Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khalilah Rose

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The result was Delete. Randykitty (talk) 06:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Khalilah Rose

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and is a promotional article written by a paid editor. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:10, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• keep it is true that the article was written but a paid editor but it has now been well worked over and the person has sufficient notability. article is fine. Jytdog (talk) 00:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

TLDR and not appropriate
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In response to this nomination for deletion, i would like to note that although i am a paid editor, the article is not promotional because it is written factually and in compliance with Wikipedia rules for neutrality. Secondly, the subject complies with the rules for notability WP:MUSICBIO as follows: 1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries YES, Khalilah fulfils this criteria as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers and has been on the cover of 2 Caribbean Magazines; Jus Jah and on L3 Magazine 2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart 7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has been recognized as the new face of roots reggae and is the current face of YEROC eyewear , 8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc YES Khalilah Rose's song was used in a Law and Order episode According to Wikipedia WP:MUSICBIO "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria" As i have just proven, Khalilah Rose more than meets just 1 of the criteria and as such should not be the subject of a nomination for deletion. Thank you Lilianarice (talk) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Comment I think the "logic" of the person who was paid to create this article is questionable. For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. I am just getting started. This is the problem with paid editors, they create extra work for the unpaid editors, in this case by distorting reality to align with their financial incentives. Logical Cowboy (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC) very very unhelpful. hatting Jytdog (talk) 01:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for my ignorance, i thought the idea of this project was for all users to respond and show proof for keeping the article. My first comment was tagged as WP: TLDR I have re-written this and reduced the words. 1. YES, Khalilah fulfills the criteria of notability as she has been featured in multiple Caribbean newspapers

2. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city: YES She has signed on to represent YEROC Eyewear , 3. Has won or been nominated for a major music award: Khalilah Rose has been nominated for 5 Linkage Reggae Music Awards and won 1 ThanksLilianarice (talk) 02:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• Delete as promo crap that belongs elsewhere - There's plenty of ways to "advertise" a singer and this sure as hell isn't one of them. –Davey2010 • (talk) 03:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
• Borderline What I've found so far: The Music Industry Achievers award is a joke, with a website allowing you to place votes when voting ended in may, and they actually cancelled their 2014 awards program, something respectable shows only do in emergencies. I can't find an online presences for New York Reggae Awards or Linkage Music Awards, aside from some YouTube clips of the latter, and it seems odd for any kind of high profile award not to have its own website, which indicates to me that these awards are not high profile. The primary source, the Jamaican Star, describes her as an up-and-coming artist, and not even a household name in Jamaica. The 2011 Gleaner reference is similar, more of a human interest story. The 2013 Gleaner describes her as reaching number one on some radio charts in Argentina, so a decent notability claim. The Vision newspaper is an interview, so it doesn't speak to notability either way. So, I'm on the fence, a very borderline case. Give it a couple years, and she'll probably meet notability, but I don't think she's quite there yet. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• Delete - I'm perhaps not as convinced as my colleague Jytdog but I can see where he's coming from. At the end of the day, though, this is just promotional nonsense, dressed up as a Wikipedia article. All of the biographical information is from a single local newspaper article of unknown provenance (without attribution) which, as pointed out above, describes her as "up-and-coming". If you're up-and-coming in your own backyard, you're unlikely to be notable to the extent that you'll meet our inclusion criteria. Gleaner is the Star with a different name (same company) - they are one source. I'm not convinced by any of the "awards". At the end of the day, this seems like an attempt to promote the subject rather than to build a Wikipedia article based on significant coverage from legitimate sources. I'm probably with Oiyarbepsy here - just WP:TOOSOON. St★lwart¹¹¹ 06:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• Delete promotional article by promotional editor who is continuing her promotional campaign here (and attempting a canvassing campaign as well). For example, there has been no single on a national music chart. There was a single on a specialized chart for one radio station. There is no evidence that she is the most prominent representative of anything. There is no evidence that the Linkage Reggae Music Award is major. Also, there is no reliable evidence that a song was included in Law & Order, and just being brief incidental music rather than a theme song or a performance would not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Logical Cowboy (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• Keep I have not tried any canvassing campaign, i sent out a neutral invitation to those that edited the article so they could chime in their views. I understand your angst against me given that i misunderstood your "payment joke" as well as the vehement objections to paid editors however please do not misrepresent me in this and please judge the article on its own merits. The artist has been covered in both the Jamaica Gleaner and the The Jamaica Observer which are the country's oldest and second oldest national Publications. Other newspapers where she has been published like on the Jamaica Star are also owned by the Gleaner company so have that credibility. They are all legitimate sources given that they are the country's top newspapers. Additionally as the article i sourced shows, the artist has signed on to represent YEROC Eye-wear which is a reputable brand ref>http://jamaica-star.com/thestar/20130308/ent/ent5.html</ref>, so yes she is a prominent representative of something Thank you Lilianarice (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete - per WP:ADMASQ, WP:UPANDCOMING and WP:MUSICBIO. ukexpat (talk) 13:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
• Delete; while this article lacks reliable sources and general notability, this is also very one-sided and biased, as well as promotional.Epicgenius (talk) 21:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Putting the alleged paid editing aside, the coverage from Jamaica's two major national newspapers is probably enough to satisfy WP:GNG. In addition to the sources cited in the article, there are also these two: [1], [2]. --Michig (talk) 07:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
• Delete paid spam of the absolute worst kind. Wikipedia is not a means of advertising. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
• Keep. Despite some concerns about the paid editing, the artist seems to meet the WP criteria defined in WP:MUSICBIO. There is multiple coverage of the artist in secondary sources and the music has received significant attention. The fact that she, or the newspapers in which she is mentioned, are not so much known amongst the mostly western public editing WP should not be of influence. --Reinoutr (talk) 13:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment Even the sources given [3] clearly state Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica and another describes as rising .As pointed out by Oiyarbepsy the awards are not from a major or reputed organization.She clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO now even at best it is WP:TOOSOON.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, but in full, the source states "Although Rose is not yet a household name in Jamaica, her music has spread far beyond the shores of her island home. As a result, she has made numerous appearances on events in Europe, Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America.". I can see your point, but I am giving this one the benefit of the doubt for now. --Reinoutr (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I had searched but could not find Reliable source about her Europe, South Africa, Brazil, Israel and North America Media about her all sources are Jamaican and even they only state she is a rising or upcoming singer and hence not notable at present .Anyway I leave to the closer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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