Thanks for your note and your valuable copy edits over at John Keats. I have no idea of the source for the historical currency gizmo! There's more info at Template:Inflation. That's quite a collection of accusations you have there! I'm now wondering where that Keats residence was, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In

Hi Martin. I noticed you have shown interest in You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In. Would you be interested in adding your opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You're Gonna Get Your Fucking Head Kicked In please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi God Save. I may consider it. Although I have already made a suitably agricultural comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I saw the section header and had a moment of concern for you. But I trust your head is still OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Well thanks for the concern. I've not exactly had a flood of enquiries in the past 6 hours. I think we can safely assume that The C of E, God Save the Queen! hasn't got specially dressed for the occasion. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC) (... and after 14 years on Wiki....heads can get damaged anyway!)

Oh good. But we have a limited-time discount for ECT if you should need it. (Or plumbing if it's that other kind of "head".) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah thank you, WMF. Sounds like a real bargain. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

That would be Doctor Ratched to you! Harumph, harumph! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Lol. Thanks for the selection. I chose this one! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I thought we had manged to avert this. But maybe time to take the bull by the horns. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I didn't see it when it first happened, because it had already been reverted, but... yikes. I would have (figuratively!) kicked that person's effing head in. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I have to admit that I just LOL-ed. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Oxford

Local library's money-saving "community event" (*social distancing not strictly enforced)

Hi Martin, if you have a UK public library membership, your card number might give you access to many interesting Oxford publications, including Who's Who. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi De Factory. Thanks for the note. Yes, I think I did try that with my local library card number. It does work for ODNB, although not for Who's Who. But I'll double check. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I enjoyed the link too. I'm glad the author of my previous misnomer here didn't also provide an illustrative link. -- DeFacto (talk). 14:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

"Hi nigger! DON'T pretend to be more reliable than the Sun newspaper. You made truth redundant. Thanks." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Oxford recognises my library number, but access to the bio for "Captain Sir Thomas Moore", which is featured as the "What's New" on the front page, is not allowed. The FEATURED person is Lord Cashman and access to his bio is free. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

You'll have to lobby your local council to give more of your money that they are saving by having the libraries closed to Oxford Reference. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, probably better than a ritual bonfire. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC) [6]

The Bludgeon Brothers?

Do not open if offended by Jewish humour or brain samples

Remember, you were warned. Isaac is an honest Jewish man, but he recently found out his son converted to Christianity. This is no good, for Isaac is a devout observant Jew. This shouldn’t happen to a proud Jew like he. So Isaac visits his friend Albert and says "Albert, Albert, my son has become a Christian, what am I going to do?" "Funny you should say that’ says Albert, "My son has also become a Christian, this should not happen to a proud, devout Jew like me. So they talk with each other and say "we'll talk to the Rabbi, he'll know what to do." So the two Jews visit the Rabbi and say "Rabbi, Rabbi, our sons have become Christian, what are we going to do?" "Funny you should say that," says the Rabbi, "My son has also become a Christian, this should not happen to a proud, devout Jew of my status." So the three men talk with each other and say "we'll ask God, he'll know what to do!" So the Rabbi calls out "God, God, our sons have become Christian, what are we going to do?" Suddenly a bright celestial light shines through the clouds and the thunderous voice of God rings out: "Funny you should say that..." -- Martinevans123 (talk) 23:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Twelve Stops and Home

Truly wonderful guitar break break from Kevin Jeremiah. Reminds me of that other band. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

:-) :-) :-) --gobears87 (talk) 04:23, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Redacting

Regarding your edit at WT:ITN, typically you should follow WP:REDACT when modifying your comments if someone has already replied to them. No big, I just deleted my reply. In other cases, it might not be so elegant. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I had considered that. I wasn't convinced it was worth the effort, sorry. I guess if folks are interested they will just click on the link anyway. I took your comment as a clarification rather than a "reply". Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

February flowers

Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The Greens in Germany was a great idea. Well done Wilhelm. I have a great deal of respect for Our Greens, and particularly for Caroline Lucas, who is one of the few British politicians who seems to have a working brain. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Here are some more greens for you, Martin. Remember, you are what you eat! --Tryptofish

Close to the Hedge
""... seasonings will pass me by"
I throw up ... I smack down

And it's not easy being Green! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, Gerda. As you know, I'm a big fan! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

had Grünkohl for dinner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes. Very tasty. My favourite ... Echte Spinat! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

40-24

Sheeeeed-eeeeeey!!, Sheeeeed-eeeeeey!!!! And well-deserved Man of the Match. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Amateur Hour.ogg

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Have replaced at Amateur Hour (song) with a copyright-compliant video of full song. Not sure the clip can be justified at Kimono My House, so may have to be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus!

Felinfoel Brewery was the first brewery outside the US to sell beer in cans!

Hi Martin, hope that you're well. Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus! JezGrove (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Cheers Jez! Still celebrating from Saturday, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Of course! Have a Double Dragon for me! JezGrove (talk) 12:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

March flowers

Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

A big up to Beyoncé!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

you made me smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

watch today Skylla and Charybdis (Waterhouse), please, see talk - if you want to listen: link on my talk, together with my first DYK, and one for the composer's 50th birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I listened live, and can still call it, [7] - with one piece dedicated to the memory of a Welsh composer, Dafydd Llywelyn, I think I mentioned that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

today (IWD): MMMM with a reference to Carmen again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hattie: you probably talk to the Master. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

All very mysterious. It seems I didn't realise that "adding unsourced material" actually means "Are readers considered so dense they need the same information repeating two paragraphs later?" Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Not mysterious at all. El C, archive 20. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

That's very cryptic, Gerda. I was mightily disappointed to be awarded only 7 face palms. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Probably not worth looking, but there, the IP I met - looking similar - requested me to not thank for the TFA. No facepalm in sight. I said several times I wish he'd edit under his real name. Did you know that The Rite of Spring will be TFA on 6 April? Remember the discussion growing before and during arbinfobox? All history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Spam of antidepressants articles

In regard to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluoxetine&curid=10153680&diff=1010264578&oldid=1010264498. The same IP also spammed Sertraline, Venlafaxine, Serotonin–norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor with exactly the same text. I reverted some of it but really do not want to engage into an edit war. Can there be some kind of admin remedy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Sceptical Chymist (talk • contribs) 16:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. The sources look good: Irving Kirsch has an article. So, it's well-thought-out and not vandalism. But it does look like spamming and editing against consensus. Best to discuss at one of the article Talk pages, to which the IP can be invited, but not sure which one. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

References
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
References

I've opened a thread at Talk:Venlafaxine. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Texas Boom!!

"I love the way you walk, I love the way you talk, not sure about after the landing." It did all look like something from Gerry Anderson:[8] "... and I feel I should warn you, it ends rather abruptly!" --Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

John Lee Hooker is indeed awesome. I watched the video of his song, that you linked to, and I'm particularly impressed with how he sang without moving his lips. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, yes, Billy and Dusty not exactly leaping about either were they. Mr. Hooker obviously missed his vocation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC) Very glad you enjoyed that video. Really not sure why Frosty the Snowman gets a copyright credit in the "SHOW MORE" section!?

Regarding Malaysian Airlines 370 Article

I have seen you twice reverted by changes to the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_disappearance_theories, could you please explain whats wrong with it. While I am new to Wikipedia, so if I am talking to you at wrong place please let me know that too. I tried to add value to the MH370 article. Today Mh370 completed 7 years of disappearance, and I found this great article so considered it good to mention this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityamilyin (talk • contribs) 14:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Adityamilyin. Thanks for your note. The best place to discuss your addition is over at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappearance theories. I had to repair the article as you had tried to added an unnecessary subsection heading at the top. But I also have doubts about the source you used and the claims it makes. Other editors may wish to discuss it. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, well everything is misinformation considering the fact that the MH370 investigation never gave a conclusion, on to the point of me not mentioning sources, well I am new to Wikipedia, please advice how to properly do that, first of all I clearly mentioned that Ministry of Malaysia was still investigating the prospect of a possible atempt to make a call, and it is true that Co-Pilot's cell phone briefly connected to a tower. Secondly you mentioned the subsection, okay may be I should have added it as a part of some other section itself rather than creating a new section, it is clearly in the ATC records that Ho Chi Minh called after 18 minutes, while the internation rule is to do it within 5 minutes. And internation rules also say that a fighter jet should be close to the aircraft within 20 minutes, in case of a potential threat and loss communications. This is standard rule, it has happened with Helios Flight 522 too. The standard rule was not followed, and that too is in government records. The url I mentioned was just because I found the explanation of that URL really good and precise, else I have mentioned that the 18 minute delay was from ATC, and it is genreally known that no fighter jet was known, and the Wikipedia article had already mentioned that the inital searches werre in South China sea, but that information further just explained that if INMARSAT was used early possible debris could be found. Weather reports of same time also show that 2 cyclones happened in its approx crash location. Also, we do not have direct link for the government records, it is public but not directly available on internet, and weather report if you want I can add, by finding it from internet, nothing has been cooked up by me, and I mentioned that site, because the text I added in wikipedia was a direct copy paste from that site, https://mily in.com/mh370-update-2021-what-happened-to-mh370-mystery/#11 the heading that says "Was the MH370 Shot down? Or was there any country that wanted to revenge?" has the exact text used in the wikipedia edit of mine, while it isnt a source, it definitely is a great explanation, also there is no need for worrying about plaigarism, I have the permission from the owner of that site to use the text here. Please suggest what I can do to get my edit back. Looking forward to your reply. Will Weather report, and removing subheading be enough? Adityamilyin (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Adityamilyin, the best place to discuss your addition is over at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappearance theories. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

an old pal

I came across this when I noticed the editor disruptively editing some women's health articles. They are not as new as they seem. Thought you may want to know. CUPIDICAE💕 17:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for that. The same tiny, gnomic and seemingly pointless edits, supported by nearly incomprehensible rambling and overly-complicated explanations? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Pretty much. Yep. I told him if they were going to sock they should probably work on being more coherent. Why they've chosen to mess up articles related to women's health with their nonsense, I haven't got a clue. CUPIDICAE💕 17:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I must admit, I am also somewhat baffled. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

And now indef bocked as a sockpuppet of Whalestate. What a complete waste of time that all was. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yup. I'm a little disappointed it took that long. CUPIDICAE💕 19:06, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Tedder

No, not "lol". You know these are not acceptable sources. This does not confirm "Some tedders have the rotating tines enclosed inside a solid structure to increase the force applied to the hay" or that the two you mentioned are similar to...similar to what? The YouTube videos don't confirm the text (and there are no words, and it's YouTube videos, etc), and so even if they were somehow reliable they don't source the text. Come on--this is silly. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the videos not only provide ample evidence that these machines exist, but also do a very good job of showing how they work. I'm also pretty sure that acceptable textual sources will be available somewhere. I expect, just like me, you're already busy looking for them. Until they can be located, I guess small adjustments to the text and/or adding back in {{cn}} tags would be perfectly acceptable. I'd have to agree with you that that source is not a very useful one, so I've removed it. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Martin, that they exist doesn't mean anything, you know that. No I'm not looking for stuff. I already wrote the article, and dedicated it to User:tedder, and I think I did a pretty good job. I see on the talk page that you showed an interest in this in 2010 already--surely ten years of research should suffice for finding acceptable sources. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Mies, Very sorry I've scored such low marks after a full ten ten years. I must have got distracted. So, you "already wrote the article"? My hearty congratulations. Please dispense with any links to problematic videos that might mess up your dedication. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Uhh oh, what am I trouble for now? And can I use my username as a citation? tedder (talk) 03:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm the one in trouble, Ted, for not doing my haymaking homework for the last 10 years. I think you can use it, as long as it doesn't involve a YouTube video. I feel so out of condition. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

7-48

Rees-Lightnin' does it again! Scusate gli Azzurri, meritate di averne di più! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Looking forward to Super Saturday.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Rees-Zammit is joint leading try-scorer. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

About the F-16 WIKI page

The current wiki page about F-16's climb rate is completely wrong: It says the F-16C block50 has only 254m/s climb rate at sea level, and the source is its flight manual. However, I am not seeing any "254m/s" from its flight manual. However the manual proves that it sustains a 1200ft/sec (370m/s) climb rate even in a 4.2G ascending turn, which means it can sustain even higher rate in straight line climb! https://i.postimg.cc/hthftrg7/Figure-B8-37-F-16-C-block50-supplement-manual.png Please let me correct this, otherwise it's misleading and will cause under-estimation of F-16's performance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldtimesake (talk • contribs) 00:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

You need to discuss this at Talk:General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I posted and I am waiting for your response: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#F-16C_block50%27s_climb_rate_is_not_254m%2Fs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldtimesake (talk • contribs) 01:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Sad news

Very sorry to hear of the loss of Yoninah, who always seemed to me to be the essence of good sense and friendly collaboration. I'm posting this tune, from Luca Sestak, in her memory: [9] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, great music. I posted Psalm 84, pictured on my talk. How lovely is your dwelling place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the guy's a genius. He's 26! He was playing perfect boogie-woogie to millions at the age of 11. He now shows that he also has amazing musical imagination. A lot like that other jazz piano genius. Yoninah was a great editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

She was. We wrote the psalm article together, made hundreds of DYKs together (often not agreeing), - my name is 40 times on her present (truncated) talk, DYK? Look for "touching the world of angels". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

"Touching the World of Angels is not a book about death, but about life – the precious, oh-so-elusive vision we all seek, consciously or subconsciously, to make sense of our existence." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Profound words. And let's not forget the rest of us fallen angels (I assume this must be from the 2007 "Remastered & Expanded", Max Bennett on wonderful bass) ... footnotes. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

After nobody did, I wrote for the Signpost. - Today: Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

... and the first performance was on a Palm Sunday which is today, and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover today - putting some little ego-battles in perspective --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

James Watt

@Martinevans123, I'd like to expand upon James Watt's work on factious airs. There are several important contributions in the carbon monoxide space that should be mentioned on Watt's page. The page is protected, but it appears you have previous administered revisions. What is the best way to go about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SloppyTots (talk • contribs) 02:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi SloppyTots, yes James Watt is semi-protected. You can use Template:Edit semi-protected at Talk:James Watt. But you might want to look at WP:AUTOCONFIRM - you need to have an account that is at least 4 days old and has made at least 10 edits to the encyclopedia. Meanwhile I have now seen your edits under Talk:James Watt#Factitious Airs, so I will have a look if I can help. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Reference

Hi, do you have a reference for the pronunciation you added here? Thanks. ElAhrairah ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 18:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Elahrairah. I can try and find one. Or you may be able to? I was basing my addition on the numerous radio, television and YouTube pieces on Rees-Zammit that I have heard over the past 12 months. The BBC commentary on the Grand Slam decider yesterday, would be a case in point. Do you know of anything different? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Here's an example. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Rescheduled Round 3 match

Champion leeks

Hogg tartan

The permutations are fairly straightforward, but for clarity:

If France win by less than 20 points, Wales are Champions, and England 5th.

If France win by over 20 points and score at least 4 tries, France are Champions and England 5th.

If Scotland win, Wales are Champions and England 5th.

If it’s a draw, Wales are Champions and England 5th.

If France win by 20 and score 5 tries, the championship is shared and England are 5th.

Woooo, 23–27. What a final match. Excellent refereeing from Wayne Barnes. A great effort from both sides. Another win in the final gruelling moments. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Wedgie

I just can't believe that that article exists – and it's been around for 15 years. Inanity triumphs again. (Not that I'm opposed to inanity per se.) – Sca (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, comforting isn't it. I see you have your own wedge over in the colonies. Meanwhile, here's another nice wedge for you. Might even be a monkey there! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I prefer the wedgie combo. – Sca (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

.... first the huge Suez wedgie, and now "Captain of the "Ever Given" painted a penis in the sea". Schoolboy humour abounds! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Balls! – Sca (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

You just have to have a poke don't you?! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused

about infoboxes. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure you're not alone. Some people find them quite horrible. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you be a bit more specific? Because it really matters for what. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah no! Deepfried! You've managed to flush out one of the hostile natives from the bushes, beating her relentless box drum!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern for 25 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh go on then Incredibly beautiful! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The FAC is open, and they complain about over-linking. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

El C, how is this link? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh well. You don't always see oboes da caccia in an orchestra, do you? Even for JSB. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Are oboes da caccia a kind of pasta dish? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Your're thinking of blinis. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yes! Cheers! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

now the music even made it to FA --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Radio fun post

I deleted it because it was by a banned user. --Viennese Waltz 13:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah I see. Your edit summary was a very successful trap, it seems! And your last one is a bit cryptic too! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I'm guilty of assuming everyone knows what I'm talking about. VXFC stands for Vote (X) For Change, which is the username of the permanently banned user. --Viennese Waltz 13:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, that rings a bell. Thanks for reminding me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

New satellite image

Hello Martin-- please check the talk page of the satellite image of the ship in the Suez. I have some concerns about it. (I will be away from my computer and won't be available for a few hours to discuss.) Regards, Kablammo (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

What's the problem? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

That's the same question the captain of the ship asked. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Yes, mercifully, the captain has not been named. Poor guy. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Kablammo. It seems that image is currently coyvio. It has been taken from Twitter. It's clearly marked "MAXAR" and is credited to Maxar Technologies here. So I best take it out. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kablammo:, I have opened a discussion, at Commons, here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Removal of descriptions

Martin, Have you seen this?
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I just did. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Now watching the magnificent Handel's Messiah from English National Opera, thanks to BBC Two: [10], [11] "Celebrated soloists including countertenor Iestyn Davies and mezzo-soprano Christine Rice are joined by rising stars Nadine Benjamin, Anthony Gregory, Nardus Williams, John Findon, William Thomas and Benson Wilson, while the conductor is renowned Handel expert Laurence Cummings." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Russia's greatest love machine

Quite good actually. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, comrade. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, as in... "Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peckers"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Powis Castle

'Cloud-Clipped' Yew Hedge at Powis Castle

Hope the expansion pleases. The lead needs work, to fully summarise it, and I should lift more from the Pevsner, but it passed a pleasant Easter in lockdown. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 11:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

A great improvement, KJP. Well done! What's the general view on Galleries these days? Many garden photos to choose from in Commons. I visited about 10 years ago while staying in Llangollen. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

The view now on Architecture articles is that galleries are very acceptable. I was slightly disappointed by the range, there don’t appear to be any Good Pictures in the set, and the few of the interiors are poor. I believe the NT doesn’t allow interior photography. But there are some very nice ones. Add with gusto!

p.s. To my shame, I’ve never been! KJP1 (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

The clipped yew is quite amazing. Like something out of Middle Earth. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Looks like it might have been designed by Čiurlionis. – Sca (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

A great pioneering art nouveau and abstract artist. I am a big fan of his chocolate period. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

A devotee of Čurly Wurlies, are you? – Sca (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Of course. And the Čurly Wurlie Girlionis Method! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I once had curly hair. Now I just have old hair. Unexpectedly, I've developed a fondness for hats.

Haha. "Along for the ride are Little Cats A, B and C, who discover there’s wonder in nature once their electronic devices are powered off!" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. did Martin Short really sing in that??

Two Nocturns from Mūza Rubackytė:​ VL183 and Vl178. Magical stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Labai gražu. And I haven't seen those dreamy sailboats before.
I've always been partial to "In the Forest." – Sca (talk) 19:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, a lovely piece. Sorry, but my Lithuanian is a bit rusty. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Wossamotta U? Twelve nominative declensions and 10 cases too much for a Welch speaker? – Sca (talk) 15:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Evidently. Welch?? I still find it hard to get my tongue round all of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The Bourgeois Blues

Heya. The Bourgeois Blues is a magnet for people to add trivia related to "X artist covered the song". It seems that the Ry Cooder version was added to the lead by a drive-by IP. I have been trying for the past few years to trim the trivia but I missed this one. --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 15:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I see. Perhaps a better (secondary) source could be found that would establish notability of the Cooder version. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The Telegraph / The Daily Telegraph

Hi there, just a quick note according the wiki article and the online version its self the publication seems to simply be called The Telegraph when in reference to its online version. The Daily Telegraph seems to be its in-print name. The "London" bit is just to disambiguate it from the other publications called The Telegraph (not too fussed just wanted to note/explain). Thanks for helping update/maintain the article regardless.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 22:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I get confused over website=/ work=/ publisher=, and the format appropriate for each. I had never seen "[[The Telegraph (London)|The Telegraph]]" used before. I assume all of the news sources at that article are to web articles, so I guess we need to be consistent across all. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

p.s. that DAB page suggest it should be Telegraph.co.uk (although why the upper case "T", I don't know). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Per Template:Cite web Website and work I believe are identical and are aliases of each other. Publisher is company, organization or other legal entity that publishes the work being cited very often the owner. For example website=[[IGN]]|publisher=[[Ziff Davis]] Though often redundant when they have similiar names like: website=[[The New York Times]]|publisher=[[The New York Times Company]]. So is it okay if I change it back to The Telegraph for the website parameter as that is the name of the online website/work.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 15:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for that. I guess in the internet age newspapers want to shed the "daily" straight-jacket. This is why the Daily Mail transforms into the "Mail Online". But the same old rubbish (only worse). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Great, no problem. Yeah that makes sense, I sadly do not get the reference though :/.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 18:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'd go with Telegraph.co.uk. But whatevs. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Farewell him big fella belong Mrs Queen

Farewell big fella

Almost the full century. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Wow today I learned.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 18:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

If anyone deserves to attend the funeral, it might be these guys. But I'm pretty sure 30 members of family could easily be found. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Of course, we've got our own "god-like spiritual figure" to worship, haven't we. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. "It Is 'He'" – Jai Sri Jimbo/Philipo. JG66 (talk) 17:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, josticks and kaftans all round. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, okay, he did inspire that Veririchi-Lotsamoney-Yogi-Bear nonsense ... Some decent music too, though. JG66 (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

And some great jet aircraft engines. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, don't start on that jet aircraft business (doo-oo-oo-oo-oo, etc) – it's clearly a De Havilland balsa-wood model! JG66 (talk) 17:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Well I'm off to Spain! (.... don't shoot me I'm only the article editor). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

No, not that Fernando. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about the musty incense in your eyes. Me, I've been to Heathrow, I've been to Gatwick (I've travelled this wide world all over, over, over) ... and it's definitely a De Havilland. JG66 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Am hoping it will all be gone with the wind: [12] Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Prince Philip devotees on Vanuatu hold mourning ceremony in his honour nagualdesign 22:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Ooh. A bit of a scoop there for The Daily Torygraph? Or maybe the poor guys on Tanna are just overrun at the moment. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Neither sighing but life everlasting: Kontakion - Sir Walter Parratt (1841–1924). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for helping with his music. I try to stick to an article a day, but today Jubilate Deo (Britten), William Lovelady and Psalm 104, because he commissioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you too for those. Yes William Lovelady was really most intriguing. For me the Parratt was unsurpassed and the most moving part of the entire service. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

YT of Lovelady, Jubilate --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it was captioned "Jubilate in C". Also the BBC's Order of Service doesn't give the hymn name "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" but just the tune name Melita. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

2021 Grand National

Hi Martin, I have the colours for 1, 3 & 4 finishers yesterday (see my sandbox)- the 2nd place was owned by a new syndicate "Racehorse Club" with crazy colours [13] I don't see on commons, do you know anyone smart enough to make these kind of things. Thanks for updating (and defending the posting of) this article JW 1961 ^Talk 12:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Joseywales1961, any relation to Clint?? I wish I did know someone. After seeing that there are a total of 11,179 media images listed at Commons Cat:Racing silks, I decided I didn't know how to search them efficiently or create any new ones if required. I guess our best bet would be to locate the editor(s) who created/ added the same at 2019 Grand National. As for the ITN nom, yes I know it's best to have a "prose description" (which is essential a summary of the entire radio/TV commentary) but the essential bits are which horses and jockeys ran and which horses and jockeys won? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

No relation, ha (just one of my favourite films). I went through the cat on commons so I'll try and contact some from previous years (or maybe a file uploader in that cat) Thanks JW 1961 ^Talk 13:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

April corner

wild garlic

Yesterday's Main page was beautiful. Can you tell me something about the setting of Psalm 115 mentioned here, #24, and the Mozart connection? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it did look nice. Especially the Red-billed streamertail. But whatever can I tell you? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't know ;) The composer set Psalm 115? CXV? In Welsh? What has Mozart to do with it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Yesterday, I liked the Schlosspark best, and the role model, by playing one role. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, Non nobis says "There are surviving copies of the Non nobis Domine canon in the hands of both Mozart and Beethoven." No WAM mentioned at John Owen (Owain Alaw). But beyond that, I have no idea! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

We don't look for the canon but a Psalm setting in Welsh, and I can't do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, here are the words. But as for a Mozartian musical setting, I have no idea. Meanwhile, here's a nice English one (1973, Guildford Cathedral Choir, directed by Barry Rose). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Quite the treasure: [14] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I now opened the other book (IMSLP). The piece in question is on p. 140, which is p. 144 of the pdf, and it's music in B-flat major labeled Mozart, but I don't know the piece. I guess he translated some psalm words to Welsh to match the music. Doesn't look like 18 verses to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh well done, Gerda! Wherever did "Mozart" come from? I wonder if there is a Mozart scholar here who might know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I think Owen just took a Mozart piece and put the words to it. - for you with thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for Olena Tokar. I will enjoy something nice from there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

On this day in 1742, He was despised was performed for the first time, and when I wrote it in 2012, I didn't only think of Jesus. Andreas Scholl sang that for us, - you are invited to a Baroque stroll. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. Ah yes, Brühl! A fine actor. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Eric Corbett helped with the singer, DYK? Over which he contemplated to use his real name. Why do we despise such exquisite editors? Hillbilly, Poeticbent, PumpkinSky, now RexxS ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Gosh, a polite conversation. Yes, he was right, it was foolish. I'm sure people must have written essays about the social psychology of wiki usernames(?) A nice article though. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Further down same page, and by then Eric, he told me "chin up", and Hillbilly gave me a poem and a tree, and I felt much less despised. listen perhaps? - I found the recording by Scholl also, but it's awfully soft. DYK that I took the lead image and some of the others? Once - shortly before the Messiah performance - I chatted with his wife during intermission of a concert standing in line for the loo ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Verily, verily, I say unto you. We are none of us worthy to touch even the hem of Gerda's flowing choral robes, even as she passes by. lol. But thank you for Scholl with Les Arts Florissants.... unspeakably wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Now should I take that to my blushing corner? Or just reply with the Weizenkorn? My first (of two) concert singing with Scholl (and then his sister also) was the Matthew Passion, when I stood almost next to him. Unforgettable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Very probably. [15]. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking care early - from 2013 - of an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude! From the start to the Main page in 15 years ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me! Collegium Vocale Gent with Philippe Herreweghe from 2011: [16]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

A great Psalm. And talking of profound passages, I guess PTG and David Conner have cornered the market in "Consider the rainbow, and bless the One who made it" for a while. But of course, it's not Ecclesiastes (which only goes up to Chapter 12, not 43). It's Ecclesiasticus, which doesn't even appear in my RSV! Am surprised this unconventional choice drew such little comment. Or indeed any. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

today: Charmes recorded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Today was another concert live but without audience - Yeats Fergus in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

День Космонавтики

"I am a rocket, the power of a system.."

Oi!! Happy Yuri's Night !! [17] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

«Это Москва говорит, все радиопередатчики в СССР работают. мы получили новости от государственного информационного агентства ТАСС о первом в мире полете человека в космос.»

Glad you're back, v 2.o

Because Argumentum ad baculum just cracked me up and I truly needed the laugh this morning. JSFarman (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Am very pleased to hear that. thank you so much. I must admit that I originally misread it as Argumentum ad bacterium. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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• "Everybody's got a thing, B-bot. But some don't know how to handle it." Don't you worry B-bot 'bout a thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Indo sub

Perhaps it was floundering around before it foundered? – Sca (talk) 13:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Finding "parts of the torpedo tube straightener, cover for coolant pipings..", and its disappearance just after a live torpedo firing, does not sound too good. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

That's the way things go with a 40-year-old Unterseeboot, I guess. They probably got a deal on it. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Or should it be "found sunken" – you be the judge. – Sca (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, they located it. Not sure it's really been "found", as such: [18] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Have you seen the video, shot on board weeks before the loss? – Sca (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I had not seen that. That's very poignant indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

They were just guys, like guys everywhere. – Sca (talk) 01:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. But unfortunate there were 53 guys, not just the designed-for 34. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:44, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Yacht rock as a genre

Mr. Evans, I'm puzzled by your behavior. Is it possible for you to explain it? What do you hope to accomplish by using one of Wikipedia's more fascistic tactics, hiding the interaction between two people because you dislike it? You have this pretty picture of an angel on your Talk page and some sweet nothings about peace. Are you hoping the lion and lamb will lie down together in this world? I see little evidence of that, Father Evans, in this world, in this life, the one we interact with using our five senses.. If you had taken the time and effort to analyze the situation, rather than lazily dismissing it as "bickering" and a pox on both your houses, you would know whom to point your judgemental finger at. Dan is a net minus, not a net plus, to Wikipedia, and he has been that far way for a very long time. In your attempt to place some kind of arbitrary blame on both of us, you have ignored Dan's form of communication, which includes:

• "Forgiveness and compassion don't seem to be too American either"
• "Dude, go out and get laid"
• "Or find a real job where you can actually make a difference. It's not the end of the world, or your world (i.e. America)"
• "I don't care. No one cares. No one cares about what you think because you're belittling anyone who disagrees with your point of view"
• "All your doing with comments like that one are creeping me out and embarrassing yourself"
• "Those are false equivalencies, and a puritanical outlook"
• "It's not a personal attack. And your response is still puritanical. Your point is irrelevant"
• "It is more of an observation than an insult or a compliment, unlike your reasoning, which insults my intelligence"
• "Another observation: being patronizing, or projecting your insecurities about content discussion onto me, will not expedite your desired change. Your comments are way too long, complicated
• You're the only one giving speeches and personal essays"
• "It's too late to make nice; he has completely turned me off with his incessant, myopic bloviating, anal rigidity and condescending, hypocritical remarks from the get-go, all of which I suspect are products of his obsession with removing a superficial project banner (that seems incredibly precious to him) and have blinded him from comprehending the basics of guidelines and policy-based arguments; one simply should not argue in the manner he has; it is unreadable and off-putting. I'm glad I'm not alone anymore to be driven crazy by his behavior, but I have no more patience for him on this matter."

If you really wanted to help, you would take the initiative and get this creature removed from Wikipedia.
Vmavanti (talk) 11:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mr Vanti. I make no pretence at divinity. I thought, and continue to think, that the "exchange" at Talk:Aja (album) has no place at a Wikipedia article Talk page. Very sorry if you feel hurt in some way. I honestly think your "discussion" there and/or your grievances against another editor, need to be taken to a different venue. Rest assured I won't be editing that thread again. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. but thanks for pointing out I'm lazy.

I like to fancy myself a god of sorts, and solemnly declare, anything that rocketh upon the land shall indeed rock on a yacht. But so too shall ye lose the verily low end to the heavens, rocking open-air on any deck, so lo, no! Now is not the time to play outside. Now excuse me. I must judge this creature you speak of, accordingly, per mine own great whims and mysteriously lazy pace. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Why are you butting in? You think you're funny, but you're not.
Vmavanti (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me. Are you retrospectively butting in before me? Or is it after? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for those kind words of comfort, Your Great Infallibleness. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. you think you're funny, yes and you always stay the distance.

"Very sorry if you feel hurt" is dismissive rather than analytical. It isn't about my feelings or anyone else's. I don't care if you contribute to the thread. It isn't the discussion that is a problem. It's Dan's behavior. You could make a difference—if you wanted to. I have seen no comments, other than my inchoate analysis, about why it's acceptable to use this offensive, false term "yacht rock" all across Wikipedia. The point of Wikipedia is to provide facts, not to put down the subjects of articles. People who use this term think they are being cute, but it's dumb. The same kind of thing in other contexts stirs paroxysms of fake moral outrage and selective indignation. Nope, not here. If it's the old red herring about protocol and location ("How dare you to talk to me on my Talk page!"), then where should this subject be addressed?
Vmavanti (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Oi, Inedible... take that, limey yacht lover

I absolve that beautiful creature you hated, not even kidding. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Seems you're not a huge fan of yachting, then. Do you see yourself as "the lamb" or "the lion" in this particular exchange? Thanks. "Father" Evans 123 (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

British periphrasis and circumlocution are my favorite forms of stupidity, avoidance, and cowardice.
Vmavanti (talk) 13:05, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps we can agree that The Sound of Music wasn't yacht rock. Am tending towards lion, but happy to take a second opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

If I had a yacht, this would be heard loud and clear. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

(just in case) ... I mean, yeah, John Coltrane, but goodness, McCoy Tyner. Full blast on my yacht! ---Sluzzelin talk 23:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know about the ranty-vanti stuff, Martin, but I have to take issue with your comment "I make no pretence at divinity". I mean: It is He! – Jai Sri Martin!! (or Martini perhaps, yacht rocking and all). JG66 (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

As you know, I'm always up for a "vicars and tarts". You can get some yacht rock at its finest: [19] --"Le Bon Father" 123 (talk) 13:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I know you are, Father Bon-Mots, I know – just as I gather the Lord loves the one that loves the yacht!

Out of interest, is that Wings album London Town yacht rock? It was partly recorded on a yacht, by a rock band, and waterways appear in the cover art. Problem is, the album's often described as soft rock ... so: "Soft yacht rock"? – perhaps the genre's developed and widened in scope? This just seemed the place to raise the point, here at YR Central, that's all. I don't know, I don't know ... JG66 (talk) 14:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Macca on a barge? Sounds a bit dingy to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. this yacht stuff is all a bit much, isn't it...

At least there's a cafe on the left bank, apparently. It's a shame that InedibleHulk set sail with HMS Aja. a) I thought they were funny too; b) they might've been able to shed some light on this confounded yachtie rock thing. Perhaps I'm just wearing the wrong shoes. JG66 (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so! But in any case, daahrling, you'd need a scarf that was apricot? Simon Carly 123 (talk) 15:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking about going a-yachtin' – and indeed, a-yacht-rockin' – in this sort of get-up ... no? See, I'll never get the hang of this genre. JG66 (talk) 15:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

"Come on baby, let me take you." Yacht-a-billy? Yacht Dance, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC) ... or maybe Doo-Yacht-Wop?

now, imagine it without a yacht. But you know, we were happy in those days ... The overwhelming emotion of hearing Toto's "Africa" remixed to sound like it's playing in an empty mall ---Sluzzelin talk 20:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

"We never had a cup. We used to drink out of a rolled up newspaper." A great mix there - Brian would be thrilled. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm really offended that this guy keeps calling me Dan. That wasn't even my real name. isento (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

You mean it is now? You poor thing, although I am a bit surprised you've not been site-banned yet. You two playmates really oughta bury the hatchet? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Worse has happened in the world. isento (talk) 16:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

да ты не шутишь! Pop Evanski 123 (talk) 17:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Wow @ all those quotes at the top 😂 ... I must not be a "net-minus". Might be why I haven't been site-banned. At least one of the reasons ... isento (talk) 04:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

JG66, I'll try to be clear. First, I'm not "them", just one man/child/deity. Second, I can't define yacht rock precisely, but it's somewhere between wuss rock (as heard in department stores) and butt rock (formerly headlining cruise ships). Third, I didn't so much set sail as fall asleep; if you've heard "Sail Away" from Fraggle Rock, though, you know moon shoes, deck shoes and fuzzy bunny slippers fit about the same. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

And before anyone files a hate speech complaint, I love quite a bit of butt rock and wuss rock! It's the fusion hits I deem "weak-ass noise". Some streams were never meant to cross over. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Full steam ahead !! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Not here, I see "Video unavailable" (and "Captain of Yo"). InedibleHulk (talk) 08:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, ok then.... Full steam ahead !! (I'm sure you'll be able to find your own copyvio version on YachT-watch). Was never a hit over on your side, I think. But great "foghorn, ship's bell and Morse code" and "psychedelic treatments including electric sitar, backwards piano, filtered vocals and phasing"! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I found the band on Spotify. Under 3,000 monthly listeners, nice! Can't find that song, but "I Can Hear The Rain" and "I Can Tell" this ain't rock at all, it's a ballroom blitz. Catchy, this next one, she kissed him on Thursday. Don't strike your link, though, other limeys can probably watch it! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, they stole "Be My Baby", that's Eddie Money's job! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

YT here in UK is currently showing four different uploads of the original by Reparata and the Delrons. The one I posted looked copyright compliant. But then we don't spend every other day suing the pants off each other? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I haven't tried my Tube yet, could have a copy or two. If your link was from the legit owners, it could be a licensing deal. They like to regionalize us on Earth, for some reason. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

It's just uploaded under "Reparata and the Delrons - Topic", but clearly states "Provided to YouTube by Sony Music CG". I'm currently having a discussion about this with Ojorojo at Talk:Wang Dang Doodle, if you are interested. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense; Sony Music is big over here, but there's simply no such thing as Sony Music CG. Google indicates it's very Euro, if anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, that's interesting. Regardless of copyright, adding YT links that just don't work in some countries will be a bit of a waste of time and just a source of frustration. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Sadly, yes, for some niche songs. Go global or go home! You could add them with a fair warning for some readers, though, parenthetical or whatnot (your Wang Dang Doodle is showing from here). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Put that wang dang doodle away right now, and zip up your pants! --Tryptofish (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

"I wangle when I doodle, 'cos my dangle is a poodle". Clevor Trever 123 (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Else have a central location where proposed YT links could be vetted both for copyvio and global access? Of course some folks don't really want a pristine encyclopaedia sullied with "social meejah". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC) ... as long as it's not My Ding-a-Ling that's showing, I don't care.

Any right granted from plain old UMG or BMG is probably good everywhere we're "sold", but our own copyright rules can be confusing, even then. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I guess. Of course the "other" problem is, just like BIG PHARMA, YT is seen by many as BIG MUSO. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

We at BIG ED should warmly welcome other sectors' worldwide monopolies, as long as we're not driving traffic to stuffy academic videos or free trials for pills said to treat or prevent "brain fag". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

We at BIG FAG warmly welcome other sectors' worldwide drug monopolies, as long as they're not trying to make an encyclopaedia SO DULL that everyone has a BIG SLEEP. --"Pile M. High" 123 (talk) 06:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

John Keats

I trust you, Martin! Go ahead and write it as you feel it's best. Brian Bmcln1 (talk) 11:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad someone does. lol. No worries. I'll try and have a go at summarising that Reception stuff. It's not a big deal really. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC) p.s. alas, I'm always reminded of the "Famous First Draft" of "Ode to a Nightingale" in Tits 'n Bums: A Weekly Look at Church Architecture!

Talk

Thanks much for your pointed comments.
What Arschlöcher some people are. – Sca (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Lol. And I thought they were pointless comments. How dare you come here, to this sacred Talk page, with your collegial waste of editors' time!! --Song Dong Ding Dong123 (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm amazed at how that turned out. A soft answer turneth away wrath? – Sca (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes indeed. That was a real breath of fresh air. Very good of him. If only more editors could be like that, the encyclopaedia would be much happier place. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC) [20]

Hey, I've been meaning to ask: Have you climbed Yr Wyddfa lately? – Sca (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

It's been a few years! But I'm sure that story will not have escaped the attention of User:Hogyn Lleol. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

(You're correct there!) Hogyn Lleol (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

And on that subject, Everest isn't known by its Tibetan name, Chomolungma, meaning goddess mother of the world. Its name comes from Colonel Sir George Everest, a surveyor-general of India He was born in Crickhowell.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe it will be Denali-ized? – Sca (talk) 14:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I can safely say I've managed to scale the main bar of Bear Hotel, Crickhowell without oxygen or crampons. (But ok, yes, I did need three sherpas to bring me down). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

In any case, I think it's silly naming a mountain after a celebrity photographer. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Or a musician whose only instrument is a whistle. – Sca (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. But up there it can give you a legal advantage? Martinevans123 (talk)

UK Singles Chart

Hi Which page are you talking about? Benriggers (talk)

Um, your last one was here, but today you've made abut 100 other similar ones? Also UK Albums Chart? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm lost for words... can you help?

Hi Martin, I hope that you're well - it's been a while since I've been in touch. Any idea about how to respond here - other than by promising to replace every single personal pronoun used in the Wikipedia project prior to, say, 2018? Talk:Lunch_atop_a_Skyscraper#Gender_identity_of_the_people_in_the_photo Best wishes, Jez JezGrove (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jez, great to hear from you. Also hope all's well with you. I would have thought that, in 1932, men were allowed to express their true gender identity... by becoming construction workers on the 30 Rockefeller Plaza skyscraper. But who knows. I also think it's unlikely there'll ever be "sources that prove how they gender identified". Even if there were, I'm not sure how that might be relevant to their job as ironworkers. We could probably assume Gusti Popovič was a real post-card writing married man (he was after all, a lumberjack). But who knows about Joseph Eckner, Joe Curtis, Natxo Moneta, or cigar-smoking Matty O'Shaughnessy... or the six others who's names we don't seem to even know. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Timely?

Masters of War (1963) [21] [22]

Live: [23] [24]

– Sca (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Sca. That May 1998 San Jose clip quite excellent. And after 35 years, not quite so freewheeling. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

May corner

Today: Thomas Fritsch, the German character voice of Diego in Ice Age, + unrelated music for fun --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Do not change Latin to English

Do not change the Latin word mansio to the English word mansion. They have different meanings and link to different articles. 173.18.56.34 (talk) 04:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, IP 173. You're quite right. Only "likely" to be the source of the English word mansion, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. Some lovely images. I found this excerpt from the Vivaldi No.6 Bb, with Silva Manfrè at the organ of the Piaristenkirche St. Thekla in Vienna (2010): [25] There's a beautifully light and airy "L’Ange gardien" by César Franck, from just last Christmastide, at her Facebook site which I think you might enjoy: [26]. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, - friend cellist (and subject of my first article) and friend organist picked the same first movement (and the second), - new to me. Will add YT to sonatas article which was sadly undeveloped. Sad job: update article of another soprano who died (possibly I heard her but don't remember), then write about orchestra of conductor who died (sure I went to concerts with him). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

sorry, don't find the guardian angel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

A Guardian Angel?? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

that's great, thank you, but I meant "L’Ange gardien" mentioned above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah. It's really nice. Susanne Ebenbauer: Soprano; Pia Ernstbrunner, Alto. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe you, but can't find it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Ha. How very odd. Can you see her Facebook page here? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I can se this facebook page and the other, but no "ange". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

She posted it on 16 December 2020.You can search for "Franck" on that page. It's also in her "Latest videos" list. 😃 Martinevans123 (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

finally ;) - thanks for your patience, and beautiful --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

"Come on you Krauts!!" (only joking....) Tony Crows 123 (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

A sterling performance. Poor Germany got truly caned. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

McAfee

Couldn't you have worked vainglorious in there somewhere? But perhaps verisimilitude would be the real challenge in his case. – Sca (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I had toyed with "volatile and vexatious valetudinarian self-vanquishing veteran". But thought it was a bit too verbose. Not to say frightfully vulgar.Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Matt Hancock

"It's red hot, mate. I hate to think of this sort of encyclopaedia getting in the wrong hands. As soon as I've finished this, I shall recommend they ban it." [1]

Please keep your opinions to yourself when editing articles. The policy on biographies of living people applies to edit summaries as much as it applies anywhere else across Wikipedia. Your co-operation in this matter will be appreciated. Mjroots (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that you feel the need to blank an edit summary and make such a blunt request here. I don't make a habit of such political comments. I'm not sure you'd be able to find another in my 177,265 edits. My opinion of Hancock has dropped far lower than I even thought possible. Yes, I think he's a hypocrite. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I rarely find myself agreeing with Boris-Not-Good-Enuf, but "totally fucking hopeless" doesn't seem quite so outrageous, IMHO.

Martin, you were reported an WP:AN. Whatever we feel about certain people (don't get me started on the Milk Snatcher)), if they are living or recently deceased then BLP applies and we need to keep our emotions in check. As you are an experienced editor generally in good standing, I considered the above reminder would be sufficient without then need to take it any further. FWIW, I think that Hancock should resign, and I hope he will be gone by the end of June. Mjroots (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

"Mj", I applaud your diligence in an administrative capacity. Looking forward to my notice of the AN posting ("lol"). I do hope you won't think I'm procrastinating, but unlike all other edits, of course, edit summaries can't be adjusted later, only rev-del'ed, and then only by an Admin? Ah right, "generally in good standing"; it may be time I sat down. You think you need to "take it any further"? I suspect none of this band of incompetent half-wits will be gone for years yet (Government MP's I mean, not Wikipedia Admins). Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a prior engagement in Amsterdam. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Breaking! Hancock resigns. Mjroots (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Either way..... I fear it's Humiliation

Gosh. So, one poor result. One consolation. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

The Room Next Door - Matt Hancock Farewell Special nagualdesign 18:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

My word. That is frightfully amusing. Did someone say glove puppet? "Verily, verily, Dominic, thy Cummings Cup runneth over." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

FTR, I didn't notice because I didn't think action against the editor was necessary (if I did I would've tried ANI); people make occasional off-hand comments. I just felt that the summary needed to be revdelled. Usually I'd request offwiki but IRC is usually a ghost-town at that time. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah cheers, Crasty. It seems my slagging off has brought all the boys to the yard. I love wrestling as much as the next man and I might well have done just the same as you in your shoes. Thanks to Speedy Rootzales over there, my opinion of Hancock "didn't reflect particularly well" on Wikipedia only for 2 hours and 11 minutes. A quick null edit would have knocked it off the top of page history immediately, of course. As that Andrew Neil of GB News said, "In the future, everyone will be a hopeless Tory politician for 30 minutes." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC) p.s. did someone mention a ghost town??

Lol here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 22:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

So, what's all this about someone putting his han on his cock? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Would probably be seen as progress. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Can he play the oboe with his elbow? Or is that a boo-boo? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)