Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greenfields School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn, article kept (non-admin closure). Jamie^☆S93 16:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greenfields School

~~Was not able to find significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.~~ All sources in the article in its current state are to sources directly affiliated with the article's subject. Reads like a promo-piece/PR-blurb for the organization. Cirt (talk) 01:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Withdrawn/changed to Keep, see below. Cirt (talk) 11:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep needs editing for style but these are almost always found to be notable. JJL (talk) 01:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, have you found any secondary sources independent of the article's subject discussing it? Cirt (talk) 01:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm relying on Wikipedia:SCHOOL#Indicators_of_probable_notability: "In general, tertiary degree-awarding institutions and senior secondary schools are considered notable." Although it's not policy this is the essentially uniform outcome of an AfD like this, and in my opinion that's a reasonable result. JJL (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, are you saying that if zero secondary sources discuss a particular school, and the only solitary source is the organization's own website, it is deserving of an article on Wikipedia? Cirt (talk) 17:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment no. JJL (talk) 18:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment google news search for someone to sift through. I'm generally opposed to deleting high school entries if there is any shred of notability. tedder (talk) 01:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Google News search appears to contain results with hits for other schools of the same name. Cirt (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Keep~~ - Extreme emphasis on "weak", because this is a high school (although I personally belive that most high schools are non-notable) and independent sources are harder to come by. Perhaps this could be re-written to talk about the educational side of the school rather then all those theater programs. -Marcusmax(speak) 03:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- @ Marcusmax (talk · contribs) - Have you been able to find any independent sources which significantly discuss the subject of this article? Cirt (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This may turn out to be a more contentious AfD than it would at first appear to be. The only substantive, independent information I've been able to find about this school—though I'm not seeing anything that could be called a reliable source—all deals with its connection to Scientology (as following the Applied Scholastics link in the article makes clear). Here's one such source. Deor (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does that source satisfy WP:RS ? Cirt (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If someone could dig up the actual Evening Argus article, that might, but the Web page appears to be a copyvio, if nothing else. Deor (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, that article would be WP:RS. Still would be best to find coverage in multiple secondary sources independent of the subject. Cirt (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just searched for "Scientology" at the Argus Web site; but the results went back only to 2006 [nothing mentioning Greenfields], and the advanced search only allows one to select years from 1996 to the present, so the article in question doesn't appear to be online. Deor (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are many others: An editorial to go with the Argus article [1], a top rating from the Financial Times [2], Dianetics and the school [3], BBC table entries [4], [5], arrest of a teacher for events connected to the school [6], story on an English teacher there [7], student there wins an award [8], mentioned in a Scientology article [9]. There are also lots of tangential mentions from A_Piece_of_Blue_Sky. JJL (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - contains a sixth form college. As with all such schools the page should be expanded not deleted. TerriersFan (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —TerriersFan (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@TerriersFan (talk · contribs) - Were you able to find secondary sources independent of the article's subject discussing it? Cirt (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - It is in my newly informed decision that after reviewing the evidence provided, that no reliable sources can be found to establish notability, if you need further explanation seem my talk page. -Marcusmax(speak) 23:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This school seems to be notable for its somewhat unique asssociation with Scientology. I can think of no other school in the UK which has such a link. There seem to be a number of secondary sources as found by JJL so it should be a straightforward matter to expand the article. Dahliarose (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (nom withdrawn) Thanks to secondary sources presented on this AfD page by JJL (talk · contribs) - thanks JJL! Cirt (talk) 11:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources have now been found, and nom withdrew. -Marcusmax(speak) 11:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.