Talk:aber
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Searching for "abered" turns up only scannos and misspellings (pronunciation respellings?) of "averred" or "abhorred". "To aber the" turns up nothing. "Abering" is only a proper name an a typo of "bearing". "Aberring" seems to only occur as the past tense of "aberr". "(is|was|are|were) aber", an effort to find the adjective, only returns hits mentioning the German word aber. - -sche (discuss) 20:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- I can't even find mentions. Why aren't there at least references? Are these some kind of forward reconstruction? Or are they hoaxes? How many like these are there? DCDuring TALK 23:33, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- In effect, they are forward reconstructions, yes. In some cases, they are attested in Scots or Middle English — in those cases, I sometimes just correct the L2 header, as here, because a couple of RFV discussions have established that the reason they were entered as English is that the OED and several other dictionaries don't distinguish either Scots or Middle English from English. The same dictionaries are also often satisfied by 1 use or mention, whereas we demand 3 uses.
Using various techniques, I compiled a list of ~750 suspect words, and I suspect that's only half the true number. I intend to check the attestation of them and RFV the ones that I can't find English (or, with a changed header, Scots) attestations for, but only a few at a time so as not to overwhelm WT:RFV. Anyone who wants to help cite the words on that list (or RFV words for which no citations are findable) is welcome to. - -sche (discuss) 02:53, 6 July 2015 (UTC)- This is a Scottish/Scots word, and a dialectal one at that within Scots, so finding this on Google Books is not going to be easy Leasnam (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Do you have a reference for it? DCDuring TALK 04:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Absolutely. http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/aber Leasnam (talk) 04:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Given the closeness of our entry to theirs, the absence of additional corroboration or attestation, and their copyright terms, I think may be in trouble. DCDuring TALK 04:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Absolutely. http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/aber Leasnam (talk) 04:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- Do you have a reference for it? DCDuring TALK 04:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is a Scottish/Scots word, and a dialectal one at that within Scots, so finding this on Google Books is not going to be easy Leasnam (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- In effect, they are forward reconstructions, yes. In some cases, they are attested in Scots or Middle English — in those cases, I sometimes just correct the L2 header, as here, because a couple of RFV discussions have established that the reason they were entered as English is that the OED and several other dictionaries don't distinguish either Scots or Middle English from English. The same dictionaries are also often satisfied by 1 use or mention, whereas we demand 3 uses.
- RFV-failed. I didn't convert the entry to Scots because (1) concerns were expressed above that the entry was a copyvio, and (2) I couldn't find evidence that the word is actually attested in Scots; even searches like google books:"an aber" "nae" turn up only German. - -sche (discuss) 18:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)