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Statistics[edit]

 
User ID:	19285809
User groups:	massmessage-sender, reviewer, rollbacker, templateeditor, user, autoconfirmed
First edit:	Jul 12, 2013, 9:34 PM
Latest edit:	Oct 30, 2014, 3:15 AM
Live edits:	20,184
Deleted edits:	2,796
Total edits:  	22,980
Edits in the past 24 hours:	19
Edits in the past 7 days:	92
Edits in the past 30 days:	606
Edits in the past 365 days:	13,466
Ø number of edits per day:	48.5

Live edits:
Unique pages edited:		9,527	
Pages created:			2,735
Pages moved:			302
Ø edits per page:		2.1
Ø change per page (bytes):	extended
Files uploaded:			10
Files uploaded (Commons):	8
(Semi-)automated edits:		8,398
Reverted edits:			115
Edits with summary:		20,164
Number of minor edits (tagged):	4,030
Number of edits (<20 bytes):	extended
Number of edits (>1000 bytes):	extended

Actions:
Thank:		225 x
Approve:	310 x
Patrol:		588 x

Admin actions
Block:		0 x
Protect:	13 x
Delete:		0 x
Import:		0 x

(Re)blocked:	0 x
Longest block:	–
Current block: 	–

SUL editcounter         latest
(approximate):	
► enwiki 	22,410 	+1 hour
commonswiki 	1,599 	+7 days
mediawikiwiki 	398 	+39 minutes
metawiki 	56 	+4 hours
wawiktionary 	45 	> 30 days
wikidatawiki 	43 	+5 days
enwikisource 	33 	> 30 days
testwiki 	32 	+1 day
wawiki 	        11 	> 30 days
incubatorwiki 	9 	> 30 days
test2wiki 	7 	> 30 days
693 others	26	+2 days
Total edits	24,669

Namespace Totals
	Article 	3,885 	19.2%
	Talk 		635 	3.1%
	User 		2,173 	10.8%
	User talk 	5,953 	29.5%
	Wikipedia 	2,803 	13.9%
	Wikipedia talk 	712 	3.5%
	File 		59 	0.3%
	File talk 	9 	0%
	MediaWiki talk 	241 	1.2%
	Template 	1,237 	6.1%
	Template talk 	550 	2.7%
	Help 		11 	0.1%
	Help talk 	3 	0%
	Category 	48 	0.2%
	Category talk 	8 	0%
	Portal talk 	8 	0%
	Book 		1 	0%
	Book talk 	2 	0%
	Draft 		71 	0.4%
	Draft talk 	1 	0%
	Module 		1,408 	7%
	Module talk 	366 	1.8%
	
Year counts 
2013 	8,506	
2014 	11,678	

Time card 
Timecard
Latest edit (global) - Edits in the past 30 days, max. 10 / Wiki 
Date			Wiki		Page title					Comment
2014-10-30, 03:56 	mediawikiwiki 	Git/New repositories/Requests/Entries 		fix error causing the whole table to be malformed
2014-10-30, 03:15 	enwiki 		User talk:Technical 13 				/* Tracker */ explain more
2014-10-30, 03:14 	enwiki 		User talk:Technical 13 				/* Tracker */ re
2014-10-30, 02:11 	enwiki 		User:Jackmcbarn/To-do 				+1
2014-10-30, 02:11 	enwiki 		User talk:Frietjes 				/* Substing of Template:Cfb link and others */ re
2014-10-30, 02:08 	enwiki 		Category talk:Pages using deprecated coordinates format 	/* Common reasons for landing here */ re
2014-10-30, 01:06 	mediawikiwiki 	Extension:Scribunto/Parser interface design 	/* Parent frame access */ grandparent frames are safe now...
2014-10-30, 01:06 	mediawikiwiki 	Extension:Scribunto/Parser interface design 	Undo revision 1246064 by [[Special:Contributions/Jackmcba...
2014-10-30, 01:04 	mediawikiwiki 	Extension:Scribunto/Parser interface design 	grandparent frames are safe now, according to Tim on IRC
2014-10-30, 00:49 	enwiki 		Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) 		/* Navbox templates whose name parameter does not match t...
2014-10-30, 00:20 	enwiki 		Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) 		/* Strange time substitution */ re
2014-10-30, 00:02 	mediawikiwiki 	MediaWiki:Blockipsuccesstext 			edits -> contribs
2014-10-29, 23:58 	metawiki 	Steward requests/Global 			/* Global unlock for Google9999 */ re
2014-10-29, 23:29 	enwiki 		Template:2014–15 NBA West standings 		rm blank parameters to fix script errors everywhere
2014-10-29, 23:20 	enwiki 		Template:NBA team standings 			try that again
2014-10-29, 23:16 	enwiki 		Template:NBA team standings 			Reverted edits by [[Special:Contribs/Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbar...
2014-10-29, 21:45 	mediawikiwiki 	User talk:Paladox2017 				/* Unblock */ re
2014-10-29, 21:29 	metawiki 	Steward requests/Global 			/* Global lock/unlock for Google9999 */ notes
2014-10-29, 21:24 	mediawikiwiki 	User talk:Paladox2017 				/* Unblock */ re
2014-10-29, 21:09 	mediawikiwiki 	User talk:Paladox2017 				/* Unblock */ re
2014-10-29, 20:51 	mediawikiwiki 	User talk:Paladox2017 				/* Unblock */ re
2014-10-29, 20:37 	mediawikiwiki 	User talk:Paladox2017 				sign
2014-10-28, 20:56 	testwiki 	Template:46811 					try reducing some more
2014-10-28, 20:54 	testwiki 	Template:46811 					didn't repro then
2014-10-28, 20:53 	testwiki 	Template:46811 					Created page with "style="background-color:red&...
2014-10-28, 20:52 	testwiki 	46811 						Created page with "{| {{46811}} | One | Two |- | Thr...
2014-10-28, 01:57 	metawiki 	User:Jackmcbarn/global.js 			- hhvm.js, no longer necessary or useful at this point in...
2014-10-27, 22:31 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template 			we already have Module:Arguments loaded, might as well us...
2014-10-26, 20:31 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			Undid revision 631146884 by [[Special:Contributions/Petr ...
2014-10-26, 20:31 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template 			Undid revision 631146884 by [[Special:Contributions/Petr ...
2014-10-25, 04:45 	knwiki 		ಟೆಂಪ್ಲೇಟು:CanadianTerrorism 			fix duplicate parameter
2014-10-24, 22:44 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:InfoboxImage 				add a sanity check to help debug an intermittent error
2014-10-24, 22:44 	knwiki 		Module:InfoboxImage 				add a sanity check to help debug an intermittent error
2014-10-24, 22:44 	knwiki 		Module:InfoboxImage 				add a sanity check to help debug an intermittent error
2014-10-24, 14:59 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template 			work around MediaWiki's bug 12974
2014-10-24, 14:59 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			work around MediaWiki's bug 12974
2014-10-24, 14:31 	wikidatawiki 	Q12355 						/* clientsitelink-update:0|enwiki|enwiki:Template:Locatio...
2014-10-24, 14:02 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Location map 				use Wikidata
2014-10-24, 00:43 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template 			fix bug reported on VPT
2014-10-24, 00:43 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			fix bug reported on VPT
2014-10-23, 22:32 	mlwiki 		ഫലകം:Redirect template/core 			use Lua
2014-10-23, 22:32 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template 			need a newline to keep Tidy from breaking everything
2014-10-23, 22:32 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			need a newline to keep Tidy from breaking everything
2014-10-23, 22:30 	mlwiki 		ഫലകം:Redirect template 			use Lua
2014-10-23, 22:30 	knwiki 		ಟೆಂಪ್ಲೇಟು:Redirect template 			use Lua
2014-10-23, 22:24 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			need pairs
2014-10-23, 22:24 	mlwiki 		ഘടകം:Redirect template	 			need pairs
2014-10-23, 22:23 	knwiki 		Module:Redirect template 			don't set otherCategory if nil
2014-10-22, 14:03 	commonswiki 	Category:Grave of Antoine André Ravrio 		rm duplicate gallery
2014-10-22, 14:01 	commonswiki 	Creator:Antoine-Martin Garnaud 			rm duplicate authority
2014-10-22, 04:10 	commonswiki 	Template talk:Fotothek-Description 		/* Protected edit request on 22 October 2014 */ new section
2014-10-22, 04:08 	commonswiki 	File:Gentile da Fabriano 008.jpg 		rm duplicate location
2014-10-22, 04:05 	commonswiki 	Template:Fotothek-Description/en 		only need to pass each parameter once
2014-10-22, 03:58 	commonswiki 	Institution:Staatliche Kunsthalle Karlsruhe 	rm duplicate it translation
2014-10-22, 03:54 	commonswiki 	Creator:Lucas Cranach (I) 			rm seemingly useless x-old entry
2014-10-22, 03:51 	commonswiki 	Creator:Paul Sédille 				rm duplicate authority
2014-10-22, 03:51 	commonswiki 	File:Crkva Sveta Bogorodica - Skopje (101).JPG 	rm duplicate source
2014-10-22, 03:48 	commonswiki 	Creator:Julien-Prosper Legastelois 		rm duplicate authority
2014-10-21, 20:14 	metawiki 	User:Jackmcbarn/global.js  			+ applyPST.js
2014-10-16, 04:52 	metawiki 	Tech/News/2014/43  				+ duplicate argument tracking category
2014-10-16, 02:50 	suwiki 		Modul:Navbox 					fix wrapper
2014-10-13, 00:58 	wikidatawiki 	Q5151984 					Undid revision 92392558 by [[Special:Contributions/Ssenta...
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Module:Yesno 					1 revision imported from [[:en:Module:Yesno]]
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Module:Category handler/shared 			1 revision imported from [[:en:Module:Category handler/sh...
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Module:Message box 				1 revision imported from [[:en:Module:Message box]]
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Template:No article text 			1 revision imported from [[:en:Template:No article text]]
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Module:Category handler/config	 		1 revision imported from [[:en:Module:Category handler/co...
2014-10-10, 14:24 	testwiki 	Module:Category handler/blacklist 		1 revision imported from [[:en:Module:Category handler/bl...
2014-10-08, 02:52 	metawiki 	Steward requests/Global permissions 		/* Global sysop for Jackmcbarn */ withdraw
2014-10-07, 23:24 	metawiki 	Steward requests/Global permissions 		/* Requests for global sysop permissions */ add myself
2014-10-06, 01:21 	wikidatawiki 	Q12331 						/* clientsitelink-update:0|enwiki|enwiki:Template:Locatio...
2014-10-05, 03:04 	metawiki 	User:Jackmcbarn/global.js 			[[gerrit:164750]]
2014-10-01, 23:11 	wikidatawiki 	Q7317841 					/* clientsitelink-update:0|enwiki|enwiki:Revelations (Hel...

Month counts 
2013-07 	1,190	
2013-08 	2,403	
2013-09 	1,392	
2013-10 	1,736	
2013-11 	1,349	
2013-12 	436	
2014-01 	2,181	
2014-02 	1,167	
2014-03 	1,049	
2014-04 	1,729	
2014-05 	1,124	
2014-06 	961	
2014-07 	1,202	
2014-08 	570	
2014-09 	1,103	
2014-10 	592	

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o.t discussion[edit]

Moved from main to talk, the editor being engage has a special restriction preventing discussing this topic and is unable to respond. — xaosflux Talk 05:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  1. I suspect that Eric is confusing volunteer coding for MediaWiki with being a paid staff member. --Jakob (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Eric is not allowed to engage in threaded discussion at RFA, so as a courtesy, can we please stop this thread? He has already stated this and it is unfair to continue this way. If you have questions, take it to the talk page and ask him there. Dennis - 2¢ 23:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The Arbcom remedy prohibits him from discussing RFAs on other pages as well, so taking it to the talk page won't work. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 23:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    And I feel the need to point out to Krenair and Jakob that it sounds to me like Eric is not confusing those things, but instead pointing out what he sees as a problem with WMF, and taking that problem into account in his opinion of the RfA. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:48, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Just a stupid question, but if he's not allowed to discuss things here, then why is allowed to !vote here? --AmaryllisGardener talk 01:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    If you take the time to read the actual decision, linked above, you will know. Here isn't the place to debate it. Dennis - 2¢ 01:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no reason for it. It's an ArbCom decision. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Should this vote actually hold, considering the fact that the reason cited is factually incorrect? --Ankit Maity «T § C» 17:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Representative diffs[edit]

We are done here. Jack is an admin, the time for discussion on his RFA page has long since expired. Please take it to the appropriate talk page, which isn't here. Dennis - 2¢ 00:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Taken randomly from User:Jackmcbarn's last 2000 edits. Generated using ais523's edit counter. --ais523 03:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Movable category pages matter[edit]

RE: "Category pages will be movable soon" thread

Hi, Mr. Stradivarius. Further to your response at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jackmcbarn#Neutral, maybe you are right. I just do not know. That was a long thread, full of technical things and background stuff that I do not understand. I really go by feeling a lot. My concern is basically that he announced it and was sort of a spokesperson for it. Many raised concerns and objections. Instead of having a reaction of being concerned at their concern, his reaction seemed to be more like, "I'm not accountable to you, and there's nothing you can do about it, and this is going forward whether you like it or not." Shouldn't his reaction have been "There are a lot of good editors who are concerned here. That is a good reason in itself for me too to be concerned and wish to put this on hold for further discussion." Am I reading it wrong? I hate power and am afraid of those who have it and use it over others, so maybe I am overreacting or reading something into it. Also, maybe I'm being too picky. Looking through his talk pages, he seems so nice. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:05, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Anna Frodesiak: The reason that Jackmcbarn didn't stop the rollout of the feature and allow for more discussion time is because he couldn't. Once a patch is accepted, the process of deploying it on Wikimedia wikis is automated. It has to be automated, as updating hundreds of wiki config files by hand is time-consuming and error-prone. There is a new deployment cycle every week (see the release schedule): on Wednesday, all of that week's new patches go live on MediaWiki.org, the test wiki, the test2 wiki, and the Wikidata test wiki, where they can be tested; on the following Tuesday, if there are no problems, the new code is deployed to all non-Wikipedia sites (e.g. the Wiktionaries and Wikibooks); and on the day after that the code is deployed to all Wikipedias.

Stopping a patch that has already been accepted means you have to disrupt this cycle, and for this reason only the sysadmins can do it. All Jackmcbarn could have done to stop that patch going through would be to plead with the sysadmins to stop it, and they usually do that only if there is an urgent fix to be made. It's possible to get small fixes and configuration changes deployed at other times using a "SWAT deploy", but changes to the deployment of a completely new feature like category moves wouldn't have qualified for this.

Furthermore, the sysadmins like to keep the software configuration as uniform as possible across different wikis, as that makes it easier to maintain everything, which in turn makes the Wikimedia sites more stable. They don't like to make exceptions for just one or two wikis for every patch, or else the number of different configurations would quickly become unmanageable. So Jackmcbarn's responses in that thread are really just reflecting reality - the deployment machine's wheels were turning, and there wasn't anything he could do to stop them. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will be honest, after reading that exchange, I started to comment out my support, and may still. I understand that he didn't roll this out on his own, but the way he handled it was subpar and insensitive looking. Not quite as bad as the jackassery we have in a currently suspended Arb case right now, but it sounded like the kind of response we typically get from WMF, with a total lack of empathy about the concerns of others. Admin who enforce policy and just say "that is how it is" are not good admin, and in fact, are a detriment to the project. It really rubs people the wrong way, like he did in this discussion we are talking about. Again, it isn't about the deployment, it is about how he handled the objections. It gave me the impression that he lacks people skills. Dennis - 2¢ 13:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is my concern as well. His handling of that dispute was in my opinion quite poor. The insensitivity expressed, and attempting to sweep concerns under the rug as "a social problem" to me smacks of an admin that would trample over editors to supposedly do the right thing. We have enough admins acting in those ways (and really 'enough' is zero, and anything above that objectionable). We do not need another one. Nevertheless, the concern does not seem to be gaining traction in oppose voting, and I expect he'll pass despite this concern. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I share this view: explanations about the category-moving incident are coming out now, but would have been better made at the time, instead of statements that sound like "this is what we're doing, like it or lump it", a perceived attitude from the developer side that has been causing considerable problems recently. It's my guess that such concerns are being outweighed in the minds of voters who see a need for someone credible to pass RfA: Noyster (talk), 19:54, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a WMF employee, in charge of public relations for software development. If not an employee, I'm getting COI vibes from this. Is this a contractor? If the individual has such close ties to WMF as to have their high confidence, and needs tools for software development, perhaps they could be issued a WMF account. —Neotarf (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no affiliation with the WMF whatsoever, so there's no way I'd be given a WMF account. (And even if I was a WMF employee/contractor and had a WMF account, I wouldn't be able to do volunteer admin work with it.) The reason I posted the initial category move notice here was because I'm the one who wrote the code for it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As a (brief) participant in the AN category-move thread, I have to say I don't have any problem with Jackmcbarn's actions there. This isn't the case of the WMF forcing buggy software on us a la Visual Editor 1.0, this is a case of a volunteer (1) fixing a long-standing anomaly that prevented renamed categories from carrying over proper attribution and page history, and then (2) giving the community a heads-up about it. When suggestions were made that the feature should be restricted to admins for the time being, he dutifully filed a Bugzilla request to change it. It's not fair to blame him for the fact that the devs collectively didn't feel there was sufficient consensus to limit it to admins. I suggested a way that access to the feature could be limited, and, unlike certain WMF members tend to do, Jackmcbarn didn't threaten to have me blocked or desysopped for making the suggestion. I don't see at all someone trying to force their will on the community, I see instead someone making a helpful fix and trying to engage the community about it. 28bytes (talk) 21:25, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for the comments. Sorry Jackmcbarn for making such a fuss. I am comfortable supporting, and am grateful for all the work you do. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@28bytes, thanks for your evaluation of what is a rather technical discussion, and I have stricken my remarks. I didn't mean to appear distrustful, but it did look similar to VE and MV discussions. I still have misgivings about not being able to evaluate social interaction though, I suppose that's a good argument for unbundling the tools. —Neotarf (talk) 11:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My76Strat's OT regards[edit]

I had written a rationale for my support of Jackmcbarn and then I decided to delete it instead; to stand on an unqualified !vote of support. I guarantee that self censoring the prose I had written was a better choice by far, than had I saved it instead. Cheers. --My76Strat (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Stupidity of these opposes"[edit]

I don't exactly find slapping a pull quote on top of the Oppose section is an appropriate thing to do here. Oiyarbepsy calling the opposes stupid pretty much undermines a reason some editors, like myself, deem a valid reason to not give the candidate the tools at this time. Really doesn't look good for the RfA process as well to have such a childish edit made. GamerPro64 16:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

+1, not appropriate behavior IMO. --AmaryllisGardener talk 16:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, in my personal experience, calling someone "stupid" rarely changes their mind, and often leads to hostility that lingers long after the present debate is over. But Oiyarbepsy's mileage may vary. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Come now DL, calling someone "stupid" is most certainly a tried and true method of attempting change in editing here! It's been tried so many times, it's a badge of honor! "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" is the mantra of Wikipedia. Please, let's not forget that, k? :) --Hammersoft (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hammer, file that under "Smart people who do dumb things." We've all been guilty of it from time to time, but some are serial offenders. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to be a dumb person who does a smart thing here and plead no contest :) --Hammersoft (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • People who make no effort to understand other people's viewpoints will often dismiss them as stupid. That edit was 100% inappropriate, and has no place here. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry but some of the reasons for opposition were not exactly brilliant. Calling people stupid is not helpful, but pointing out when an argument is stupid is helpful. Opposing someone because they did not want to surrender private information is not only contrary to the spirit of anonymous editing we embrace at Wikipedia but it was a bit of a low blow.

The level of invasion of privacy in the RfA was a bit shocking to me. Chillum 00:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Chillum: That's only your view - why don't you accept that others may value an admin's transparency more than his/her privacy worries? Also, many may argue, and not without a reason, that an IP address used years ago has very little in common with the statutory protection of "privacy". Even if arguments of other people sound "stupid" to you, your comments certainly sound impertinent to everyone. kashmiri TALK 00:37, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Saying I disagree with an argument and that demanding private information from a person is rude is not the same thing as saying you have no right to an opinion. I agree name calling is not called for but it is entirely appropriate to disagree with something. Chillum 01:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
+1 --AmaryllisGardener talk 01:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There was a huge spell in this editor's history in which we have no idea what they did, or who they were. For all we know, they've been banned by ArbCom or the community. An IP isn't even that private; all it reveals is your ISP and the country you live in. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about with disclosing your IP in something as important as a RfA. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • First off this user was willing to give the IPs to a trusted person but not the public. That says to me that the motive was privacy and not an attempt to hide something. The idea of assuming edits are bad because you cannot see them is a perfect example of assuming bad faith. There are legitimate uses for alternate accounts and privacy concerns are one of them, for all you knew he might have been editing an area that might have been controversial in his area of employment or his family. There is a reason people have the right to privacy and anonymity.

    This is a fine example of fearing the unknown and assuming the worst about a person. There is plenty of contribution history to base a decision off of and if you found what was documented lacking then that would be a valid reason to oppose. It is like saying "If you don't show me what is in your pockets I have to assume it is something bad". The refusal to surrender privacy is not an indication of guilt and I find the concept to be at odds with the culture and customs of Wikipedia and the culture and law of both the US(where Wikipedia lives) and Canada(where I live). I criticized the opinion because I found it to be a backward throwback to an earlier form of "prove you are innocent" type of justice. Chillum 17:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The idea that "if you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" is, to me, just flat wrong. There's parallels in the 'real' world, for example the reasons the U.S. has the 5th Amendment. For all we know, he inadvertently revealed more about his persona in his IP editing than he intended, and it was never oversighted. He has a right to privacy. If over a year's worth of editing was not enough data to inform decisions on his adminship, then no amount of data ever would be. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I strongly disagree. We have absolutely NO idea what he did in that time, and over a year's worth of editing isn't enough, as I'm pretty sure that on its own has been a common oppose reason in the past, with people looking for two years plus. I'll put my money where my mouth is - my IP is 134.225.165.231, which has no edits as of right now, and doesn't identify anything about me that I haven't stated publicly in the past. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only way that is valid reasoning is if you completely disregard the concept of assuming good faith. Not being able to see private information is not an indication of guilt, Hammer said it well. You are adopting a guilty until you prove you are innocent standard. Chillum 17:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh and you may want to remove that IP. With it I can see your geographical location, which school you go to and I could setup a port scanner to tell me if you ever open a port. With a bit of Mitnick style social engineering I could get your name. Someone could contact your ISP and say your IP made death threats at the time you were using it, they could even falsify web logs. Not saying I would but anyone who wants to can. Perhaps you don't care about these things but some people do. As an admin I have gotten no less than 5 death threats so it is a pretty big deal. Chillum 18:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I strongly disagree. We had a candidate who has a serious lack of content creation experience (and also spends 50% more of their time on user talk pages than anywhere else), whilst also having an enormous gap in their editing history that they haven't even come close to explaining properly. RfA is supposed to be a process where people are carefully vetted, and they have to prove that they either have no skeletons in the closet, or how they have moved on since then - and frankly, I see no evidence of either. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, but the fact remains that he got his lifetime post, so there's nothing more to be said about it. The fact that his supporters were over-the-top in arrogance is beside the point; the whole thing is a waste of time at present. I'm unwatching this page. Coretheapple (talk) 17:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chillum: Unfortunately, you won't be able to gain much from using a port scanner on @Lukeno94's IP, you won't also be able to reach @Lukeno94's computer. I suggest you check where does this IP belong to before making empty claims. kashmiri TALK 21:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you have missed the point entirely. If Luke does not mind having people know his location and school and he is behind a nice firewall then it is all well and good for him to release this information. The point is that other users might be concerned about the release of such information and they might not be behind a 3rd party firewall. The idea that an IP is not sensitive information is simply ignorant of the facts. Chillum 21:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you reason for oppose was that there was a large gap in their history or a lack of contributions or that their was evidence of skeletons in their closet or lack of reform I would not complain.

I am criticizing the idea of demanding private information and opposing based on the refusal of that unreasonable request. It is a rude invasion of privacy and a prove you are innocent or I will assume you are guilty tactic. Chillum 17:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you read my oppose, the gap in the editing history was only one part of it. And it is not an unreasonable request, because the myth about IPs being particularly private is just that. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you are basing your position on the assumption that IPs are not private then I really cannot continue this debate. Such an assertion flies in the face of decades of computer security and privacy practice going well beyond Wikipedia. I have worked in the computer security industry for over 10 years and I can tell you that IPs are considered private information by every major company.

    Why do you think people use cloaks on IRC? It is because it gives up geographical information about the person among other security concerns. Chillum 17:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Concur with Chillum. IPs are private data. There's a reason checkuser is restricted to a very small set of users, and a reason we grant oversight when editors accidentally edit while not logged in. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:57, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Concur with Chillum and Hammersoft. Checkuser is very limited, to the point to where you have to identify yourself in order to have the right. The argument "well if they don't want to give it up, then that's fine, but don't ask for adminship if you're not willing to give the info" is IMO judgmental. Are editors using IPs supposed to think ahead and be concerned that in the future they might not get admin rights because they don't want their location (regardless of how specific) being revealed? SMH --AmaryllisGardener talk 18:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If they're not going to provide adequate explanations for what they've been up to in the last 7 years, then they shouldn't be running for adminship period. This is not a short Wikibreak that is in question here. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Saying that you oppose due to a gap in the history is one thing, in this case I would not agree however I would find it to be a reasonable position to take.

    However those saying they oppose because he will not give up personal information are simply engaging in unethical behavior in my opinion. This is the last I have to say on the matter here, I am happy to discuss it on my talk page if anyone is interested. Chillum 18:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This RfA closed as successful a couple of days ago and time will tell whether the community's support for the candidate was well-placed or not. I'm not sure that continuing to argue about the merits of the opposes is a good use of anyone's time. I will opine that the candidate cannot reasonably be held responsible for anything that anyone supporting him might say. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The RFA actually closed 23 hours ago. Regardless, further discussion here will not affect the outcome. Many of us know that RFA in general is a flawed process, but that is a topic best discussed on a general page, not on this specific RFA. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And this talk page...[edit]

...Sort of represents why many editors are afraid to go through an RFA. I mean seriously, this editor's (now administrator) RFA ended over a day ago, yet the oppose section's votes are still being discussed. Steel1943 (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

+1, perfect example of RfA's community problems. --AmaryllisGardener talk 22:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The RfA is closed, Jack is now an admin, and yet, the battle continues to rage... (Sorry, couldn't resist.) --Biblioworm 22:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Once accusations of badgering came out towards those who spoke in disagreement with the opposes I intentionally waited until it was over to make further comments. People complain when we talk about it during the RfA, then they complain when we talk about it after. At which point are supposed to voice our disagreement?
At AfD people are welcome to disagree with each other without accusations of badgering. When someone makes an opinion that I think is poor I can point that out. Perhaps we can be more like that at RfA. Chillum 23:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've never agreed with the concept of "badgering", because I believe that a person should be prepared to defend the opinions that s/he voices. What is humorous (so to speak) about the discussion above is that it turned into a long, repetitive debate that really didn't end up getting anywhere. However, that's how a good deal of discussions here turn out, so I suppose it's really nothing new. --Biblioworm 00:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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