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Human Rights in North Korea
[edit]Hey, just wanted to let you know that you probably should not be marking changes/revisions to articles as 'minor' when they are as substantial as the ones you made to the Human Rights in North Korea article! You should really only label revisions as 'minor' when you are doing something like fixing a spelling error or a capitalization error. As a general rule of thumb if you are adding or altering more than two words you shouldn't be marking your edits as minor! The Way (talk) 06:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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Roman Polanski
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I posted a reply on the Roman Polanski matter in Arbcom: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement_by_Psalm84 Psalm84 (talk) 15:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
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Motion to Revoke Bond
[edit]It's here and here. Could you put my entry back and make the citations for me? I don't know how to make a citation yet. Oops. He reported it missing in 2004, not two weeks after the shooting. That will need to be corrected. Thanks.ArishiaNishi (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ah... if it's being reported that way in multiple RSs, then we should just skip it. Thanks. ArishiaNishi (talk) 09:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Lol, I've been perusing numerous RSs this morning regarding the MRB, and they are not in agreement as to the court's response to the passport(s) allegation. Good call to withhold my entry. ArishiaNishi (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
More reliable sources for you
[edit]I suggest you undo your last edit, (cur | prev) 04:00, 18 June 2012 Psalm84 (talk | contribs) . . (188,670 bytes) (+37) . . (→Zimmerman's initial detention and release: added a phrase saying the info was from an ABC report because there doesn't seem to be any other evidence of it), and include some of these sources if you feel they are needed. More reliable sources for the investigator wanting to charge Z with manslaughter on the day of the incident ArishiaNishi (talk) 05:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- See your Talk page, if you haven't. All the articles refer to the one ABC News article so it's still one source. Psalm84 (talk) 09:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
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[edit]Hello User:Psalm84, are you the creator of this account? If so, you are now able to edit there. I hope his helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Would you please consider defining your position?
[edit]I appreciate your comments regarding inclusion of more information about Martin, in particular the information about his recent suspensions from school. Am I mistaken to observe that you seem more in support of including such information than opposed?
Shooting of Trayvon Martin June 2012
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- This is what occurred, and my latest edit:
- You made major changes to a section, including removing a phone call transcript and revising text. The section had been the way it was with only minor changes for months. I reverted and said it should be discussed first on the talk page.
- Another editor partially reverted my edit, leaving the text changes but restoring the call transcript. You had started the talk discussion, and you reverted that editor, saying it should be discussed first. Your original edit is what should have been discussed first, however. The other editor removed what might be questionable, the text (even though it's been there months), and Talk discussion showed that the transcript was acceptable and another source, Mother Jones, could be given. Since the transcript wasn't objectionable I reverted to the version of the other editor. The consensus on the page seemed to be that the transcript should stay. One editor mentioned that some text added to the transcript, such as noting when sounds of a car door opening are heard, could be removed, but that is the only mention of it. And those things could just be removed, if you object to them. Psalm84 (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm going to post this also to your Talk page. Psalm84 (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've addressed it on the talk page. You reverted the same info back in twice. The fact that there was an intervening edit does not matter. If 1RR is no longer the rule, so be it, but you made these reverts when other editors were right in the middle of discussing it, and you did not even bother commenting on the talk page. You should anticipate that such editing behavior is going to escalate the dispute. Take the time to actually consider my points about the transcript, rather than quickly reverting to your preferred version. Minor4th 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- No, I did not revert the same info twice. I reverted to Avanu's version which is only the transcript and which left your edits. And all the other editors have been for keeping the transcript, saying it's helpful and it isn't OR but WP:TRANSCRIPTION. One said that some added text could come out, but that isn't the same as removing the whole transcript. Psalm84 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- I've addressed it on the talk page. You reverted the same info back in twice. The fact that there was an intervening edit does not matter. If 1RR is no longer the rule, so be it, but you made these reverts when other editors were right in the middle of discussing it, and you did not even bother commenting on the talk page. You should anticipate that such editing behavior is going to escalate the dispute. Take the time to actually consider my points about the transcript, rather than quickly reverting to your preferred version. Minor4th 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm going to post this also to your Talk page. Psalm84 (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
The other editors who were discussing this were in agreement that a different transcript without the commentary and timestamps should replace the one that was in the article. While this was being discussed you reverted and reinserted the same unacceptable transcript in 3 times. By anyone else's definition, those are reverts -- even if one of them was a partial revert. Now you're reverting basically every edit I make -- what's the deal?Minor4th 02:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
See here for [3] examples of my edits your reverted today. Minor4th 02:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- How familiar are you with the different transcripts? As I said on the Talk page, the About.com transcript is taken from Mother Jones. No other editors have objected to its accuracy for as long as it's been in there or since you have been addressing it. No one is objecting to it being back in there now, too. What was agreed with was switching the source to Mother Jones, and it was done. And I re-added the transcript while removing the commentary and the timestamps which you objected to and which aren't part of the Mother Jones transcript.
- "While this was being discussed you reverted and reinserted the same unacceptable transcript in 3 times."
- As I mentioned above, it's not an unacceptable transcript. There haven't been any objections to it. The first revert was when I undid your original edit, explaining that it should be discussed since the transcript and a lot of text were removed and both had been acceptable for a long time. There wasn't any discussion at that point. The second time I restored Avanu's version which you had reverted, and which had only the transcript. And the third time, after you had removed the transcript again, I said that I would re-add the transcript after making the only changes that had support from another editor, about the extra commentary and timestamps, although another editor said they were acceptable.
- On the more recent edits, one was a mistake. It also removed my own edits, too. The other two changes included false information. Another editor has just removed the whole paragraph involving it. In the other case, as I see you know now, Lee didn't take over in January 2011. I also don't agree that how he got the job is irrelevant. It's been reported a lot in connection with this case for a number of reasons. Psalm84 (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Removal of talk page text
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- Thanks for restoring that. I don't know what happened that my edit removed it. Psalm84 (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Christian Right
[edit]I see your editing the Christian Right. Have been doing some reading and wonder if its worth mentioned that those from the Christian Right are generally from rural areas and are less educated. Is this something that is general knowledge?Moxy (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- John A. Clark; Charles L. Prysby (10 September 2004). Southern Political Party Activists: Patterns of Conflict and Change, 1991-2001. University Press of Kentucky. p. 18. ISBN 978-0-8131-3742-1.
- Nicole Mellow (9 April 2008). The State of Disunion: Regional Sources of Modern American Partisanship. JHU Press. p. 110. ISBN 978-0-8018-9646-0.
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[edit]I'm on record saying DRN is basically worthless, and while I don't blame you for it, the DRN about Christian right has gone off the tracks. I'm done with it and I will not be bound by it. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- I just posted a comment there. I don't see any reason to give up on it. This isn't an easy place because people often have very strong views and they're often not polite. It's often not easy to ignore that but it's the best thing to do. Editing won't work any other way. since this is a shared project Experience here so you start to really understand all the rules helps too. Even if something is true it's got to meet all the guidelines to be included. I think in this case the GOP connection is very obvious and strong, it's already strong in the article, and it's well-reported in sources, so it should end up being included. Psalm84 (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I'm unwilling to go into a good-faith discussion when so many have shown bad faith, not mention incivility and personal attacks. If they want my participation, they can redact their nonsense. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- I doubt that will happen. I know what you mean about incivility here, but it's actually not so bad as discussion sites on the internet, where people really say terrible things. One difficulty here is that Christians and probably conservatives too seem to be outnumbered, but at least there are rules here. And many times by discussing things with people you disagree with, even if it's not always polite, you learn things you wouldn't have. Psalm84 (talk) 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- No doubt, there are discussion sites where members are more foul-mouthed. The problem here is that there is selective enforcement of rules against incivility. That's why they spoke elliptically about me instead of just using my name. That's why I can't speak bluntly about their sordid history. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- I doubt that will happen. I know what you mean about incivility here, but it's actually not so bad as discussion sites on the internet, where people really say terrible things. One difficulty here is that Christians and probably conservatives too seem to be outnumbered, but at least there are rules here. And many times by discussing things with people you disagree with, even if it's not always polite, you learn things you wouldn't have. Psalm84 (talk) 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I'm unwilling to go into a good-faith discussion when so many have shown bad faith, not mention incivility and personal attacks. If they want my participation, they can redact their nonsense. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I told you so. DRN is absolutely worthless. The moderators don't prevent personal attacks and they don't follow WP:CLOSE. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 11:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it didn't go as I hoped, it's true, but that's all right. As I wrote there, not that the matter is unimportant, but it's not all-important either. And I gained more experience from it. There are some things I would have done differently myself before and during the DRN, like the volunteer mentioned about trying to suggest a compromise firt, and some things I could have done better, but now I know. Experience with WP does make a difference here, from what I've seen. And, it isn't like the GOP isn't talked about throughout the article. If it wasn't, that would be a very different matter. That would be troubling. It's also not that for many people that the GOP link isn't stated more plainly will matter that much, too, because the connection is in the news so much. All in all, it's not a make or break thing, so the thing I see to do from it is learn and keep going on. Psalm84 (talk) 22:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- No disputes were resolved. Instead, people like Collect decided they had a license to delete most of the article. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I saw that some big changes had been made. But as I said, this has its importance, but it's also not that important, either. If things happened as they did, I believe God has His reasons for it. Articles are also always changing here. There's no finished form. Right now I don't think the changes make the article unacceptable since the important points are still there even if some lesser information has been removed, so I'm going to just see how things go and what changes are made and then see what I think. Psalm84 (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I started rebuilding the decimated article in the face of stiff resistance. I've been using up all of my WP:AGF trying to keep a straight face. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, as I said, I'm going to see what the article is like after these. The articles are a group project, and they often don't turn out that badly even though group projects without an actual leader so often don't. Group projects also aren't that easy, especially when people have very different points of view here, and they do tend to require some compromise. That's what I've found to expect here. Psalm84 (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I started rebuilding the decimated article in the face of stiff resistance. I've been using up all of my WP:AGF trying to keep a straight face. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I saw that some big changes had been made. But as I said, this has its importance, but it's also not that important, either. If things happened as they did, I believe God has His reasons for it. Articles are also always changing here. There's no finished form. Right now I don't think the changes make the article unacceptable since the important points are still there even if some lesser information has been removed, so I'm going to just see how things go and what changes are made and then see what I think. Psalm84 (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- No disputes were resolved. Instead, people like Collect decided they had a license to delete most of the article. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think the group project aspect is the issue. Rather, it seems that there are people who want to exclude material from the article that is absolutely essential. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 23:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think that is an issue with WP. That's why there are sock puppet accounts and things like that. But this a volunteer project that anyone can edit, so there's a tradeoff. Probably many people who do or don't want something in an article really believe what they think is right, and I can't guarantee that everything I think is perfectly right too. Somewhere in the instruction pages here it says to stick as much as possible to discussing the articles and try to avoid talking about the editors and what their motives might be. As hard as that can be sometimes, that seems to be the best solution, especially since we really don't know the other people here. Psalm84 (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'd agree that WP's dispute resolution mechanisms (and not just WP:DRN) are basically broken. It's not just a matter of procedure but of culture. For example, the requirement that we not discuss each other's motives becomes counterproductive when motives are at the heart of the disagreement. At risk of being censured for my honesty, the whole problem with Christian right is that various conservative editors objected to the article being accurate, for purely political reasons. There, I said it. Now shoot me! I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, let's say that's the case. Those people probably believe their opinions are right, don't you think? And people disagreeing with them probably isn't pleasant for them also. Trying to stick to the topic and learning more about the guidelines (which you always have to be doing, I find) may not solve everything, especially right away, but it does work the best here in the long run. Psalm84 (talk) 01:19, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I'd agree that WP's dispute resolution mechanisms (and not just WP:DRN) are basically broken. It's not just a matter of procedure but of culture. For example, the requirement that we not discuss each other's motives becomes counterproductive when motives are at the heart of the disagreement. At risk of being censured for my honesty, the whole problem with Christian right is that various conservative editors objected to the article being accurate, for purely political reasons. There, I said it. Now shoot me! I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.
From the bookshelf
This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.
Did you know...
- ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?
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August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter
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Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.
The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.
Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.
Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.
Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.
Church of the month
This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.
Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.
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HISTORICAL JESUS
What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.
The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.
From the bookshelf
In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.
Did you know...
- ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?
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This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.
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Ichthus April 2018
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Project News
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Belated Happy Easter and Kalo Pascha! We're excited to announce the return of our newsletter Ichthus! Getting this issue out was touch-and-go for a while. Check out what's happening at the Project:
- There was a lively discussion about the Easter Did You Know nomination Christ the Lord is Risen Today
- RFC at Knights of Columbus regarding a question about having Prop 8 in the lead
- In anticipation of being nominated for Featured article, Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was put up for Peer Review by Ltwin
- The death of Billy Graham on February 21 was a profound loss for many. For the Wikipedia reaction see this discussion. Graham received a blurb.
- And... Order of Friars Minor--nominated by Chicbyaccident--is still waiting for a GA reviewer. Please help out if you can.
Achievements
In March the Project saw four articles promoted to GA-Class. They were the oh-so-irresistible Delilah (nom. MagicatthemovieS) (pictured), Edict of Torda (nom. Borsoka), David Meade (author) (nom. LovelyGirl7) and last but not least Black Christmas (2006 film) (nom. Drown_Soda). Black Christmas? How did that get in there lol? Congratulations to all of the nominators for a job well done!
Did You Know
Nominated by The C of E
... that some people know Christ the Lord is risen today from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"
Featured article
Nominated by FutureTrillionaire
Jesus (7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) is the central figure of Christianity, whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God and the awaited Messiah of the Old Testament. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed, although there is little agreement on the reliability of the gospel narratives and how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish preacher from Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate. Christians generally believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, from which he will return. The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three Persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural. In Islam, Jesus is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah. (Full article...)
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Ichthus: May 2018
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Project News
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Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Wikipedia community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Wikipedia's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Wikipedia's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.
The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Wikipedia community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by Brisvegas and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. The Transhumanist has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Wikipedia's system of 1,515 portals.
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Achievements
Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by Borsoka, Jim Bakker nom. by LovelyGirl7, Ralph Abernathy nom. by Coffee and Psalm 84 nom. by Gerda_Arendt. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!
Featured article
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Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five—Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian—were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. (more...)
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"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"
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Project news
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Here are discussions relevant to the Project:
- Liberty University has an RFC regarding the university's relationship with President Trump; see discussion
- Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
- United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion
The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by Gog the Mild, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by Finnusertop. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
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Did You Know
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... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?
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The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. (Full article...)
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Ichthus: July 2018
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The Top 7 report
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The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
- Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
- Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
- Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
- Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
- Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"
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... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn "Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?
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List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.
Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. (more...)
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The sad news was the 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Louis XIV of France – a monarch of the House of Bourbon who reigned as King of France. He did say, "Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful."
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
- Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
- Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
- Martin Luther King Jr. –" There are three urgent and indeed great problems that we face not only in the United States of America but all over the world today. That is the problem of racism, the problem of poverty and the problem of war."
- Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.
... that the first attempt to build the Holy Trinity Cathedral of the Alexander Nevsky Lavra resulted in the demolition of the nearly completed structure?
Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral is a Gothic Revival three-spire cathedral in the city of Cork, Ireland. It belongs to the Church of Ireland and was completed in 1879. The cathedral is located on the south side of the River Lee, on ground that has been a place of worship since the 7th century, and is dedicated to Finbarr of Cork, patron saint of the city. It was once in the Diocese of Cork; it is now one of the three cathedrals in the Church of Ireland Diocese of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, in the ecclesiastical province of Dublin. Christian use of the site dates back to a 7th-century AD monastery, which according to legend was founded by Finbarr of Cork. The entrances contain the figures of over a dozen biblical figures, capped by a tympanum showing a Resurrection scene.
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A suicide attack on July 11th claimed by Islamic State (IS) near a church in the Syrian city of Qamishli shows that Christians remain a major target of the terror group. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
- Elena Cornaro Piscopia – was a Venetian philosopher of noble descent who in 1678 became one of the first women to receive an academic degree from a university, and the first to receive a Doctor of Philosophy degree. In 1669, she translated the Colloquy of Christ by Carthusian monk Lanspergius from Spanish into Italian.
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
- Bob Dylan – American singer-songwriter, author, and visual artist. " Take care of all your memories. For you cannot relive them."
- Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
- Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.
... that The Vision of Dorotheus is one of the earliest examples of Christian hexametric poetry?
When God Writes Your Love Story: The Ultimate Approach to Guy/Girl Relationships is a 1999 book by Eric and Leslie Ludy, an American married couple. After becoming a bestseller on the Christian book market, the book was republished in 2004 and then revised and expanded in 2009. It tells the story of the authors' first meeting, courtship, and marriage. The authors advise single people not to be physically or emotionally intimate with others, but to wait for the spouse that God has planned for them.
The book is divided into five sections and sixteen chapters. Each chapter is written from the perspective of one of the two authors; nine are by Eric, while Leslie wrote seven, as well as the introduction. The Ludys argue that one's love life should be both guided by and subordinate to one's relationship with God. Leslie writes that God offers new beginnings to formerly unchaste or sexually abused individuals.
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- Dolly Parton - an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music.
Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: " I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything." - Harriet Tubman - an American abolitionist and political activist. Born into slavery, she escaped and made some missions to rescue enslaved people, using the network of antislavery activists and Underground Railroads. During the American Civil War, she served as an armed scout, spy for the Union Army.
- Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
- ... that St. Charles College in Louisiana was the first Jesuit college established in the southern United States?
- ... that the ancient Jewish text of Perek Shirah asserts that spiders and rats praise God using verses from Psalm 150?
Being a Ghost Story of Christmas, commonly known as A Christmas Carol, is a novella by Charles Dickens, first published in London by Chapman & Hall in 1843 and illustrated by John Leech. The book is divided into five chapters, which Dickens titled "staves". A Christmas Carol recounts the story of Ebenezer Scrooge, an elderly miser who is visited by the ghost of his former business partner Jacob Marley and the spirits of Christmas Past, Present and Yet to Come. After their visits, Scrooge is transformed into a kinder, gentler man. (more...)
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The Top 3 most-popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Pope Benedict XVI – retired prelate of the Catholic Church who served as head of the Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 2005 until his resignation.
- Pope Francis – the head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first from the Southern Hemisphere, and the first pope from outside Europe since the Syrian Gregory III, who reigned in the 8th century.
- Dolly Parton – an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: "I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."
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- Hi. I see you reverted my edit. The reason why I reverted your edit and left no reason was due to a problem with the Wikipedia editing software. I did leave an explanation, but it was apparently too long, so it was cut off without my realizing it. I was starting an explanation on the Talk page when you wrote. And by the way, on the Talk page is an old explanation for why contributions based on the Guardian article you cited aren't up to Wikipedia standards. Much of what was explained still applies, and the new contribution didn't solve those problems. And despite adding a "second" source, it's not a second source.
On your edit to the Lee Soon Ok page, it has no place in Wikipedia for several reasons, which I will put on the Talk page. Overall, it completely violates numerous rules, including WP:BLP, WP:BLPBALANCE, WP:BLPGOSSIP, WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE, and WP:FRINGE.
1. From WP:BLP
Note this first:
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My comment: While re-published at the Guardian, the original publisher in NK News, and this is the opinion of merely one writer. She offers mere opinions of a few people, and not actual evidence. She also doesn't attempt to contact any of the people she writes about, and she doesn't offer possible alternate opinions. This piece is really rumor mongering.
2. WP:BLPBALANCE
"Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of small minorities should not be included at all. Care must be taken with article structure to ensure the overall presentation and section headings are broadly neutral. Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association, and biased, malicious or overly promotional content."
My comment: That entire contribution relies on one writer and ONE article, and the author has written what is clearly an opinion article, and as I said above, she doesn't attempt to talk to the people involved. In her short mention of Lee, she offers no hard evidence to counter Lee's story. And Lee herself says she was charged with economic crimes. That's not her point. She's never disputed that. She says she was falsely accused and then tortured and threatened until she confessed.
3. WP:BLPGOSSIP
"Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject. Be wary of relying on sources that use weasel words and that attribute material to anonymous sources."
4. WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE
"Many Wikipedia articles contain material on people who are not well known, even if they are notable enough for their own article. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability, focusing on high-quality secondary sources. Material published by the subject may be used, but with caution (see § Using the subject as a self-published source, above). Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care; in many jurisdictions, repeating a defamatory claim is actionable, and there are additional protections for subjects who are not public figures."
5. WP:FRINGE
"In Wikipedia parlance, the term fringe theory is used in a very broad sense to describe an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. Because Wikipedia aims to summarize significant opinions with representation in proportion to their prominence, a Wikipedia article should not make a fringe theory appear more notable or more widely accepted than it is. Statements about the truth of a theory must be based upon independent reliable sources. If discussed in an article about a mainstream idea, a theory that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight,[1] and reliable sources must be cited that affirm the relationship of the marginal idea to the mainstream idea in a serious and substantial manner."
This is also a major issue. The edit made from the Guardian/NK News is fringe. There isn't a body of secondary sources that supports it, even as a legitimate minority view.
In the above, I bolded various sentences for emphasis. Psalm84 (talk) 07:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think we have very different world views, but I found your reasoning for your edits on the Lee Soon-ok article and the detailed support you provided to be quite remarkable. Activist (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Activist. And I appreciate you taking the time to leave your comment. Psalm84 (talk) 10:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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