Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Kaye (Linguist)

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) Oo7565 (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)"[reply]

Jonathan Kaye (Linguist)[edit]

Delete unsourced one-liner about a linguist said to be the founder of a disclipline whose article doesn't mention him at all. So little is learned about this guy from our article, that we don't know when or where he was born, whether he's still alive, any biographical information at all, a non-article. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hesitant~~ Strong Keep — Sure, the article is poorly written, and barely written at that, but Jonathan Kaye does exist. I'm also certain that that PDF about Government Phonology is citing Jonathan Kaye. But, I could be wrong, and ghits bring up little. Leonard^(Bloom) 00:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the above reason and them some: this (ctrl-f, "Kaye"), this, this (under "Brazil"), and this; I'm sure there are more out there, in the great beyond. Btw, those links to prove he exists and that he is maybe notable, but, I've yet to find any concrete info about him. But, I'm not discouraged; a lot of those links were .edus and such. Leonard^(Bloom) 00:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to post again, but by the looks of this, it seems my new friend Jonathan Kaye is still alive. He published quite a few works in the 90's. Leonard^(Bloom) 00:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete unless a a source can be found confirming that he is the founder of said discipline or if he has published something other than a texbook. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree sources are needed, but does he have to be the founder of Government Phonology to be notable? It looks like a lot of people are citing his work, and many are even dedicating their work to him; I think in the linguistic community he is pretty notable (but without sources I could be wrong). Leonard^(Bloom) 00:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this fellow seems to have published a good deal in the field of linguistics (about which I admit I know little). For instance see http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Jonathan+Kaye+linguistics&spell=1 as an indication. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 03:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This person clearly is real, and he clearly has published a fair amount of material, but I can't find any sources independent of him that show he is notable. No sources say he has won any awards, is influential in his field, etc. Also, I can't even find sources that give basic biographical information. SJP (talk) 03:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I might try hitting some books for this one. Leonard^(Bloom) 04:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to pull most of the article expansion from the summary of his CV in the book of papers honoring him. Vickser (talk) 07:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep I don't know too much about Linguistics, but I'm putting Kaye in a definite keep category. A book all about him, Living on the Edge: Phonological Essays Commemorating the Radical Career of Jonathan Kaye was published by Walter de Gruyter, which is a german academic publishing house. A JStor search turned up a large number of Kaye's articles, citations of Kaye's articles, and reviews of Kaye's books. While google result's for "Jonathan Kaye" are thrown horribly off by the golfer, searching for "Phonology : a cognitive view" (a book of his) on google turns up 712 hits. I'll try filling out the article a bit because as is it's junk, but the guy's notable. Vickser (talk) 06:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw that my school's library actually has a copy of the book about Kaye. I can swing by and pick it up tomorrow if there's anything we can't get off google books. Vickser (talk) 06:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Major academic publishers don't publish Festschrifts about minor academics; only quite notable, influential ones. The title of the book and the publisher alone proves he is highly notable.John Z (talk) 08:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Demonstrably notable enough for me. -- Quartermaster (talk) 13:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:V but Move to Jonathan Kaye (linguist). I'm an Editor of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 15:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this academic appears to be notable but the references should be changed to inline citations as soon as possible. JBsupreme (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The festschrift alone would be enough for me but the claim about founding government phonology appears to be supportable; e.g., see this course syllabus in which much of the papers in the reading list and especially the earlier ones were written by Kaye. I see the festschrift as a clear pass of WP:PROF #6, the syllabus as strong evidence for a pass of WP:PROF #5, and the large number of cites to his 1990 "Constituent structure and government in phonology" as a likely pass for WP:PROF #3. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Vickser and David Eppstein. Having a festschrift published in one's honor is sufficient indicator of academic notability. Also, as D.E. points out, the claim to being a/the founder of government phonology appears to check out too. Passes WP:PROF. Nsk92 (talk) 05:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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