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2013 in spaceflight
Hi WDGraham! I would like to apologize for any confusion that my edits caused on 2013 in spaceflight. I don't wish to run afoul of any established formatting guidelines or conventions. However, I do have two primary concerns with the article. The first is the lack of spaces following flags. {{Flag}} includes a space after flags and before country names, and I only wished to mirror this format in the article. My second concern is that in many places the article is an alphabet soup of unnecessary and unfamiliar abbreviations and acronyms. VAST, AMAKA, CSIC, EIAST, etc. are unfamiliar to most readers and there is no compelling reason to shorten the names of unfamiliar organizations. If column width a stylistic concern, that can easily be remedied by setting it as a fixed value. – Zntrip 22:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I recognise that your edits were made in good faith and were mostly constructive; I have no issue with spaces following flags; they were originally omitted to save space under the old single-line format which is now only used on a handful of pages; I strongly support the inclusion of these spaces and I believe I may have even added a few that you'd missed when I went through the article. I realise that unfamiliar abbreviations can cause accessibility issues, however this is the lesser of two evils compared to the severe accessibility, readability and style issues caused by not contracting them. Fixing column widths would not resolve this, as the column width would still be significantly increased, and many names are simply too long to fit in. In theory the first occurrence of each abbreviation should be linked, so a reader can find information on its meaning, however I realise that this is not ideal and would welcome discussion on finding a better compromise. --W. D. Graham 23:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- With regard to column width, I am not clear on what you mean. The width can remain static by setting a width value in the table's heading. {{TLS-H2}} already sets the total width of the table at 100%. The seven columns can each be allocated a percentage of the total width. The words in a cell may take up two rows, but they will not increase the column's width. – Zntrip 23:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm concerned about display issues, particularly on small monitors, caused by putting a lot of text into a small, fixed space. I believe there would be some cases where even words would end up being split between lines. --W. D. Graham 23:51, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- With regard to column width, I am not clear on what you mean. The width can remain static by setting a width value in the table's heading. {{TLS-H2}} already sets the total width of the table at 100%. The seven columns can each be allocated a percentage of the total width. The words in a cell may take up two rows, but they will not increase the column's width. – Zntrip 23:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Truthfully, on smaller screens, the article will not look as nice, but it will still be readable. I believe it is possible to balance readability with accessibility. – Zntrip 08:33, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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Updates are needed in the File:Orbital Launches.svg and File:Orbital launch projects.svg
Updates are needed in the File:Orbital Launches.svg and File:Orbital launch projects.svg
On 31st January 2012, South Korea has launched a satellite into orbit for the first time with its own space program. South Korea has joined the list of countries who are capable of conducting orbital launches. Source: [1]
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.31.34 (talk) 09:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'll update it in 2021, when South Korea actually joins "the list of countries who are capable of conducting orbital launches". --W. D. Graham 14:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Could you elobarate on your answer, because South Korea has successfully launched a satellite into orbit, and this does fit into the category of "countries who are capable of conducting orbital launches". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.62.140 (talk) 16:06, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings! Can you help fix disambiguation links at 1963 in spaceflight (July–December), 1964 in spaceflight (January–March), and 1974 in spaceflight? Specifically, all of these contain links to the disambiguation page DMA, for which there is no obvious, space-related solution. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:58, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
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Date on Satellite
I've undone this edit because 1885 is obviously not correct. I assume you made a typo, however, could you provide a source for your change? Because we don't have an article on the satellite, it's difficult for me to verify easily. Shadowjams (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- This link says the original date of 2000 was correct. Shadowjams (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding WikiProject:Indian Space Programme
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Gaurav Pruthi and I have been thinking over starting a WikiProject for the Indian Space Program. If you are interested in taking part in the discussion regarding the WikiProject, please do leave a message here.
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Relating to PSLV
Please show me some sort of proof or at least give me a reference to show that PSLV is a part of the SLV family of rockets. I believe that you are the one to have grouped the rockets on this basis in the pages showing the spaceflights of a particular year. Example of one such page is - 2011 in spaceflight
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Salyut space stations
Hi, WDGraham!
Just letting you know, I did change the formatting for List of human spaceflights to Salyut space stations. Normally, this would be discussed on the talk page of the article, but it hasn't been edited in 3 years except by bots, so I don't think I'd get much of an audience there...
Please let me know if this formatting works. I tried to keep as much of the information intact as possible. ~ Matthewrbowker Make a comment! 05:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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- Thank you --W. D. Graham 18:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for copyediting all those kosmos satellite articles. Secretlondon (talk) 10:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem, I had AWB running to fix a few problems in the DS articles I wrote; thought I might as well go through the rest while I was at it... --W. D. Graham 10:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please see the Cygnus Mass Simulator talk page.--Craigboy (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)--Craigboy (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- A-ONE is non-notable, CMS is and is the agreed place to cover it. That's also why Falcon 9 Flight 1 was merged into DSQU. --W. D. Graham 23:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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Phonesat's photos
Hi. There are some photos of PhoneSats, and they are made in NASA (pd-nasa). Can we upload them to commons? `a5b (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- As long as you can prove they are PD, that should be fine. --W. D. Graham 23:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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Vega VV02 launch date
How can you know that VV02 will launch on 7 May 2013 at 02:06 UTC??? Ho Tuan Kiet (talk) 04:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't. Since it's a template and not article content, a rumoured, estimated or NET date will suffice, so I'm using this until we hear something official. --W. D. Graham 10:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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- Strange. The edit to STS-1 was manual and I didn't go anywhere near that part of the article. The one to STS-127 was with DabSolver which is a widely used tool... Not sure what's causing that... --W. D. Graham 21:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
new infobox
I had a play with the new infobox on Kosmos 2485. A couple of things: image_size doesn't default to anything. Without adding something my image was full size. It also came up with an red error relating to type - I presumed this was the interplanetary box and when I deleted that section the error went away. Looks good :) Secretlondon (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- It only defaults if the parameter is not present - if the field is present but unset then it will treat that as not having a value - you need to remove the "|image_size=" as well as the value. Off the top of my head, I think the planetary section is the only part of the template that returns red error messages so that sounds about right - it's just a case of removing sections that are never going to be needed for those spacecraft. Other than that, I would advise against using the "previous_mission" and "next_mission" fields for GLONASS, which is more a constellation of concurrently operated spacecraft than a series of individual missions, which is what those fields were designed for. --W. D. Graham 23:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- I've seen your changes to K2485. The -gee thing passed me by totally. I think peri should really default to perigee unless specified as the vast majority will be earth satellites. Secretlondon (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- It defaults to "periapsis" which as a less common, but catch-all term. --W. D. Graham 11:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think the spacecraft properties section is working, but I may be missing something. It doesn't show on Eutelsat 3D. Secretlondon (talk) 22:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Couple of parameters missing from the header - didn't show up during testing because I didn't test it with only those parameters. --W. D. Graham 23:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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Cleanup on GOES 13
You seem to have left a partial sentence in the lede of GOES 13 while you were reorganizing it. --Carnildo (talk) 22:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed --W. D. Graham 22:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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- No problem; I'm getting the ones that can be done with AWB out of the way so we can see what needs to be done manually. --W. D. Graham 09:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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I need your advice
Hello! I am here to take your advice before making a change regarding one of the launches of GSLV. Take a look at the article List of Satish Dhawan Space Centre launches. On 18 April 2001, there was a launch of GSLV Mk I(a) from SDSC. My doubt is whether it should be considered a Partial Success or a Failure since it tells that - "payload placed into lower than planned orbit". All other launches of this type have been considered partial success but this one was written a failure in the article GSLV. So I also wrote it accordingly in the List of Satish Dhawan Space Centre launches. But now I have changed it to partial success seeing the case of other launches. If you think I am wrong then revert my last edit to the page. I was right in my approach, then I will make the same change in both of these - GSLV & Satish Dhawan Space Centre First Launch Pad. I am consulting you since I feel that you are much more knowledgeable than me in spaceflight related field. Regards. - Jayadevp13 05:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
One more message different from the above one. Are you sure that the third launch pad of Satish Dhawan Space Centre will have the name Rohini Launch Pad. It is with this name you have added it to the template Satish Dhawan Space Centre. Regards. - Jayadevp13 07:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- The distinction between a failure and a partial failure is whether the payload is still usable or not. In the case of the April 2001 launch, the performance shortfall was such that the payload couldn't be placed into a usable orbit. The 2007 launch, for example, is considered a partial failure because despite the shortfall INSAT-4CR still ended up in the right orbit. GSAT-1 didn't, and couldn't fulfil its mission objectives, therefore it is an outright failure not a partial failure.
- With regards the template, I don't even remember creating it. I don't have a clue where I got Rohini Launch Pad from...I'm pretty sure I was referring to the launch pad used by Rohini sounding rockets, but I can't find any details about that pad. --W. D. Graham 08:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank You for helping me out. I am changing the name to Third launch pad in the template. Just giving an information to you. Rohini sounding rockets are launched only from Thumba Equatorial Rocket Launching Station (TERLS) and not from SDSC. Regards. - Jayadevp13 14:54, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Most Rohini launches are from Thumba, but occasionally one is launched from SDSC. I think the most recent one was in 2004. --W. D. Graham 16:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- I really didn't know about it. Moreover, I didn't see any such thing written in a Wikipedian page. But this link does tell that there is a complex in SDSC for sounding rockets. - Jayadevp13 17:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Most Rohini launches are from Thumba, but occasionally one is launched from SDSC. I think the most recent one was in 2004. --W. D. Graham 16:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank You for helping me out. I am changing the name to Third launch pad in the template. Just giving an information to you. Rohini sounding rockets are launched only from Thumba Equatorial Rocket Launching Station (TERLS) and not from SDSC. Regards. - Jayadevp13 14:54, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hello! I am here to pester you again. This time it is relating to a DYK nomination I made. The link to the nomination page is here. The name of the article is Satish Dhawan Space Centre Third Launch Pad. It was started by me on 8 June 2013 and self nominated at 16:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC). This space-flight related has till now not been reviewed. I would be grateful to you if you could spare some of your time to review the article and make the appropriate comments/suggestions at either the nomination page or on my talk page. Once again thanks. Regards. - Jayadevp13 12:03, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest with you, I have absolutely no idea how to review a DYK nomination - it's not an area of the project I'm particularly active in. Somebody like Materialscientist would probably be a better person to ask. That said, I can give some general advice: The facilities section should probably be rewritten as it is little more than a quote. Most of the "See also" section is already covered by the navbox, and can probably be removed. With regards the nomination itself, I would suggest replacing "rockets" with "missions", and possibly rewording it to include a link to Satish Dhawan Space Centre - maybe something like "... that the Third Launch Pad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre will be used to launch missions of the Indian human spaceflight programme". Sorry I can't be of more help. --W. D. Graham 12:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. This itself is more than enough. Regards. - Jayadevp13 15:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hello WDGraham! I saw that you made changes to Satish Dhawan Space Centre and Satish Dhawan Space Centre First Launch Pad regarding the location of launches of SLV and ASLV. Are you sure about that? Please provide some sort of proof or reference. If you are 100% sure that you are right then make the same change to List of Satish Dhawan Space Centre launches. Regards. - Jayadevp13 15:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I posted an image of the old ASLV pad on the NSF forum yesterday - see this thread. It's about 5-6km south of the modern pads. --W. D. Graham 16:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Let us wait for an outcome to your query. - Jayadevp13 16:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- The query is regarding whether there are one or two pads in that picture - either way, that picture shows a pad, or two pads, which is where all SLV and ASLV launches occurred - that's not in any doubt. The modern FLP is 6-7 km north of where that photo was taken. --W. D. Graham 16:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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Soyuz failures
Hi,
Thanks for your kind work on this spaceflight page:)
I thought there was a mistake (with Proton's failure on July, 2nd, I checked the total of failures regarding successes). I didn't understand why Soyuz was marked with a failure, so I corrected it. So what does 'Soyuz from Kourou (1)' mean, as Soyuz did not had a failure this year?
Kind Regards, Thomas
- That is the number of launches from Kourou, not the number of failures. --W. D. Graham 10:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
OH, Ok, thank you for the explanation, now I understand :) (I confused with Sea Launch's failure for only one launch, without controlling with other years for instance) Sorry for my mistake :(
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Edit the images in the articles on the Apollo flights 7-17 in a similar fashion as the Space Shuttle mission images. (A main image before the mission patch). 71.219.75.224 (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
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